CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[asyousay]

Mark has had opportunity's to put Dylan first and yet hides at home . All he ever has is excuses and if innocent then step up for your sons sake ...be a man !!!

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

So getting together and talking might not make a difference but a polygraph would? I wonder if someone told her that Mark could pass a polygraph and still be responsible for Dylan's disappearance would she still move on? MOO.

Possibly it would for her and Cory, as she would then know he at least did as much as she did, i.e.took one, passed one and said so.

 

[NC Analyzer]

In my opinion if Mark got the money to hire one or all of the professionals that you listed in your previous post they would not be able to rehabilitate his image to the majority of the people who are following this case. No matter what he's says people will not believe him. MOO.

Again, and please understand my intention, I never once said he needed a "team" of professionals.
We were discussing how he could cope with the negative public perception that has plagued him from the early part of this investigation. I was merely pointing out that if this whole thing is so overwhelming to him, that maybe he should have someone else handle it for him. It could be a professional. It could also be a friend or family member.
My only reference to other professionals was to demonstrate that all of us hire professionals to do the things we, ourselves cannot do, such as a doctor, lawyer, media spokesperson, etc. Never once have I said he needed more than one individual. Never once have I said he had to pay someone, despite the fact that it is obvious he has the ability to pay someone.
I do believe these are all excuses and I'm not one to make excuses for a man who refuses to put a single thought into how to resolve the problem. Either he is stupid and can't figure out how to resolve it, or he's very conniving.

JMO and MOO

 

[TxJan1971]

Sharing ....

Marc Klaas' comments on Nancy Grace with re: to Kyron Horman case:

NANCY GRACE:

To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. His own daughter, Polly, went missing, and since her death, he has devoted his life to finding missing people, specifically missing children. Marc Klaas, I`ve never known ever of police telling parents, Don`t talk, don`t talk to the media. Normally, they`re saying, Make a plea. Let the kidnapper hear you. Make the public interested in your child. Make them care. Make them look. Tell them the story. Tell them where you were that day. So maybe, maybe they saw your car. Maybe they saw your child. Anything! Put it out there! Am I crazy?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:

Well, no, of course you`re not crazy, Nancy. Prior to Polly`s abduction, in fact, that was what they told people. They told people to sit by the phone, wait for a -- wait for the ransom call to come in. They told people that reporters were not their friends, that they were their enemies, and the best thing to do was to step back.

I believe we started to change all that with Polly because, quite frankly, a television reporter came up to me and said, I want an interview. I said, No, I`m not going to do any interviews. I don`t want to be the next crying parent on TV for people`s entertainment. She said, I can get more publicity for your child with 10 seconds on the evening news than you can get by nailing flyers on telephone poles for the next 100 years. And that changed everything for me. I understood exactly what she meant.

I have never turned down an interview since then, much to the consternation of many people, I`m sure. But there`s no better advocate for a missing child than a family member out there talking about them, humanizing them, asking people to come out and help find them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html

 

[cluciano63]

He is answering specific questions the reporters are asking. If a reporter asks, "So, what do YOU think of this protest?" "What are YOU doing to help in the search?" Why is YOUR son having to stage a protest?" How else is he supposed to answer those questions without mentioning himself? The reporters print what they want and what sells papers. JMO

Cory and his mom are creating opportunities to talk, to make sure what they want to say gets out there, not waiting for media to come ask them specific questions. He could do the same.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

However Cory learned about his dad's LD test, I believe he is telling the truth as he knows it. And since MR will not talk about it, we only have Cory's version, easy enough for MR to dispute if untrue, i.e that he did in fact pass and that no one wants him to take another one.

I have never heard of anyone reluctant to discuss result of their own LD test if they passed, it goes against human nature, IMO.

So when LE said that they wont discuss who took polygraphs and any results they were only referring to the media? They told the subjects of the test how they did? If they did tell the subject a result, maybe it was a lie to put some pressure on them. LE is known to use that tactic. MOO.

 

[TxJan1971]

From that same NG show, an interesting response from an expert polygrapher:

GRACE:

Now, explain to me how you`re fitting that together because no one was telling us whether she had taken the second polygraph or not. But I know this much. And you can back me up on this, Mark Smith, joining us out of New York -- he`s a polygraph expert, VP of New Jersey Polygraphists.

Mark, police don`t want a second polygraph if you pass the first one with flying colors. I mean, there`s no police manual or procedure that says that, but in my experience with police, once you pass the first polygraph with flying colors, they don`t drag you back down to the station for a second poly. Would you agree with that analysis?

MARK SMITH, POLYGRAPH EXPERT:

Typically, that`s true. Something may have come up, new information after the first polygraph, and they want to follow up on that.

GRACE: Well, in my mind, Mark, you`re right. That`s looking at it extremely optimistically.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html


So maybe they just need more information from MR .....

 

[SCHMAE]

He is answering specific questions the reporters are asking. If a reporter asks, "So, what do YOU think of this protest?" "What are YOU doing to help in the search?" Why is YOUR son having to stage a protest?" How else is he supposed to answer those questions without mentioning himself? The reporters print what they want and what sells papers. JMO

It would be interesting to know if the reporters had an unanswered questions OR if MR gave a list of 'off limits ' questions prior to agreeing to be interviewed.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Possibly it would for her and Cory, as she would then know he at least did as much as she did, i.e.took one, passed one and said so.

You know, I'm not even that focused on the poly. Take it/don't take it. It means more to LE than it would to the rest of us. It's merely a tool. If he is avoiding taking a second test, the tool worked as far as LE is concerned because they have the answer to the question.

The biggest single thing that would take the heat off MR is if he sat down with ER (alone or with a mediator) and answered her questions. If he could do that and has plausible scenarios that would correspond to her knowledge of Dylan and his habit patterns, I am sure she would be greatly relieved and, in turn, would make an effort to change the perception of his actions. I do not understand why anyone would think this woman would continue to cast the shadows of doubt toward this man without having reason. Ridiculous.

JMO and MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

Sharing ....

Marc Klaas' comments on Nancy Grace with re: to Kyron Horman case:

NANCY GRACE:

To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. His own daughter, Polly, went missing, and since her death, he has devoted his life to finding missing people, specifically missing children. Marc Klaas, I`ve never known ever of police telling parents, Don`t talk, don`t talk to the media. Normally, they`re saying, Make a plea. Let the kidnapper hear you. Make the public interested in your child. Make them care. Make them look. Tell them the story. Tell them where you were that day. So maybe, maybe they saw your car. Maybe they saw your child. Anything! Put it out there! Am I crazy?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:

Well, no, of course you`re not crazy, Nancy. Prior to Polly`s abduction, in fact, that was what they told people. They told people to sit by the phone, wait for a -- wait for the ransom call to come in. They told people that reporters were not their friends, that they were their enemies, and the best thing to do was to step back.

I believe we started to change all that with Polly because, quite frankly, a television reporter came up to me and said, I want an interview. I said, No, I`m not going to do any interviews. I don`t want to be the next crying parent on TV for people`s entertainment. She said, I can get more publicity for your child with 10 seconds on the evening news than you can get by nailing flyers on telephone poles for the next 100 years. And that changed everything for me. I understood exactly what she meant.

I have never turned down an interview since then, much to the consternation of many people, I`m sure. But there`s no better advocate for a missing child than a family member out there talking about them, humanizing them, asking people to come out and help find them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html

Thanks sweetie! I have missed seeing you around here. Mark Klaas is a very wise man and both parents would do well to reach out to him and ask for his help. They've became members of a club that the rest of us pray we are never inducted in to and MK has became a hero for helping new members navigate the hell that has became their life.

 

[cluciano63]

So when LE said that they wont discuss who took polygraphs and any results they were only referring to the media? They told the subjects of the test how they did? If they did tell the subject a result, maybe it was a lie to put some pressure on them. LE is known to use that tactic. MOO.

I only know from my own experience,where I was told by LE at once that I passed, and various other cases through the years where LE has sometimes addressed passed polygraphs.

 

[DylansMom34]

I wonder how an initial lie detector test administered by a local law enforcement agency would compare with a second lie detector test administered by the FBI.

 

[mijamawi]

Cory and his mom are creating opportunities to talk, to make sure what they want to say gets out there, not waiting for media to come ask them specific questions. He could do the same.

Yes and even their efforts of late have been all about MR. Why do you think this case has 29 threads so far with very little national attention? Because it's high drama and people love a good drama. It's a Jerry Springer trainwreck on steroids.

 

[mijamawi]

It would be interesting to know if the reporters had an unanswered questions OR if MR gave a list of 'off limits ' questions prior to agreeing to be interviewed.

That would be interesting to know. Would love to know the full "uncut" interview. Of course we know uncut doesn't necessarily mean uncut.

I wonder how an initial lie detector test administered by a local law enforcement agency would compare with a second lie detector test administered by the FBI.

I'd be curious to know that as well. Maybe a more experienced lie detector giver? lol

 

[katydid23]

He's cooperating fully with LE - that is what he is doing. Perhaps he knows that the best chance of finding his son isn't going on TV every chance he gets and making veiled accusations and throwing everybody off, and instead recognizes that it is LE, and not bake sales and car washes, that will eventually solve this case.

People handle grief and tragedy very differently.

I would not say that he is 'fully' cooperating with LE. According to Cory, LE wants MR to retake his polygraph and he is refusing. That right there makes me very suspicious. JMO

ETA:
If I were the last person seen with my missing child I would want to be cleared so that LE could focus on other scenarios. Taking a poly is one important opportunity available to make that happen.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I only know from my own experience,where I was told by LE at once that I passed, and various other cases through the years where LE has sometimes addressed passed polygraphs.

Was your polygraph in a criminal case? I'm sure that there has been cases where LE has made public the results of polygraphs. But during an investigation I think that it's possible for LE to tell a subject that they failed when they actually passed. MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

Was your polygraph in a criminal case? I'm sure that there has been cases where LE has made public the results of polygraphs. But during an investigation I think that it's possible for LE to tell a subject that they failed when they actually passed. MOO.

Yes, it was a matter of a large amount of missing money.

 

[marlywings]

Folks I think some of you may need to take some time out...& read the rules again on first page!!

 

[Dee10]

My guess would be 3 :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Dixie811]

I think we had a poster on here who had to take a LDT (not for a criminal matter)... but she stated that she was never told the results.

^^I'm not making any inferences about MR or this case based on that. But I don't know that we can make a blanket statement that MR or others would be told the results of his LDT. Actually, someone (why do I never remember any poster's names?) just mentioned above that it could be a LE tactic to tell the subject of a LDT that they did not pass. IMO, that would be brilliant when trying to get info from a POI.

But, truthfully none of us here know the details of this LDT business with MR. Please don't think that by my questioning how factual or rumor it is that MR has refused a second poly for weeks on end now that I am insinuating Cory must be lying. I think Cory whole-heartedly believes everything he puts onto FB or in the media & that he just wants to find his brother. I'm sure most if not all of it is the truth. But because there is so much passion involved and a lack of communication between parties, sometimes I wonder where certain information has come from. That's all. =)

:moo: