CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Dixie811]

I think it follows from common sense. LE admitted that the parents were both given poly's at the start. ER said she passed hers.

I believe that MR would have leaked that news as well, IF he had passed.

CR has been publicly calling his father out for not agreeing to take another test. If CR was lying or mistaken, why wouldn't MR CORRECT HIM publicly?

I don't think it is rumor. I believe that MR would correct the rumor if it was false. JMO

It is my impression that MR does not care to insult himself by defending himself to his own son via the media.

That being said, I hope he is attempting to do so privately-- speaking to Cory about Cory's obvious concerns. Though it doesn't sound like this is happening. IF it is, I am of the opinion that anything MR said would be a "lie" etc etc. to Cory like some have said (no matter what he said or how true it was).

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Two different points .
A ) in the baby lisa case, her parents and their lawyer were constantly harping on how much they were cooperating with LE,, doing 'everything ' le asks of them, etc etc. But from
LE , quite a different story. They were very difficult and dodgy about getting them to give separate interviews and thats' the main thing LE wanted and at this point, I believe they still have not given the separate interviews. Over a year later, no baby Lisa and still I'm sure her parents claim they've bent over backwards to do what LE asks.

B ) I think we should pay very close attention to the actual language of ER and CR . ER said she didnt' think MR would ' hurt' DR , right? But she feels he knows something, right? CR said ( paraphrasing ) something like I think he's involved or he had a hand in it or a part in it. So this leads me to believe ER and CR are more of the opinion MR has hidden Dylan and not hurt / killed him. That is likely due to him hiding them in the past, which I really wish we knew more details of. Point is, if you listen to their words, it does not seem they think Dylan has passed. Could this be strictly from holding out hope until the last second?
Thoughts ??

In regards to your (A) point I think that you have a couple of things out of context but this is not the right forum to discuss that case.

As for (B) I see nothing wrong with Elaine and Cory believing that Dylan is alive because there's no evidence that he's dead at this point. MOO.

 

[Dixie811]

I don't recall the following being changed since early December. If anyone has a report which states it has could you please post it??

BBM

12/01/2012

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, was interviewed at length Thursday night by investigators. He did not ask for an attorney and is not considered a suspect or person of interest in the case, officials said.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...or-help-from-public-in-criminal-investigation

^^ katydid23... I think they are referring to the above.

 

[mijamawi]

BBM

When did he make those agreements?

The interview was around the time they searched the house/vehicles. I'll go find the link.

 

[katydid23]

It is my impression that MR does not care to insult himself by defending himself to his own son via the media.

That being said, I hope he is attempting to do so privately-- speaking to Cory about Cory's obvious concerns. Though it doesn't sound like this is happening. IF it is, I am of the opinion that anything MR said would be a "lie" etc etc. to Cory like some have said (no matter what he said or how true it was).

MR has already done a lot of public defending of himself. Most of his interviews consist of him playing the victim and talking about himself in a defensive stance and trying to paint a better picture. JMO

 

[Dixie811]

MR has already done a lot of public defending of himself. Most of his interviews consist of him playing the victim and talking about himself in a defensive stance and trying to paint a better picture. JMO

I guess it's a matter of opinion. He has definitely made some statements in interviews that defend his actions. But for the most part, I don't see him actively seeking out the media to discuss the rumors/accusations about him.

Don't want to argue.. we can agree to disagree. :seeya:

 

[katydid23]

The interview was around the time they searched the house/vehicles. I'll go find the link.

But since that time, which was a while ago, his son has asked that he agree to take a new poly. I wonder why he is not agreeing to do so.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, LE is acting as though MR is an unnamed Poi by not talking to the community about anyone they may have seen that day, anyone who acted in an unusual manner, or called in sick, etc. & by their implications this week that their latest timeline came via evidence back from forensics, and by not finding some choice of words to let CR and ER know in some subtle that they were probably on the wrong track with their need to protest/rally/gather. In fact, they did nothing to move suspicion way from MR or to imply they still suspected a random abduction.

These are my opinions, based on my conclusions of how LE is behaving. Even if I am right, it does not mean that LE is correct in focusing on MR, but I do think that they are.

 

[scorekeeper]

I hope Mark calls his attorney tomorrow and receives some names/phone numbers of mediators he can contact. Hopefully, the meeting with the mediator, Mark and Elaine can happen within the next week or so.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I disagree. Elaine's questions will be much more specific. What time did you arrive home. What did Dylan do when he first got home? Did she shower? Did he unpack? Did he change out of his dirty clothes? What did he sleep in that night? Did ya'all watch tv? What did you watch? Where was his cell? Did he make anymore calls/ Did he use the computer? Did he have any snacks when he got home?

So she's going to try some kind of memory test to see if he can remember all of the most minute details? I assume she would have to compare his later statements against what he initially gave LE.

Would they give her access to that? If he gets something wrong does that mean he has a faulty memory or that he's lying?

I would guess that Elaine would believe that he's lying. MOO.

 

[mijamawi]

BBM

When did he make those agreements?

Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case – made up of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshal’s Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation – after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.


Redwine has given several cursory interviews in the past, but this was the first in-depth interview he has given, Shupe said.


No attorney was present for the interview, and Shupe said Redwine has not retained an attorney.


Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or person of interest, Shupe said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/Search-ends-at-teen’s-father’s-house

 

[katydid23]

I guess it's a matter of opinion. He has definitely made some statements in interviews that defend his actions. But for the most part, I don't see him actively seeking out the media to discuss the rumors/accusations about him.

Don't want to argue.. we can agree to disagree. :seeya:

I agree. I don't want to argue. I am just trying to express my take on things.

In this specific instance, Cory called out his dad and said he was going to stand out front of his home until he got certain questions answered, including the new polygraph.

So MR answers the phone and agrees to make a short statement to the press about the upcoming protest at his home. He found time to say that he was not going to be there because he was being unfairly targeted, which is understandable.

But wouldn't that be the PERFECT time to say that he did pass the poly or that he did have plans to retake one?

 

[SCHMAE]

Here's my take on a future meeting between Mark and Elaine where she gets to ask some questions.

Lets say that Mark is innocent.

Elaine: Where is Dylan and what did you do to him?
Mark: I don't know where he is and I didn't do anything to him.

Why should Elaine believe him? Situation unchanged.

Lets say Mark is guilty.

Elaine: Where is Dylan and what did you do to him?
Mark: I don't know where he is and I didn't do anything to him.

Why should Elaine believe him. Situation unchanged.

He may realize this and that has made him reluctant to meet with Elaine.

I tend to agree with you in part. But I think if you're married to someone for 10 or 15 years or a pretty long time, that if you could see them face to face, you could tell a lot by their mannerisms. I think if they sat down that ER might leave there feeling like ' ok he 's told me the truth ' just because of their history together. That would bring her some peace and then they could decide what to do going forward.

 

[katydid23]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/Search-ends-at-teen’s-father’s-house

Oh, I thought you meant that he agreed to take a polygraph.

Cory wants his dad to answer questions about what happened right before DR went missing. Apparently MR will not discuss it with CR or ER. I think he owes them that discussion.

 

[SCHMAE]

In regards to your (A) point I think that you have a couple of things out of context but this is not the right forum to discuss that case.

As for (B) I see nothing wrong with Elaine and Cory believing that Dylan is alive because there's no evidence that he's dead at this point. MOO.

I could be mistaken.I did not follow Lisa's case as closely as this one. But I do recall her claiming she was cooperating fully with LE at the same time LE was begging to do one interview with each parent individually, which the parents refused. I understand this isn't that forum, but mentioned it because of whether or not MR is cooperating with LE fully may be in the eye of the beholder. MOO

 

[mijamawi]

While looking at the past news from this case on the Durango Herald, I totally forgot about this. Crazy huh?

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121213/NEWS01/121219799/-1/taxonomy/Unauthorized-Dylan-Facebook-page-removed--

 

[Angelonline]

Okay I have been making dinner and did not realize I was still logged in on the thread. Back to reading.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I tend to agree with you in part. But I think if you're married to someone for 10 or 15 years or a pretty long time, that if you could see them face to face, you could tell a lot by their mannerisms. I think if they sat down that ER might leave there feeling like ' ok he 's told me the truth ' just because of their history together. That would bring her some peace and then they could decide what to do going forward.

I would tend to agree with you if Elaine was more neutral in her comments about Mark. She seems to believe that he has something to do with Dylan's disappearance and I feel that opinion will sway her in that direction if and when they talk. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

So she's going to try some kind of memory test to see if he can remember all of the most minute details? I assume she would have to compare his later statements against what he initially gave LE.

Would they give her access to that? If he gets something wrong does that mean he has a faulty memory or that he's lying?

I would guess that Elaine would believe that he's lying. MOO.

I would think she wants to assess the story AND she wants to try and figure out exactly what was going on with her missing son. Was he upset, did he run off, did he go fishing, what was he thinking and feeling?

I would want to know all of those things.

My good friends 15 yr old DD ran away for 3 weeks. She left a brief note, but we still had a lot of questions. Mom was very worried about her and we questioned all of her friends. And YES, mom wanted the tiniest details so she could assess the situation. Her best friend had breakfast with her the day she left. My friend wanted to know exactly what she ordered, if she ate or not. Was she hungry or was she anxious?> It wasn't about testing anyones memory, it was about assessing her daughters mood and situation at the time. It turns out that she ordered a big breakfast, but never ate more than a bite or two.[ which confirmed my friends fears that her DD was feeling manic when she left.]

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I would think she wants to assess the story AND she wants to try and figure out exactly what was going on with her missing son. Was he upset, did he run off, did he go fishing, what was he thinking and feeling?

I would want to know all of those things.

My good friends 15 yr old DD ran away for 3 weeks. She left a brief note, but we still had a lot of questions. Mom was very worried about her and we questioned all of her friends. And YES, mom wanted the tiniest details so she could assess the situation. Her best friend had breakfast with her the day she left. My friend wanted to know exactly what she ordered, if she ate or not. Was she hungry or was she anxious?> It wasn't about testing anyones memory, it was about assessing her daughters mood and situation at the time. It turns out that she ordered a big breakfast, but never ate more than a bite or two.[ which confirmed my friends fears that her DD was feeling manic when she left.]

All of these things that you mention seem reasonable. But I got the impression that Elaine and Cory want more answers than that. Maybe I'm wrong. MOO.