CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Dixie811]

OK - found this:

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cell phone service.
When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.

Mark became alarmed and drove the 20 miles to Bayfield. Dylan's friends there hadn't seen him either. Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshal's Office.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

The important thing to note is that it says: "That friend hadn't seen him". To me, that implies that perhaps that friend wasn't expecting him.

Otherwise, I would have expected MR to say that the friend said: "He never showed up". Not that any of this really matters. I'm just curious because even if they never talked (DR & Vallecito friend), who knows, depending on where that boy(s) lived, maybe DR took off on his own to just show up there to kill time. That's why I really wanted to know where that individual(s) lived, how far in relation to MR's home, and what was around the area!

Vallecito is really small, right? Is it the area of the town that is small, or just that there are not many people?

 

[asyousay]

What I can't get past is as has been stated many times there was at least 20 hours before DR was reported missing. So why would MR just simply say I came home and he was gone. Why if he did something would he not create a crime scene? He could have easily done this. jmo

Did he not, :cow: the tv left on , the bowl and the settee where Dylan was meant to have slept. All stuff pointing to Dylan being there when he actually probably was not .

 

[CarolynV]

I still think the reason why he does not want to sit down with Elaine and have a face to face meeting is she was married to the man and will know if he is being evasive or lying to her .

I agree. Same reason he didn't call her to tell her Dylan was missing and texted her instead.

 

[TxJan1971]

Vallecito is really small, right? Is it the area of the town that is small, or just that there are not many people?

I really don't know, to be honest. Anyone local know?

 

[TxJan1971]

What I can't get past is as has been stated many times there was at least 20 hours before DR was reported missing. So why would MR just simply say I came home and he was gone. Why if he did something would he not create a crime scene? He could have easily done this. jmo

I think I understand what you're asking but I think I stayed up too late last night and am foggy. :blushing:

I'm seeing you question as why would MR NOT create a crime scene?

I'm thinking: Why would he even try to create a crime scene which could only possibly implicate himself (if he messed up). I would think he'd be better off just saying I came home he was gone - I dunno what the heck happened! Where is he? and let others figure out if there even was a crime scene.

Not sure if that just made sense. BRB after coffee.

Is that what you're asking?

 

[Confusion]

As I've said before, I have about 1001 different theories/hypotheses in my head, and some do involve MR. I just don't see him being as stupid as people make him out to be. If DR was never at the house, there's really no reason to wait until the next afternoon to report him missing. He could have used any number of excuses for him being gone that would sound more believable than what he has said. My feeling is that if it's not the truth, why pick such an unlikely scenario?

IF MR was involved, I think it's much more likely that something happened on Monday morning. The most likely case involving him (in my mind) is that he got DR up in the morning as planned. DR ate cereal and watched tv while MR was getting ready to go. They leave, expecting to be at the friend's house about 6:30 but get into an argument about whether he'll be spending the night there or going back with his father later in the day. Whatever happened (DR opens the door to pretend he's going to jump and falls, MR grabs for him and knocks him out of the truck instead, DR jumps, or MR just hits him and does more damage than expected.) MR finds a place to leave him (in the reservoir if close to there, or somewhere along the way), and goes to Durango for his appointments. Because he had an extra hour or so that morning, he could probably still make it on time, or close enough to avoid suspicion. He can then go home and clean himself up if he needs to, and make sure there's no evidence in the truck.

I don't necessarily believe that's what happened, but for me it explains the lack of communication (if he fell asleep early, and thought he was on his way early in the morning). I'm still not focusing my attention on MR without some evidence against him, but I just wanted to throw something differnt in the mix.

 

[asyousay]

I think the easier the lie the easier it is to remember it. If you try and get to smart and complicated then you are bound to trip up.

So Mark has kept the story simple. Like the first night when originally he said Dylan was tired and just crashed. Its easy and simple to remember :cow:

 

[Salem]

But anything tangible like DNA would not of been taken in the first search which is stupid IMO. The Bowl , tv remote and anything that Dylan was meant to have touched should of been taken even as a precautionary measure :cow:

Understood. And I'm not saying that LE did a thorough job, just clarifying that 10 days didn't pass before LE had a look at the inside of that home. LE, generally speaking and according to tv programs is very observant. When they did the initial "search," imo, they would have seen anything out of place, anything would have raised their hinky meter, so to speak. Anything that might have tipped them off to the need for a warrant and a thorough search. Just what I think.

It's like the persistent "nothing of Dylan's left in the house." We have MSM that contradicts that. Some clothing was left behind. So the "nothing" is a rumor that has taken hold and is inaccurate, but continues to be repeated over and over.

Salem

 

[asyousay]

Understood. And I'm not saying that LE did a thorough job, just clarifying that 10 days didn't pass before LE had a look at the inside of that home. LE, generally speaking and according to tv programs is very observant. When they did the initial "search," imo, they would have seen anything out of place, anything would have raised their hinky meter, so to speak. Anything that might have tipped them off to the need for a warrant and a thorough search. Just what I think.

It's like the persistent "nothing of Dylan's left in the house." We have MSM that contradicts that. Some clothing was left behind. So the "nothing" is a rumor that has taken hold and is inaccurate, but continues to be repeated over and over.

Salem

I know when i post i mention it and i am sure other's do on here but i know there was a pair of sweat pants left behind. I am never quite convinced tho that Mark did not swipe them from the rucksack and even the Ipod which i think would of been on Dylan's person or at the top of his bag . IMHO

 

[TxJan1971]

This reminds me of the many times I was called to serve on a jury. You go in and first hear the "background information" on the case. Based on just the background information alone, every single juror admitted that they had formed a preliminary "opinion" as to what their gut instinct told them before even hearing from witnesses, etc. (No one admitted this until final deliberations, though). In final deliberations, and when a question was posed as to how folks felt initially before hearing anything, it was usually like 60/40 or 50/50 and only once was it 80/20.

However, as witnesses and evidence and FACTS were presented during the course of the trial, every single one of us admitted that we had reconsidered our initial gut reaction based on "the next piece of evidence" or "a witness statement." For some, the change in perception took just one witness to corroborate their initial thoughts, for others, it took 10. There were a few who never wavered from their initial gut reaction despite the evidence/facts presented; however, after deliberating and re-reading the judge’s instructions, and re-examining and discussing actual statements, witnesses believability, and physical evidence, there wasn't one case that was hung, and it usually was only 1-2 people holding out until the end. It was truly a group effort and a group process. We would not leave the jury room until everyone agreed that they were not forced into changing their opinion and they freely agreed on their final decision.

That's just my take on it, so even though I may have an initial impression regarding this case, and even though I don't have all the evidence/facts, it does not mean that I can't or won't change my opinion after having more information/evidence.

JMO and thought I'd share an actual experience and note that reactions/opinions in here seem to be as varied and normal as what actually occurs on a real jury.

 

[Lordeebee]

I think the easier the lie the easier it is to remember it. If you try and get to smart and complicated then you are bound to trip up.

So Mark has kept the story simple. Like the first night when originally he said Dylan was tired and just crashed. Its easy and simple to remember :cow:

I've watched (and listened to) this uncut MR video over and over again:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...lks-about-son-s-disappearance/1d0dri49j?from=

There are unlimited ideosyncrasies to point out, but for starters:
I lost count of the number of times MR says the word "focus".Another biggie imo is how he keeps coming back to how important DR's friends are to him, even when he is NOT asked. It gives the impression that it is something foremost in his mind and is key to the reason DR went missing (ie a fight over "you only want to be with your friends and not your father".) Towards the end he talks about the last time DR came to visit, and goes into a nonsensical account (again not asked for) of the flight DR took and how he and ER disagreed about it.
Also, try turning the sound off, and just watching his nonverbal communication.

 

[TxJan1971]

About the iPod:

We have three different statements about the iPod:

GRACE: OK, so that`s normal. What about the cell phone and the backpack and other belongings?

REDWINE: It was my understanding from his dad that everything Dylan had was in his backpack including his cell phone, his iPod, his iPod charger, his cell phone charger, all of his clothes. So we had to actually make a trip to get some of Dylan`s clothes from where we live in Colorado Springs because it was my understanding there were no clothes at his dad`s house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

and then you have:

"Investigators took an iPod and two vehicles among other items as they searched Mark Redwine’s home yesterday."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/30...es-involvement

AND then

MR told KOAT news that investigators took a pair of Dylan's sweatpants, his Ipod and a Nerf football the two tossed around Sunday night

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvfADjrfpFo&feature=player_embedded"]Dylan's dad talks - YouTube[/ame]

So, did MR tell ER that everything was missing and then the ipod was found later by investigators? Was it Dylan's iPod that investigators took? Was it MR's?

 

[katydid23]

Interesting find...

Monday, December 3, 2012

Both parties took a polygraph early on in the investigation, Shupe said, but authorities cannot release results.

http://durangoherald.com/article/201...no-new-leads--

Yes, interesting. Thank You.

 

[DylansMom34]

Welcome to websleuths Lordeebee.:seeya:

 

[Darcyline]

I have always thought that was a misunderstanding between MR and ER. Depending on how he worded something I can see ER assuming it meant EVERYTHING of MR's was gone when he really didn't mean literally everything. I have seen stranger slight miscommunications happen even in less emotionally charged situations.

 

[TxJan1971]

I've watched (and listened to) this uncut MR video over and over again:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...lks-about-son-s-disappearance/1d0dri49j?from=

There are unlimited ideosyncrasies to point out, but for starters:
I lost count of the number of times MR says the word "focus".Another biggie imo is how he keeps coming back to how important DR's friends are to him, even when he is NOT asked. It gives the impression that it is something foremost in his mind and is key to the reason DR went missing (ie a fight over "you only want to be with your friends and not your father".) Towards the end he talks about the last time DR came to visit, and goes into a nonsensical account (again not asked for) of the flight DR took and how he and ER disagreed about it.
Also, try turning the sound off, and just watching his nonverbal communication.

Great first post! Welcome to WS! Look forward to hearing more of your thoughts/opinions.

:wagon:

 

[deoneta]

I've never understood why MR drove to Bayfield instead of calling the friends. I suppose the explanation could be that he knew where the friend lived, but not the phone number or last names. Was the house he went to R's house? R had said he would be at N's. Did MR know this? Did he visit several homes or get phone numbers from R to check out other friends' homes?

 

[Eileen730]

I think the easier the lie the easier it is to remember it. If you try and get to smart and complicated then you are bound to trip up.

So Mark has kept the story simple. Like the first night when originally he said Dylan was tired and just crashed. Its easy and simple to remember :cow:

ONly thing is lies tend to change and the truth never does.
His story changed! With Lies ppl tend to add to them to make them more believeable with the truth you dont have to and you dont have to try to remember it either.

It went from tired and just crashed to playing nerf football
He was dead asleep then it was changed to he said he understood

Now he is silent!

 

[TxJan1971]

I have always thought that was a misunderstanding between MR and ER. Depending on how he worded something I can see ER assuming it meant EVERYTHING of MR's was gone when he really didn't mean literally everything. I have seen stranger slight miscommunications happen even in less emotionally charged situations.

Agree that this is possible.

Also note that it is only stated by detectives AND MR that they took an iPOD - nothing about taking a charger, too. So was the ipod Charger still in the backpack? Whose iPOD did they take?

 

[cluciano63]

Does anyone have a link about the sweat pants, as far as being confirmed as Dylan's?