CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Tonto]

I am also of the firm and unwavering conviction that LE did investigate other people but what I find most compelling is the fact that LE has NOT done anything to alleviate the public perception and suspicion about MR. LE is not in the publicity game, but they are very aware of the "mood" of this community and the public at large. They are allowing the focus to remain on MR for a reason. You may or may not agree with that, but I can tell you that this is a tactic that is often used. They know what the story is and they are watching it play out...just as everyone else is watching.

JMO and MOO

Please. LE could just as easily be 'allowing' all of this hostility towards MR because they don't have the first clue what happened and aren't ruling out anything or anyone. They're hoping someone cracks, so naturally they aren't going to discourage a witch hunt if it could end up helping them.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Please. LE could just as easily be 'allowing' all of this hostility towards MR because they don't have the first clue what happened and aren't ruling out anything or anyone. They're hoping someone cracks, so naturally they aren't going to discourage a witch hunt if it could end up helping them.

You may choose to call it a witch hunt, and I've seen several media comments where folks have used these exact words, but I think when it comes to LE, one cannot use the same terminology. This is a tactical maneuver. We expect our law enforcement officials to do anything and everything possible, turn over ever stone and rock, look at every detail; and when they don't, look at what gets said about them. I don't think anyone should expect less. No one has violated MR constitutional rights. That is all LE is expected to ensure for it's citizen's. If MR is so darn concerned about any of this, perhaps he should put on his big boy pants and do something. Anything. Whining to the press about his ex-wife and son won't cut it with the majority. This is supposed to be about a missing child, not whether or not "poor" MR has hurt feelings. If he wants the focus to be on Dylan and not himself, perhaps he should STOP talking about himself, his ex and his other son.

JMO and MOO

 

[Seajay]

LE isn't going to tell us anything. I don't know why anyone thinks they would. On a true crime program I was watching last night, a Detective said, "I can make 1000 mistakes, and it won't cost me, all I have to do is wait for my perp to make one." Investigation work is a waiting game of sorts.

In some cases I've been following, LE is sitting back, waiting for another murder to happen. They aren't in the business to stop a murder upfront, to them, that's collateral damage. Their main objective is the catch the perp and get him/her off the street for good. If LE doesn't have the evidence they need, the only way they have a change to gain more evidence is for the perp to commit the crime again. JMO.

 

[Eileen730]

No, it's not the job of someone who is being vilified, harassed, insulted, abused, bullied etc to stop it. Victims are not to blame. I absolutely do not and will not subscribe to that. Not ever.

I spent too many years as an abuse victim blaming myself, thinking I could stop it, begging, pleading, and every other damn thing. I spent too many years crying and in pain. Too many years in agony. Too many years in counseling working hard to stop thinking that way and feeling that way.

No, no, no, no, no, no, and no. Never.

:twocents:

Huh?
Mark has a son missing!
Hes not abused!
but he could very well be responsible!


JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Well said. I guess it's "your guilty until you prove that you're innocent" in this country now. Sad.

Guilty = convicted and locked up

No one is innocent....even after trial. You are either guilty or not guilty of the charges. CA isn't innocent. She was found "not guilty" of the charges.

I don't see MR named a POI/suspect, he hasn't been charged, he isn't on trial and he certainly hasn't been declared "guilty".... unless ??

JMO and MOO

 

[Eileen730]

Well said. I guess it's "your guilty until you prove that you're innocent" in this country now. Sad.

We are not a jury!
We are on a message board talking about a missing child.
Someone did it.

The only name we know is Mark Redwine.

If he was seen with someone else we would be talking about them.

JMO

 

[Tonto]

You may choose to call it a witch hunt, and I've seen several media comments where folks have used these exact words, but I think when it comes to LE, one cannot use the same terminology.

I didn't say LE was on a witch hunt. I said they wouldn't discourage one if they didn't have a clue what happened.

This is a tactical maneuver.

Yes. A tactical maneuver that could just as easily be explained by LE not knowing or suspecting anyone and just looking for a random break. Allowing a witch hunt would be tactical in that regard.

Whining to the press about his ex-wife and son won't cut it with the majority. This is supposed to be about a missing child, not whether or not "poor" MR has hurt feelings. If he wants the focus to be on Dylan and not himself, perhaps he should STOP talking about himself, his ex and his other son.

You mean this should be about Dylan and not constantly whining in the press about one's ex-husband/father and making him the focus, right? Seems his 'poor me' routine came well after the accusations from the other side started slinging around in the press.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Guilty = convicted and locked up

No one is innocent....even after trial. You are either guilty or not guilty of the charges. CA isn't innocent. She was found "not guilty" of the charges.

I don't see MR named a POI/suspect, he hasn't been charged, he isn't on trial and he certainly hasn't been declared "guilty".... unless ??

JMO and MOO

We are not a jury!
We are on a message board talking about a missing child.
Someone did it.

The only name we know is Mark Redwine.

If he was seen with someone else we would be talking about them.

JMO

I'm not talking about a trial because there hasn't been one yet. I'm talking about a certain segment of the public. MOO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My only point was that LE knows how to conduct an investigation.

I often see comments (here and other sites) where folks tend to question what I consider to be fairly obvious matters regarding how, or what, LE should be checking or doing. I realize that it is just my own little idiosyncrasy, and probably results from having been an investigator for many years, but I tend to be compelled to explain this often in an effort to clarify to others that LE personnel really do know how to do their job. :rocker:

At this point in THIS investigation, I'm very confident that any/all people known and even unknown to Dylan that have remotely crossed his path or his parent's path, have been checked out.

I am also of the firm and unwavering conviction that LE did investigate other people but what I find most compelling is the fact that LE has NOT done anything to alleviate the public perception and suspicion about MR. LE is not in the publicity game, but they are very aware of the "mood" of this community and the public at large. They are allowing the focus to remain on MR for a reason. You may or may not agree with that, but I can tell you that this is a tactic that is often used. They know what the story is and they are watching it play out...just as everyone else is watching.

JMO and MOO

Unfortunately LE did the very same thing in the Lunsford, Smart, Greone, Lamar cases to name a few. Never once did they come out to dispell the rumors and false accusations that were burning up the internet. Many families in these same kind of situations were also left to twist in the wind until the suspect was finally caught and that was many months later in the Smart case. So this isnt new.

If fact the only case I can remember in recent history where LE specifically came out a few days later and took the heat off of the parents was in the Jessica Ridgeway case and yes before then accusations was being hurled at the parents possible involvment.

Imo, it seems to be more of the norm for LE to let parents fend for themselves than to come out and dispell rumors made by someone not doing the investigation.

Since only 40 people showed up imo it doesnt seem like the entire community is against MR. In fact I bet most are not.

IMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

I'm not talking about a trial because there hasn't been one yet. I'm talking about a certain segment of the public. MOO.

Fortunately for MR, the public cannot convict and lock him up for their opinion.

We all have opinions. I don't like certain political figures. I read lots of comments about their activities every day that contain hostility, anger, abuse, etc. I don't see any of them crawling away to hide. They are still in office, doing the same darn crap and they don't give a rat's azz about the negative public perceptions of a segment of society. This is life.

JMO and MOO

 

[Eileen730]

I'm not talking about a trial because there hasn't been one yet. I'm talking about a certain segment of the public. MOO.

Well I think its to be expected!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Fortunately for MR, the public cannot convict and lock him up for their opinion.

We all have opinions. I don't like certain political figures. I read lots of comments about their activities every day that contain hostility, anger, abuse, etc. I don't see any of them crawling away to hide. They are still in office, doing the same darn crap and they don't give a rat's azz about the negative public perceptions of a segment of society. This is life.

JMO and MOO

Were they accused of killing their own child in the media by their ex?

imo

 

[NC Analyzer]

Unfortunately LE did the very same thing in the Lunsford, Smart, Greone, Lamar cases to name a few. Never once did they come out to dispell the rumors and false accusations that were burning up the internet. Many families in these same kind of situations were also left to twist in the wind until the suspect was finally caught and that was many months later in the Smart case. So this isnt new.

If fact the only case I can remember in recent history where LE specifically came out a few days later and took the heat off of the parents was in the Jessica Ridgeway case and yes before then accusations was being hurled at the parents possible involvment.

Imo, it seems to be more of the norm for LE to let parents fend for themselves than to come out and dispell rumors made by someone not doing the investigation.

Since only 40 people showed up imo it doesnt seem like the entire community is against MR. In fact I bet most are not.

IMO

Well, there ya go. Just as I pointed out, this is a tactical maneuver. It happens often and it's not a secret.
The difference is, some of those parents you are referring to, DID address it themselves and MR isn't. Perhaps not everyone believed them, but they tried. The cases that have not been resolved and a parent is suspected, rather point to the same type of behavior we are seeing here. Just an observation.

JMO and MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Fortunately for MR, the public cannot convict and lock him up for their opinion.

We all have opinions. I don't like certain political figures. I read lots of comments about their activities every day that contain hostility, anger, abuse, etc. I don't see any of them crawling away to hide. They are still in office, doing the same darn crap and they don't give a rat's azz about the negative public perceptions of a segment of society. This is life.

JMO and MOO

If Mark was a politician I could see your point but he's not.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well I think its to be expected!

Sadly I agree with you. It would be nice if Mark could be treated fairly by the public but I guess that's impossible. MOO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

If Mark was a politician I could see your point but he's not.

Sometimes we choose to be in the public eye, sometimes life choose the public eye for us. Irrelevant. We have to deal with a lot of things in life that we don't like and we didn't choose. If he doesn't know how to handle it, he should seek the assistance of someone to advise and assist him. Like an adult. Like a rational competent adult seeks advice and assistance when it comes to most anything he doesn't know how to handle. Doctors, lawyers, therapists, media consultants/spokesperson, etc. There are people that assist others when they are in a situation that they cannot handle.

JMO and MOO

 

[DylansMom34]

Most importantly.... I wish Dylan had been treated fairly and had been taken care of the way he deserved after he arrived in La Plata County for Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, it appears he wasn't.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sometimes we choose to be in the public eye, sometimes life choose the public eye for us. Irrelevant. We have to deal with a lot of things in life that we don't like and we didn't choose. If he doesn't know how to handle it, he should seek the assistance of someone to advise and assist him. Like an adult. Like a rational competent adult seeks advice and assistance when it comes to most anything he doesn't know how to handle. Doctors, lawyers, therapists, media consultants/spokesperson, etc. There are people that assist others when they are in a situation that they cannot handle.

JMO and MOO

So Mark should hire a team of professionals to help with his public image? Sounds expensive to me.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if LE CAN place Dylan at the house, I do not see a way that they can do so after 9:37pm on Sunday. No way to verify if he awoke there on Monday, and the only clues we know about, i.e. total silence from Dylan, tend to point away from him being there and okay on Monday, if they point anywhere.

I can't think of any way LE can know for sure whether Dylan was even there on Monday morning.

 

[Seajay]

Where is Dylan??? Focus on Dylan. I hope and pray each day he's alive.