CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Deleted member 39678]

I wasn't saying it was fact, I was just supplying the msm link you asked for. Also its hard to quote from my tablet, since you asked for a link that's what I supplied. I wasn't even in that discussion just thought I would be helpful and give you a link.

I apologize for asking for a quote, I didn't realize that your tablet made that difficult.

 

[Dee10]

Mark Redwine said he is becoming concerned for his safety.

He said he spoke with investigators and they recommended that he and Elaine Redwine get a mediator and meet to clear the air. He said he plans to do that through his divorce attorney.


Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/monument-150110-picket-house.html#ixzz2JFH8LAYg

Your link was the 24th

This is dated the 26th

Redwine said that law enforcement even suggested that the Redwines, divorced six years ago, get mediation so they can work together better to find Dylan. So far, he said, Elaine has not accepted.

http://durangoherald.com/article/201...Mark-Redwine--

 

[Angelonline]

I apologize for asking for a quote, I didn't realize that your tablet made that difficult.

Its okay, you had no way of knowing. My laptop's hard drive went out so I'm on an android tablet until I have time to rebuild it.

Edited to add, I guess if I didn't spend so much time on WS when I'm off from work then I could get around to doing that. :floorlaugh:

 

[cluciano63]

To be honest, in such a case, I do not jump to the parent as a rule but my suspicions here arise from two things only; Dylan's communications dropping off the earth, seemingly, at 9:37pm on Sunday, and MR's odd (to me) behavior since.

I am willing to believe that Dylan was not hostile toward his father or vice versa. I am wiling to believe that MR planned no harm to Dylan.

It is just very hard to see innocence in any of his actions or inactions since. Even if he does not seem to spend all of his time working on Dylan's behalf, I won't judge him. Yet-when he does speak, he has tended only to address his own moans and groans about being "picked on" like some pouting child, and very little comes through about the horrors of having a child vanish, possibly murdered, possibly being held by a sex pervert. I do see those concerns in the very faces and eyes of Cory and Elaine. MR comes off as a big baby, concerned only about himself and determined not to allow anyone to force him into anything.

Of course he has "his rights" and I would never take those away (although I would not object to LE having more than usual leeway in the cases of missing children) but in any event, his demeanor is so unlike any I can recall from an innocent parent anguishing over what their child may be enduring, if even alive, it leaves me baffled and feeling kind of a chill.

I do not like comparing cases either, as many others don't, yet I see similarities with the Horman case. and I am not even 100% convinced of TH' s guilt, as most are. I wonder if he gets more leeway for being a man, whereas very few hesitated in accusing TR and believing the very worst about her, from planning to kill her husband to killing Kyron, even though LE has said almost nothing about her status as a POI.

I have no reason to believe that a local pervert might not be the perp, except for my two items mentioned first, which have yet to be explained. Also, I have doubts about Dylan refusing to get up, as I felt he was eager, but I will let that go for now.

Anyway, I am just trying to be fair, but MR makes it very difficult, and in my eyes, he is not making it easy for LE to get past him and move on. I think it is almost too late, if in fact he innocent, as so much time has been lost. My personal belief is that he is not sitting down for more interviews with LE, only a feeling I have, no links. Unless Dylan's body is found and bears clues linking his murder to a specific person, or, of course, he is found alive and can tell the tale, I fear this case will remain unsolved.

 

[katydid23]

It makes me sad to come to the forum and see that our Dylan's thread is no longer on the first page. I have experienced that with Hailey Dunn and Celia Cass already. And it is sad when they go cold. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

[mck16]

It makes me sad to come to the forum and see that our Dylan's thread is no longer on the first page. I have experienced that with Hailey Dunn and Celia Cass already. And it is sad when they go cold. :cry: :cry: :cry:

It is sad because in all likely hood it means that DR is still missing and others have moved to the top of the page. I don't guess it ever ends. jmo

 

[marlywings]

Your link was the 24th

This is dated the 26th

Redwine said that law enforcement even suggested that the Redwines, divorced six years ago, get mediation so they can work together better to find Dylan. So far, he said, Elaine has not accepted.

http://durangoherald.com/article/201...Mark-Redwine--

From the same article...

Redwine said his ex-wife has contacted him using text messages.

“I’ve responded to every text message she’s sent me, but she won’t pick up the phone ... and talk to me,” he said

http://durangoherald.com/article/20130126/NEWS01/130129704/Demonstrators-call-out-Mark-Redwine

 

[Berry]

I'll just address the very last part of your post.

Why didn't LE investigate Mark very quickly by at least doing an "in-depth" interview at the first possible chance?

Gee, I was really and subtely suggesting the same thing.
Exactly, why didn't they?

I appreciate your question because I can now jump off your post and ask...well what did MR tell them to throw them off this emergent need usually followed in missing person investigations....????

IMO he told them some very different info that led them to 'hear' of an teenage type mood/argument and son may have stormed/ran away.....porkies in other words.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Gee, I was really and subtely suggesting the same thing.
Exactly, why didn't they?

I appreciate your question because I can now jump off your post and ask...well what did MR tell them to throw them off this emergent need usually followed in missing person investigations....????

IMO he told them some very different info that led them to 'hear' of an teenage type mood/argument and son may have stormed/ran away.....porkies in other words.

Porkies? What is that? I'm not even going to try and figure out how a suspect can fool LE into not questioning them. Sorry, but in my opinion there is no excuse.

 

[mck16]

Gee, I was really and subtely suggesting the same thing.
Exactly, why didn't they?

I appreciate your question because I can now jump off your post and ask...well what did MR tell them to throw them off this emergent need usually followed in missing person investigations....????

IMO he told them some very different info that led them to 'hear' of an teenage type mood/argument and son may have stormed/ran away.....porkies in other words.

I think MR must be the most diabolical purpatrator ever. He has managed to disappear his 13 year old son. Plant in LE the theory of teenage mood leading to a runaway so as to delay the search leaving no evidense in his home or truck. A cold hard hearted man who would do away with his own son? I can't say anymore because I would surely be put on permanent TO. jmo

 

[Seajay]

Gee, I was really and subtely suggesting the same thing.
Exactly, why didn't they?

I appreciate your question because I can now jump off your post and ask...well what did MR tell them to throw them off this emergent need usually followed in missing person investigations....????

IMO he told them some very different info that led them to 'hear' of an teenage type mood/argument and son may have stormed/ran away.....porkies in other words.

That's not what I got from the first reports when the case first broke, he told LE that he did not think Dylan ran away. It's in one of the first threads.

 

[Seajay]

Porkies? What is that? I'm not even going to try and figure out how a suspect can fool LE into not questioning them. Sorry, but in my opinion there is no excuse.

The only way that could happen is if the law enforcement in that area had just fallen off turnip trucks.

 

[Seajay]

I think MR must be the most diabolical purpatrator ever. He has managed to disappear his 13 year old son. Plant in LE the theory of teenage mood leading to a runaway so as to delay the search leaving no evidense in his home or truck. A cold hard hearted man who would do away with his own son? I can't say anymore because I would surely be put on permanent TO. jmo

Yeh, that's what I think too.

 

[cluciano63]

The only way that could happen is if the law enforcement in that area had just fallen off turnip trucks.

Can you explain why they waited ten days to search the place he was last said to be, in any real way? When they have stated that they begin to think it was a criminal case by day two.

IMO, either they are not being honest about how long they treated him as a runaway, or there is indeed a turnip truck nearby.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There are four main circumstances in which a warrant is not required for police to search your house:

1. Consent. If the person who is in control of the property consents to the search without being coerced or tricked into doing so, a search without a warrant is valid. Note that police do not have to tell you that you have the right to refuse a search, but you do. Also, note that if you have a roommate, he or she can consent to a search of the common areas of your dwelling (kitchen, living room), but not to your private areas (bedroom, for instance). On the other hand, the Supreme Court recently ruled that one spouse cannot consent to the search of a house on behalf of the other.

2. Plain View. If a police officer already has the right to be on your property and sees contraband or evidence of a crime that is clearly visible, that object may be lawfully seized and used as evidence. For example, if the police are in your house on a domestic violence call and see marijuana plants on the windowsill, the plants can be seized as evidence.

3. Search Incident to Arrest. If you are being arrested in your house, police officers may search for weapons or other accomplices to protect their safety (known as a "protective sweep"), or they may otherwise search to prevent the destruction of evidence.

4. Exigent Circumstances. This exception refers to emergency situations where the process of getting a valid search warrant could compromise public safety or could lead to a loss of evidence.

read more:http://www.legalzoom.com/everyday-la...ce-search-your

I missed your post until now momrids6. I looked over the examples given and I didn't see one that fits my scenario.

My scenario is Mark giving LE consent to search Marks home on Sunday the 18th. LE asks Mark if it's OK to take the cereal bowl that Mark claims Dylan used. Mark say yes.

Is any evidence collected from that bowel admissible in court? Is DNA on a bowl evidence of a crime that LE can claim is in plain view and subject to being seized? I don't think so.

I think that LE would need a search warrant that specifies what is allowed to be seized. Even if it's only a swab to collect the DNA.

MOO

 

[asyousay]

Yes , when a child is missing and the they do not do a full out forensic search where he was apparently last seen for 10 days I lose trust in LE ( the small town sheriff's who only had about 4 officers ) and straight away they are out of there depth as they have never dealt with anything of this magnitude :cow:

I have read a few cases on this forum ( JBR) where the LE have not closed off crime scene correctly and let evidence be destroyed and it seems like that happens sometimes in small
Towns where they are not up to the standerd they should be :cow:

 

[katydid23]

I missed your post until now momrids6. I looked over the examples given and I didn't see one that fits my scenario.

My scenario is Mark giving LE consent to search Marks home on Sunday the 18th. LE asks Mark if it's OK to take the cereal bowl that Mark claims Dylan used. Mark say yes.

Is any evidence collected from that bowel admissible in court? Is DNA on a bowl evidence of a crime that LE can claim is in plain view and subject to being seized? I don't think so.

I think that LE would need a search warrant that specifies what is allowed to be seized. Even if it's only a swab to collect the DNA.

MOO

But there probably would not be a dirty cereal bowl there by the time LE came to search his home. He probably rinsed it and put it in the dishwasher or washed it already. JMO

 

[Berry]

Can you explain why they waited ten days to search the place he was last said to be, in any real way? When they have stated that they begin to think it was a criminal case by day two.

IMO, either they are not being honest about how long they treated him as a runaway, or there is indeed a turnip truck nearby.

IMO MR has 2 trucks FULL of turnips and he is giving them away constantly to the LE.

 

[cluciano63]

JMO, I doubt very much that a cereal bowl was taken on Monday evening, even if it was there on the counter to be taken. They have admitted they were looking for his phone, thinking he had taken off. I think the only way LE would have taken it is if it was more or less forced on them by MR, i.e. if it was a "prop" he wanted noted.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Can you explain why they waited ten days to search the place he was last said to be, in any real way? When they have stated that they begin to think it was a criminal case by day two.

IMO, either they are not being honest about how long they treated him as a runaway, or there is indeed a turnip truck nearby.

I agree that LE should have worked on getting that search warrant much sooner than they did. But remember, doing a good full blown interrogation of Mark Redwine as soon as possible would not be delayed by any judge. It appears to me that LE in this case dropped the ball. MOO.