CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Seajay]

O/T: I told DH last night that I should probably tell you guys. I was on jury duty once and during deliberation we had several votes to see where we all were on the case The second to last vote was 11-1 for conviction. Guess who was the one? You guessed it! I'm stubborn.

 

[scorekeeper]

O/T

http://www.lefthandersday.com/index.html

 

[Salem]

The 9:37 ER might not have known about until her phone bill came and prior to that LE asked her to hush about that item .

This is true and we don't know, but I disagree. ER was very vocal about the last time the cell phone was used, very early in the case. It was important to her and I'm sure she felt it was important for others to know because it basically starts the time that Dylan was unaccounted for.

Salem

 

[scorekeeper]

O/T: I told DH last night that I should probably tell you guys. I was on jury duty once and during deliberation we had several votes to see where we all were on the case The second to last vote was 11-1 for conviction. Guess who was the one? You guessed it! I'm stubborn.

:what: Not you!

what type of case/charges?

and the final vote was????? :fence:

 

[Angelonline]

Is it even legal for a 13 year old to have a credit card? I don't think he had any credit cards. Credit cards are easily traced.

My daughters used one of my credit cards with a low limit starting around that age. It had like a $200 limit. I would give one of the daughters the card if she was visiting relatives out of town or spending a weekend at the beach with a friend's family. In my mind it was safer than cash and then they were able to pay there own way for food or activities. I would in turn just pay it off at the end of the month.

 

[Ronald99]

The few Red Flags is that Sunday evening concerning Dylan's texting to his Friend, it was not a normal texting for someone described by his Mother as an avid texter, Dylan answered back 15-30 minutes later to the friend he was making plans to meet up with the following morning, and it was short answers, and it was obvious from Dylan's answers to his Friend something was not right,below is the link, and also his Mother and Father commenting

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687
His Friend Ryan texted
Ryan <modsnip>: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming
Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow
Ryan: Ok
Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why
Dylan: idk
Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no
Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea
Ryan: Oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow
Ryan: Yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
Ryan: I will
Ryan: im gonna be at my gmas
Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont
Ryan: Ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up
Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too
Ryan: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you
Ryan: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.
Ryan: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou
Ryan: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?
Ryan: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro
Ryan: Seriously when you get the message call someone

As anyone that's been around a person that likes to text a lot, Dylan was not responding normaly, Something was wrong, Law Enforcement like everyone else knows, within this time frame something happened, i don't believe the Fathers account of tossing a football when they arrived home that night, his father made a statement that Dylan was to tired to even talk about the new house, and the following morning the Father commented Dylan didn't want to get up,

I find it hard to believe Dylan was Tired at all, he's a Young boy with a lot of energy, and was excited about seeing his friend that night, but wasn't able, so it was planned the following morning, Dylan didn't make a cross country trip that lasted all day, Sunday evening is the Time frame that's important in solving this case, and finding Dylan, It's not Monday morning, that the Father wants the world to believe.

 

[Seajay]

:what: Not you!

what type of case/charges?

and the final vote was????? :fence:

Drunken driving, hit and run. He claimed someone else was driving the car when it hit the parked car. We ended up voting for conviction, only because he admitted himself on the stand that he moved the car from the street to park it in a lot while he was intoxicated. He went to prison for 5 years. The other 11 had to work overtime on me to get me there though. I didn't believe in the hit & run part. But I voted on the drunken driving.

 

[mck16]

Ok, now I'm confused. The way I'm reading your comment, you're asking why MR would fabricate the scenario of DR sleeping on Monday if he isn't guilty...is that correct?
I would respond by saying because if he isn't guilty, that is what happened.
If he is guilty, he would make up a story.
Correct?

Uh, no that is not correct. I was responding to comments on a post prior to this one that I made. Below:

MR has reported that his son was not home when he returned from running errands on Monday morning. That is the whole story from MR. If LE cannot find evidense of DR being in the home at all then that is an obvious lie and it would be ridiculous if LE had not already arrested MR. They can't be that incompetent. That would be a flagrant mistake and I don't think would be tolerated. jmo

 

[TxJan1971]

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Sunday evening is the Time frame that's important in solving this case, and finding Dylan, It's not Monday morning, that the Father wants the world to believe.

BBM
With the information we have thus far, I'm with you (at this time) on the Sunday evening timeframe. Now where do we go from Sunday evening? I would think we would need to know where MR and DR's phones were pinging last to have any idea of where to begin. It's so hard to sleuth without knowing more details. Uggggghhhhhh

 

[NC Analyzer]

Uh, no that is not correct. I was responding to comments on a post prior to this one that I made. Below:

MR has reported that his son was not home when he returned from running errands on Monday morning. That is the whole story from MR. If LE cannot find evidense of DR being in the home at all then that is an obvious lie and it would be ridiculous if LE had not already arrested MR. They can't be that incompetent. That would be a flagrant mistake and I don't think would be tolerated. jmo

Ok. I understand and read all the posts that were discussing the possibility of arrest for lying to LE. I also read Jan's post about lying to the FBI.
The problem I'm having with any of that is the same problem we appear to have been having throughout the case. LE/FBI also cannot prove a negative. MR can lie all he wants, but unless it can be proven that he lied, no one has cause to arrest him.

I have my doubts that MR had a clue that lying to the FBI could result in prison time, (something I'm guessing they rarely charge someone with), but that doesn't mean he didn't lie. It only means they cannot prove he lied...any more than they can prove Dylan arrived at the home or didn't arrive at the home.

Still not understanding what you're trying to say, but maybe all this talking in circles over and over is messing us all up. :great:

 

[jjenny]

Even if LE found absolutely no evidence of Dylan being in the home (no DNA, no fingerprints, etc) that doesn't actually prove he was not there. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Even if LE found absolutely no evidence of Dylan being in the home (no DNA, no fingerprints, etc) that doesn't actually prove he was not there. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Very true, Jjenny. Very true. That's what I was talking about when I said MR could lie all he wants but unless it can be proven he is lying (to the satisfaction of the local DA), then there is nothing to charge him with.

JMO and MOO

 

[CarolynV]

What if Dylan sent out an S.O.S. at 9:37? Would LE keep that quiet?

 

[Seajay]

You know, every day I come here with trepidation, hoping to see "Found Safe" next to Dylan's name but fearing I will see "Found Deceased" instead. I keep praying every night that Dylan will be found safe. I never expected him to be missing for this long. I figured by Thanksgiving he would be found and be back in the fold of his family. To me, it's unreal to look back at the time I picked up this case and realize it's gone on this long. I can't imagine how terrifying this is for his family. My heart and my prayers go out to all of them. I don't see how any of them could get through this without having to be heavily medicated. I know I'd have to be.

 

[cluciano63]

You know, every day I come here with trepidation, hoping to see "Found Safe" next to Dylan's name but fearing I will see "Found Deceased" instead. I keep praying every night that Dylan will be found safe. I never expected him to be missing for this long. I figured by Thanksgiving he would be found and be back in the fold of his family. To me, it's unreal to look back at the time I picked up this case and realize it's gone on this long. I can't imagine how terrifying this is for his family. My heart and my prayers go out to all of them. I don't see how any of them could get through this without having to be heavily medicated. I know I'd have to be.

It is always an unreal feeling when a case you follow from the start turns into one of these endless nightmare cases. You never know which ones they will be. I first read about Kyron early Sat. Morning when he went missing on Friday, and felt for sure he had somehow become lost in that wooded area by the school. Hailey Dunn, also.

There are so few cases that go this distance with a good, if any, ending.

 

[SCHMAE]

The few Red Flags is that Sunday evening concerning Dylan's texting to his Friend, it was not a normal texting for someone described by his Mother as an avid texter, Dylan answered back 15-30 minutes later to the friend he was making plans to meet up with the following morning, and it was short answers, and it was obvious from Dylan's answers to his Friend something was not right,below is the link, and also his Mother and Father commenting

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687
His Friend Ryan texted
Ryan <modsnip>: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming
Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow
Ryan: Ok
Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why
Dylan: idk
Ryan: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no
Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea
Ryan: Oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow
Ryan: Yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
Ryan: I will
Ryan: im gonna be at my gmas
Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont
Ryan: Ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up
Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too
Ryan: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you
Ryan: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.
Ryan: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou
Ryan: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?
Ryan: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro
Ryan: Seriously when you get the message call someone

As anyone that's been around a person that likes to text a lot, Dylan was not responding normaly, Something was wrong, Law Enforcement like everyone else knows, within this time frame something happened, i don't believe the Fathers account of tossing a football when they arrived home that night, his father made a statement that Dylan was to tired to even talk about the new house, and the following morning the Father commented Dylan didn't want to get up,

I find it hard to believe Dylan was Tired at all, he's a Young boy with a lot of energy, and was excited about seeing his friend that night, but wasn't able, so it was planned the following morning, Dylan didn't make a cross country trip that lasted all day, Sunday evening is the Time frame that's important in solving this case, and finding Dylan, It's not Monday morning, that the Father wants the world to believe.

This part of the exchange has always struck me. I'm picturing a conversation with MR and DR . MR obviously says not tonight. Maybe then he says I'll take you early in the morning if anyone will be up , thinking it would be way too early for any teenage boys to be awake. DR texts his friend to see, thinking no way will his friend be up and again no way will it be OK to go to his GMAS that time of day. Then , perhaps smugly, says to MR , ' well they said its FINE that early'. Perhaps MR and DR both were surprised that it could be done at 6:30 and perhaps MR never really wanted to or intended to follow through with that early hour trip just assuming the friends and gma would say ' oh no that's too early , what about lunchtime' and then MR could say ''well I was already out running all those errands, I cannot take you now''. Of course this is opinion, speculative and does not in ANY way indicate guilt. I'm just imagining it out this way. MR thought by throwing a very early time in there, it would disrupt the plans and make them fall apart. He may have said " R's grandma is NOT going to want you barging in at 6:30 in the morning " . ... so DR texts and finds out she can. Maybe he even sticks his tongue out and says ' haha, you're wrong dad '' . SUPER MOOOO

Also I agree the exchange doesn't seem like normal texting, but I don't know that it means anything. Could be as simple as MR said you and that dang phone, all the time, I'm trying to talk to you , son , stop with the phone a minute. And so DR was trying to be quick with his replies . Or of course, it could have been a much more serious statement from MR.

 

[asyousay]

When i read the texts Dylan already seems down in the dumps and MR is the cause of that. Its quite easy to imagine they had a argument on the way home IMO .

 

[Cardinal47]

At first I believed either ER, CR or MR had taken Dylan and was holding him.

It's been too long.

Somebody got away with murder.

If Dylan is ever found it will be by accident in the Spring.

I have the strangest feeling he is very close to MR 's home like Caylee was!

MOO

 

[asyousay]

At first I believed either ER, CR or MR had taken Dylan and was holding him.

It's been too long.

Somebody got away with murder.

If Dylan is ever found it will be by accident in the Spring.

I have the strangest feeling he is very close to MR 's home like Caylee was!

MOO

I am not sure what to believe but if does turn out like this then again i put that down to MR and control .

Because i think with the time frame he had he would put as much distance between him and the body if it was purely a mistake :cow:

 

[Eileen730]

At first I believed either ER, CR or MR had taken Dylan and was holding him.

It's been too long.

Somebody got away with murder.

If Dylan is ever found it will be by accident in the Spring.

I have the strangest feeling he is very close to MR 's home like Caylee was!

MOO

If family were going to take HIM they would have vanished with him!
There is absoloutely nothing to gain by abducting him and no one being with him. Makes no sense.

I think hes close to the home also!