CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #30

[asyousay]

So it looks like the 9:37 PM text was an outgoing text by Dylan and not one received by his device from someone.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/313914/339/Redwine-disappearance-remains-a-mystery

I hope this gets cleared up to tonight if it was sent to one of the family.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Personally I find both parents selfish and self-centered. They both seem to be focused on themselves and not their missing child. Was this always their pattern? IMHO most likely. The father seems more concerned about how he's being perceived and the mother's early statements about how she could have married someone who could have done something to their child is about her and not the child. I can see a scenario where the child felt like a ping pong ball and left to strike out on his own and encountered the wrong person. All IMHO. I'm a little behind here and trying to catch up but I've gotten this feeling from the beginning.

I respectfully disagree. In hindsight, I believe ER sees how this situation has spun out of control, but I doubt she knew how this was going to end up when things first started. What was she to do? Not address her concerns? Continue to perpetuate his evasiveness? IMO, MR is a master manipulator. It appears he lived his entire life as such. He continues to play this game. It also appears to be working for him seeing how some people have fallen for his proclaimed innocence. It is very difficult to explain this type of personality to anyone who hasn't experienced it first hand. That's how those who have this trait continue to function in our society. Not everyone will take the time to examine his history, but here at WS we already know that he has alienated the very people and relationships that most of us would consider dear. He has 5 children...one of them is missing while in his care and the other 4 have little/no contact with the man. Two ex-wives who are telling us the same things about the man. No close family members who speak on his behalf. Only relative strangers (who don't even know the man) are commenting somewhat favorably about him....and they are so ill advised they are pointing fingers at ER, who wasn't even close to Dylan's geographic location when he disappeared. MR strikes me as a bitter, unhappy person who is willing to drag everyone down to his level because he has personal demons he doesn't want to face. I have no sympathy or tolerance for his "poor, pity me" victim mentality.
Of course all of this is JMO.

 

[dlc]

Personally I find both parents selfish and self-centered. They both seem to be focused on themselves and not their missing child. Was this always their pattern? IMHO most likely. The father seems more concerned about how he's being perceived and the mother's early statements about how she could have married someone who could have done something to their child is about her and not the child. I can see a scenario where the child felt like a ping pong ball and left to strike out on his own and encountered the wrong person. All IMHO. I'm a little behind here and trying to catch up but I've gotten this feeling from the beginning.

BBM

Now see, I read that completely differently. She is not saying "poor me," she is feeling expressing the fear/feeling the guilt of possibly having had a child with someone who could harm them. IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

At first I was really looking forward to this story. 9news is a popular news outlet in Colorado with a huge television and online audience. The attention for Dylan is wonderful. I'm just afraid from the headlines and angles that have come out of this as well as the brief interview snippets, the sensationalism is going to make this about a custody dispute or parent battle more so than a missing child who needs to be found! I hope it isn't the case, I hope the reporter gets a bit more out from LE and the search. I'm just feeling some dread in my stomach about sensationalizing the parent battle angle.

Right ! If they play it off like 'either ' parent could be involved in hiding him from the other then public interest will disappear . People will think the parents are playing games and no one will look. If that's the case and he was taken by a stranger then no one will be looking for him. Lucky day for the wandering pervert if that's the case. I'm getting/ have had a bad feeling about the whole interview mess for the last day or so .

 

[azgrandma]

Right ! If they play it off like 'either ' parent could be involved in hiding him from the other then public interest will disappear . People will think the parents are playing games and no one will look. If that's the case and he was taken by a stranger then no one will be looking for him. Lucky day for the wandering pervert if that's the case. I'm getting/ have had a bad feeling about the whole interview mess for the last day or so .

BBM - me too! I'm really confused about why it is being spun as a custody dispute or custodial interference vs ANYTHING else. If this is how the interview is going to go then I believe that it is headed in the wrong direction and more damage can be done.

IMO people don't tend to look into custodial interference because it's believed that the child is at least with ONE parent, unless that one parent is a crazy nut.

 

[Flutterflies]

ubm

"I'm Dylan's mom …" - this has always bugged me, the first time I heard this, I was a bit puzzled wondering why E said this, does she think someone is out there who thinks they are Dylan's mom? Is there a dispute whether she is Dylan's mom? why this choice of words - just bugs me as I did not think that was necessary to declare. Does she think there is someone who is keeping Dylan safe and acting as his "mom"?

In the recent clips, she comes across, IMO, as extremely bitter and confrontational, it is in her voice very distinctly as well as facial mannerisms. I do wish she would get a handle on all that anger and bitterness as it is not healthy for her. It is directed at MR, I know that. Comparing her clip to MR clip, MR comes across as soft spoken, caring, and accepting of blame. I see no blatant anger from him as E displays. It is interesting to see these two and wonder how in this world they could have been married so long as they are as different as two peas in a pod seemingly having a caustic relationship.

I feel so sorry for Dylan. Only Dylan. He is/was a victim of his parents bitterness and hate toward each other. I return to Dylan's thread often for updates without posting, just a lurker. My concern is for Dylan and only Dylan who has/had no control over his parents attitudes but is/was greatly affected by them. I have not given up hope. My hope for Dylan is for him to be home for his 14th birthday.

IMO, MOO

IMO the mother has not been selfish at all, she has appeared and hosted fund raisers, searched for Dylan, get billboards up and conducted several interviews all for Dylan. I don't believe that one out of how many times, she mentions her thoughts about marrying someone who could have hurt their child makes her selfish. I don't see that.

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

"I'm Dylan's mom. I've got to hope he's out there safe and whoever knows, has him, has compassion in their hearts to let him come home to his family," said Elaine.

Though her frustration with Mark is clear, she doesn't believe he would hurt their son.

"In my mind, I can't fathom a parent hurting their own child. I don't want to believe I picked so wrong that my ex-husband could hurt our son. So no, I don't believe that," said Elaine.



BTW - that was my thought as well. To think that I may have picked someone that could harm a child absolutely boggles my mind.

 

[rebeccaeee]

ubm

<snip>
In the recent clips, she comes across, IMO, as extremely bitter and confrontational, it is in her voice very distinctly as well as facial mannerisms. I do wish she would get a handle on all that anger and bitterness as it is not healthy for her. It is directed at MR, I know that. Comparing her clip to MR clip, MR comes across as soft spoken, caring, and accepting of blame. I see no blatant anger from him as E displays. It is interesting to see these two and wonder how in this world they could have been married so long as they are as different as two peas in a pod seemingly having a caustic relationship.

<snip>
IMO, MOO

Remember those five stages of grief- denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I imagine a parent of a missing child would swerve wildly among all of those stages and alot of ER's behavior hits these notes for me.

 

[SuperMom1995]

ubm

"I'm Dylan's mom …" - this has always bugged me, the first time I heard this, I was a bit puzzled wondering why E said this, does she think someone is out there who thinks they are Dylan's mom? Is there a dispute whether she is Dylan's mom? why this choice of words - just bugs me as I did not think that was necessary to declare. Does she think there is someone who is keeping Dylan safe and acting as his "mom"?

In the recent clips, she comes across, IMO, as extremely bitter and confrontational, it is in her voice very distinctly as well as facial mannerisms. I do wish she would get a handle on all that anger and bitterness as it is not healthy for her. It is directed at MR, I know that. Comparing her clip to MR clip, MR comes across as soft spoken, caring, and accepting of blame. I see no blatant anger from him as E displays. It is interesting to see these two and wonder how in this world they could have been married so long as they are as different as two peas in a pod seemingly having a caustic relationship.

I feel so sorry for Dylan. Only Dylan. He is/was a victim of his parents bitterness and hate toward each other. I return to Dylan's thread often for updates without posting, just a lurker. My concern is for Dylan and only Dylan who has/had no control over his parents attitudes but is/was greatly affected by them. I have not given up hope. My hope for Dylan is for him to be home for his 14th birthday.

IMO, MOO

I think she is also going through the stages of grief/loss and one of them is anger and not necessarily directed toward anyone.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Remember those five stages of grief- denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I imagine a parent of a missing child would swerve wildly among all of those stages and alot of ER's behavior hits these notes for me.

Sorry, we must have been writing at the same time...I didn't see yours.

 

[asyousay]

ubm

"I'm Dylan's mom &#8230;" - this has always bugged me, the first time I heard this, I was a bit puzzled wondering why E said this, does she think someone is out there who thinks they are Dylan's mom? Is there a dispute whether she is Dylan's mom? why this choice of words - just bugs me as I did not think that was necessary to declare. Does she think there is someone who is keeping Dylan safe and acting as his "mom"?

In the recent clips, she comes across, IMO, as extremely bitter and confrontational, it is in her voice very distinctly as well as facial mannerisms. I do wish she would get a handle on all that anger and bitterness as it is not healthy for her. It is directed at MR, I know that. Comparing her clip to MR clip, MR comes across as soft spoken, caring, and accepting of blame. I see no blatant anger from him as E displays. It is interesting to see these two and wonder how in this world they could have been married so long as they are as different as two peas in a pod seemingly having a caustic relationship.


IMO, MOO

Or maybe it comes down to the fact that Elaine is not a manipulator and is up front and honest and Mark is playing a game. Mark is very much trying to paint a picture of himself which from what i have read on this forum is nothing like the media image he is trying to portray .
:cow: - what would i do without my trusted cow!

 

[Flutterflies]

Right ! If they play it off like 'either ' parent could be involved in hiding him from the other then public interest will disappear . People will think the parents are playing games and no one will look. If that's the case and he was taken by a stranger then no one will be looking for him. Lucky day for the wandering pervert if that's the case. I'm getting/ have had a bad feeling about the whole interview mess for the last day or so .

bbm

I agree with you. It certainly seems like either parent could be involved the way it is presented by media. Is that the intention with the interview? Public interest is going to decline. It seems as if one parent is hiding Dylan from the other parent. It gets worse and worse in that sense. Is this what E and M had in mind by doing the interviews or did media decide to take that spin? This case is a travesty!

 

[asyousay]

We don't know if they have taken this spin because of what has gone on in the interviews .


If Mark and Elaine swear each other is behind this then of course the news station will go with that angle :cow:

 

[SCHMAE]

I know where my kids are right now. I know that they were warm and had full tummies and slept in a cozy bed last night......the night before that too and every night for the last two months. I saw them open their Christmas gifts and I saw them eat with their whole family on Thanksgiving. I watched them do fireworks on New Years Eve. I cannot imagine what Elaine is thinking or feeling and I would never try and I would pray that I never have to know. She can say whatever she wants to say .

 

[azgrandma]

ubm

"I'm Dylan's mom …" - this has always bugged me, the first time I heard this, I was a bit puzzled wondering why E said this, does she think someone is out there who thinks they are Dylan's mom? Is there a dispute whether she is Dylan's mom? why this choice of words - just bugs me as I did not think that was necessary to declare. Does she think there is someone who is keeping Dylan safe and acting as his "mom"?

In the recent clips, she comes across, IMO, as extremely bitter and confrontational, it is in her voice very distinctly as well as facial mannerisms. I do wish she would get a handle on all that anger and bitterness as it is not healthy for her. It is directed at MR, I know that. Comparing her clip to MR clip, MR comes across as soft spoken, caring, and accepting of blame. I see no blatant anger from him as E displays. It is interesting to see these two and wonder how in this world they could have been married so long as they are as different as two peas in a pod seemingly having a caustic relationship.

I feel so sorry for Dylan. Only Dylan. He is/was a victim of his parents bitterness and hate toward each other. I return to Dylan's thread often for updates without posting, just a lurker. My concern is for Dylan and only Dylan who has/had no control over his parents attitudes but is/was greatly affected by them. I have not given up hope. My hope for Dylan is for him to be home for his 14th birthday.

IMO, MOO

BBM, she is saying she is Dylan's mom IMO as a way of expressing, she's his mom and knows more about that child than others would.
Yeah, she's bitter and confrontational, I would be too if the person that was caring for my child wouldn't answer my questions and my child disappeared in their care. I'd be more than bitter and confrontational! 74 days of no answers, IMO she has EVERY right to be bitter, her son is missing. IMO she earned that emotion the hard way.

 

[NC Analyzer]

We don't know if they have taken this spin because of what has gone on in the interviews .


If Mark and Elaine swear each other is behind this then of course the news station will go with that angle :cow:

Very true, but what I worry about is that ER may attempt to "take the heat off" MR due to the negative public perception now that she is aware of it, while MR attempts to point the finger at anyone and everyone else and at the same time "push" a "custody battle" agenda on the public to distract things away from himself. Very scary.
JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

At first I was really looking forward to this story. 9news is a popular news outlet in Colorado with a huge television and online audience. The attention for Dylan is wonderful. I'm just afraid from the headlines and angles that have come out of this as well as the brief interview snippets, the sensationalism is going to make this about a custody dispute or parent battle more so than a missing child who needs to be found! I hope it isn't the case, I hope the reporter gets a bit more out from LE and the search. I'm just feeling some dread in my stomach about sensationalizing the parent battle angle.

that has been happening from day 1

*unfortunately*

 

[asyousay]

Very true, but what I worry about is that ER may attempt to "take the heat off" MR due to the negative public perception now that she is aware of it, while MR attempts to point the finger at anyone and everyone else and at the same time "push" a "custody battle" agenda on the public to distract things away from himself. Very scary.
JMO

Just because they are doing this does not mean LE are looking at it like this.

 

[Tonto]

Unless that 9:37 text that went out from Dylan's phone said something like 'help!' or 'my dad is angry and/or drunk!'. or gave the impression that someone else typed it, then the timeframe corroborates MR's story even more.

 

[Dixie811]

Unless that 9:37 text that went out from Dylan's phone said something like 'help!' or 'my dad is angry and/or drunk!'. or gave the impression that someone else typed it, then the timeframe corroborates MR's story even more.

If only we knew what it said..

 

[asyousay]

Unless that 9:37 text that went out from Dylan's phone said something like 'help!' or 'my dad is angry and/or drunk!'. or gave the impression that someone else typed it, then the timeframe corroborates MR's story even more.

I do not see how that is so. When Mark said they got home and Dylan crashed. Did he send a message in his sleep?