CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[NC Analyzer]

His excuse was that it was a miscommunication. Hard to be that if he didn't communicate at all.
I never trusted him after that period. Actually I didn't trust him before that.


He also one time wanted them to visit in NC, he wanted me to drop them off at Stapleton International, but refused to tell me what time, what flight, what airline, when they would go, when they would return, IF anyone was flying with them, nothing. Supposedly his grandparents had the tickets and were going to meet me there. Under the advice of my attorney, (which wasn't needed because I had enough common sense) I did not take the children to the airport. He was p-o'd and couldn't understand, Stapleton was a HUGE airport and flights started leaving at around 5 am. I had no intention of sitting in an airport with two children waiting for someone to come at sometime to take them somewhere that I could not verify, to a state where I had no idea of a home address, a home phone, nothing other than he lived in NC. Call me stupid, a beyotch, but I wasn't going to do it. He took me to court and the judge agreed with me. The only flight after that was to Colo and was provided with all information needed and expected.

No communication and "miscommunication" appear to work well for him. JMO
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Thank you for providing this information. This must be painful for you considering how awful it must be for your own children. I just want to give you a big hug to pass along to them.

 

[DylansMom34]

I hate to think what happened to Dylan, what did that poor kid endure? It makes me so sad, so angry, and as a mom, so protective!! Dylan deserves his life, he deserves to have girlfriends, prom, friends, school activities, sports. Sometimes (like tonight) I wish I could have some sort genie-like powers and could make all these things go back to how it was BEFORE November 18.

 

[azgrandma]

No communication and "miscommunication" appear to work well for him. JMO
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

Thank you for providing this information. This must be painful for you considering how awful it must be for your own children. I just want to give you a big hug to pass along to them.

BBM I will pass it to them. The most painful part is as ER said, that I could have picked so badly and I could not have explained/warned her. Also that as thankful as I am that my children are safe & sound, their brother isn't.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

No communication and "miscommunication" appear to work well for him. JMO
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

Thank you for providing this information. This must be painful for you considering how awful it must be for your own children. I just want to give you a big hug to pass along to them.

Yes I think I'm seeing a pattern. And no people do not change...even over a long period of time. I think their morals, values and patterns of behavior are developed before adulthood.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Yes he was. ER saw some of the challenges. I will say this, when you are young and dating, the guy is divorced and his ex is portrayed as a *****, you see arguements etc, you naturally believe that the ex is a ***** and your poor boyfriend has to deal with this ****.

Out of all the court battles, ER did attend some hearings but had to stay outside the courtroom, so she never heard what actually happened in there. There was one time that she was in court, it was for a charge against MR. At least I can only remember one.

I do know that much of what happened she was NOT aware of. He is very manipulative and it wasn't too hard for him to convince people that I had kidnapped the kids, they were not aware that we went to court for me to get permission to move to AZ. He was fully aware of it, but nobody else was.

BBM: Like many others here, I can definitely see this in him. Anyone who hasn't been around someone like this doesn't understand how easy it is to play this "game" and get away with it. At his age, I'm sure he has this down to a fine tuned art. JMO and MOO

 

[Lordeebee]

What a sweet, loving and compassionate dad. NOT

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That must have been very upsetting and confusing to the children also. Were they affected?

 

[MissJ]

www.keepyourchildsafe.org : more than 100 children are abducted and murdered every year. Most of them are murdered by someone in the family, usually a parent. 75% who are murdered are murdered within 3-6 hours after the abduction.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

BBM I will pass it to them. The most painful part is as ER said, that I could have picked so badly and I could not have explained/warned her. Also that as thankful as I am that my children are safe & sound, their brother isn't.

I'm so sorry. I know that people like this are master manipulators of people and their emotions. They really are good at it. I don't think you or Elaine need to feel responsible for anything.

 

[azgrandma]

That must have been very upsetting and confusing to the children also. Were they affected?

Oh YES they were affected! I can't tell you how many ways they were and still are. Even before Dylan vanished, they were very much affected.

They are very well adjusted, bright, wonderful children with qualities that amaze me every single day. They are parents that I admire. They are spouses that many would be envious of. Children that make me swell with pride every single moment of every single day. <3

 

[DylansMom34]

BBM I will pass it to them. The most painful part is as ER said, that I could have picked so badly and I could not have explained/warned her. Also that as thankful as I am that my children are safe & sound, their brother isn't.

Your boys may have dodged something horrific. I'm not accusing Mark, but there are huge red flags all over the place. IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

His excuse was that it was a miscommunication. Hard to be that if he didn't communicate at all.
I never trusted him after that period. Actually I didn't trust him before that.


He also one time wanted them to visit in NC, he wanted me to drop them off at Stapleton International, but refused to tell me what time, what flight, what airline, when they would go, when they would return, IF anyone was flying with them, nothing. Supposedly his grandparents had the tickets and were going to meet me there. Under the advice of my attorney, (which wasn't needed because I had enough common sense) I did not take the children to the airport. He was p-o'd and couldn't understand, Stapleton was a HUGE airport and flights started leaving at around 5 am. I had no intention of sitting in an airport with two children waiting for someone to come at sometime to take them somewhere that I could not verify, to a state where I had no idea of a home address, a home phone, nothing other than he lived in NC. Call me stupid, a beyotch, but I wasn't going to do it. He took me to court and the judge agreed with me. The only flight after that was to Colo and was provided with all information needed and expected.

Hate that you and ER had to go through that. What kinda guy.......
Glad to see you Gran!

 

[azgrandma]

As an O/T my brother and father use to always have a saying and it's MR's famous one, what's funny is that they said it and he uses it.

If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull*****.

 

[scorekeeper]

I hate to think what happened to Dylan, what did that poor kid endure? It makes me so sad, so angry, and as a mom, so protective!! Dylan deserves his life, he deserves to have girlfriends, prom, friends, school activities, sports. Sometimes (like tonight) I wish I could have some sort genie-like powers and could make all these things go back to how it was BEFORE November 18.

BBM

That's exactly what Elaine was trying to say in her interview

I can't imagine the guilt she feels

lease:lease:lease:

 

[scorekeeper]

As an O/T my brother and father use to always have a saying and it's MR's famous one, what's funny is that they said it and he uses it.

If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull*****.

which is what we are seeing now....

:furious::furious::furious::furious:

and people are buying what he's selling

JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

O/T can u vote on a poll on FB if you don't have an account?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

OT: This super bowl is incredible!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Personally, I don't think it's that unusual for a parent to UNINTENTIONALLY kill their child, and report their child missing, and blame it on an intruder/kidnapper. I think there have been plenty of parents who took their child's life---not premeditated---and realized they were going to jail if they didn't get rid of the body. Yeah, the Crimes Against Children forum is filled with children whose parents kill them, say it was an accident, and then the coroner finds months of abuse. Those people are idiots for thinking that the prior abuse wouldn't be discovered. But yes, I do think there are plenty of people who if they got angry at their child, pushed them and they fall down the stairs on their head, they would get rid of the body, instead of calling 911, and say it was an accident. And it's a pretty good plan too since it worked so far (in their minds of many people) for the Ramseys, Irwins, Celises, McCanns, Justin D, Casey, etc.

 

[DylansMom34]

I think there are a few of us who are disgusted tonight... probably for different reasons.

 

[cluciano63]

Personally, I don't think it's that unusual for a parent to UNINTENTIONALLY kill their child, and report their child missing, and blame it on an intruder/kidnapper. I think there have been plenty of parents who took their child's life---not premeditated---and realized they were going to jail if they didn't get rid of the body. Yeah, the Crimes Against Children forum is filled with children whose parents kill them, say it was an accident, and then the coroner finds months of abuse. Those people are idiots for thinking that the prior abuse wouldn't be discovered. But yes, I do think there are plenty of people who if they got angry at their child, pushed them and they fall down the stairs on their head, they would get rid of the body, instead of calling 911, and say it was an accident. And it's a pretty good plan too since it worked so far (in their minds of many people) for the Ramseys, Irwins, Celises, McCanns, Justin D, Casey, etc.

I have always agreed with this. With so many child cases unsolved, I do not understand how people can say "no parent would hide a death" etc. Many, in fact, may have done exactly that.

 

[Salem]

Okay Guys - get back on topic here. There is NO evidence either way regarding the drinking - so, we are not going to make up our own. Table the discussion until/unless something hits the airwaves regarding the subject.

Salem