CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[Deleted member 39678]

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I like to think that Websleuths is about using available evidence to help find the truth and in this case find a missing person.

Hopefully people will only bring factual and relevant evidence to this thread when discussing any person who may be involved in Dylan's disappearance.

As far as I can tell from what I've read, Mark Redwine may not be the best husband or father, but he doesn't stand out as being a violent child killer either. MOO.

 

[deoneta]

I have always agreed with this. With so many child cases unsolved, I do not understand how people can say "no parent would hide a death" etc. Many, in fact, may have done exactly that.

For me the difference is between unintentional and accidental. If an otherwise decent parent wasn't keeping an eye on a child, and that child climbed up on the roof and fell, or if the parent and child were playing a game and the child fell and hit his head, I just don't believe the first impulse would be to hide the body, even if the parent felt responsible. That's what I consider 'accidental." Now if a parent was "punishing" a child and went too far, that would be unintentional perhaps, but not accidental. And it would be a crime which a parent might well want to conceal. The same with drugging a child so the parent won't have to deal with the child. The intention might not be to kill, but it's no accident and definitely a crime. All MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

For me the difference is between unintentional and accidental. If an otherwise decent parent wasn't keeping an eye on a child, and that child climbed up on the roof and fell, or if the parent and child were playing a game and the child fell and hit his head, I just don't believe the first impulse would be to hide the body, even if the parent felt responsible. That's what I consider 'accidental." Now if a parent was "punishing" a child and went too far, that would be unintentional perhaps, but not accidental. And it would be a crime which a parent might well want to conceal. The same with drugging a child so the parent won't have to deal with the child. The intention might not be to kill, but it's no accident and definitely a crime. All MOO

Very well said. If they think their actions some how resulted in that death and they could to jail for it...many would choose to try to cover it up than possibly face jail/prison time. And things like this happen all the time.

 

[Lordeebee]

If Mark did send R those texts to coverup something, why didn't he continue doing it in the morning in response to R's 6:46 AM text asking "where are you"?

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

Because he thought the rest of his story would cover him until Dylan's "disappearance". In other words the story that Dylan was over-tired and couldn't wake up in the morning to leave with him when he left to do his errands. Then some unknown person kidnapped him or he left on foot to walk to his friends house.

When in reality, imo - first of all Dylan WOULD have jumped out of bed to go to his friends house, and even if he had overslept, he would have texted his friend or SOMEONE to let them know what was going on. That's why it seems so obvious that Dylan was not even at the house - something happened to him before that morning ever came.

 

[azgrandma]

For me the difference is between unintentional and accidental. If an otherwise decent parent wasn't keeping an eye on a child, and that child climbed up on the roof and fell, or if the parent and child were playing a game and the child fell and hit his head, I just don't believe the first impulse would be to hide the body, even if the parent felt responsible. That's what I consider 'accidental." Now if a parent was "punishing" a child and went too far, that would be unintentional perhaps, but not accidental. And it would be a crime which a parent might well want to conceal. The same with drugging a child so the parent won't have to deal with the child. The intention might not be to kill, but it's no accident and definitely a crime. All MOO

very well said.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314234/207/How-investigators-search-for-Redwine-other-missing-kids

there are some comments on the article

 

[Deleted member 39678]

For me the difference is between unintentional and accidental. If an otherwise decent parent wasn't keeping an eye on a child, and that child climbed up on the roof and fell, or if the parent and child were playing a game and the child fell and hit his head, I just don't believe the first impulse would be to hide the body, even if the parent felt responsible. That's what I consider 'accidental." Now if a parent was "punishing" a child and went too far, that would be unintentional perhaps, but not accidental. And it would be a crime which a parent might well want to conceal. The same with drugging a child so the parent won't have to deal with the child. The intention might not be to kill, but it's no accident and definitely a crime. All MOO

Very well said. If they think their actions some how resulted in that death and they could to jail for it...many would choose to try to cover it up than possibly face jail/prison time. And things like this happen all the time.

How does this relate to this case? Do we have any evidence that one of Dylan's parents would do or have done some of the things that are listed?

 

[azgrandma]

How does this relate to this case? Do we have any evidence that one of Dylan's parents would do or have done some of the things that are listed?

IMO I appreciate all studies and research that pertains to any possible aspect of this case. I don't believe that it was mentioned that it was related one way or another.

 

[cluciano63]

If we can only bring up things we know to be fact, and not theories or ideas, we may as well not have threads until after trials, IMO.

 

[deoneta]

How does this relate to this case? Do we have any evidence that one of Dylan's parents would do or have done some of the things that are listed?

People had theorized that this could have been an accident covered up. Others were saying they doubted a parent would cover up an accident. I was pointing out what I think the difference is between accidental and unintentional, speaking in general terms and accusing no one of anything. In answer to your second question, no.

 

[dlc]

ITA!

And I have linked a large case study a couple of times before that has 775 cases in it where a child had gone missing/abducted and was later found murdered. Out of those 775 solved cases only 14% of them involved parents. Parents tend to call 911 pretending the child had an accident at home and accidentally died then the AR tells LE its homicide. Or they will take the child and run off with them and the child is killed while the parent is on the run from LE.

42% of the time in those 775 cases it was done by someone known to the child such as an aquaintance, friend, neighbor etc. but 44% of the time the perpretrator was a stranger and unknown to the child.

And of course there have been cases where foul play was suspected due to the length of time the child had been missing and it turned out to be an accident.

So the possiblities are many.

IMO

I'm sorry, but where is the link?

Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because he thought the rest of his story would cover him until Dylan's "disappearance". In other words the story that Dylan was over-tired and couldn't wake up in the morning to leave with him when he left to do his errands. Then some unknown person kidnapped him or he left on foot to walk to his friends house.

When in reality, imo - first of all Dylan WOULD have jumped out of bed to go to his friends house, and even if he had overslept, he would have texted his friend or SOMEONE to let them know what was going on. That's why it seems so obvious that Dylan was not even at the house - something happened to him before that morning ever came.

I'm not sure how this fits in with the text messages but I like Psychic Sleuths explanation that the cell phone was destroyed by being immersed in the lake rather than he thought that the rest of his story would suffice.

Is it possible to oversleep and not text your friend that your running late? It seems like it may have happened to a person who had been traveling and may not have slept well the night before. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

IMO I appreciate all studies and research that pertains to any possible aspect of this case. I don't believe that it was mentioned that it was related one way or another.

So they were talking in a general sense and there is no specific tie to this case.

 

[katydid23]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314234/207/How-investigators-search-for-Redwine-other-missing-kids

there are some comments on the article

Interesting. And just as I thought.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

People had theorized that this could have been an accident covered up. Others were saying they doubted a parent would cover up an accident. I was pointing out what I think the difference is between accidental and unintentional, speaking in general terms and accusing no one of anything. In answer to your second question, no.

All I know is that your examples seemed to fit accidents with small children and not a 13 year old boy. That's why I have a hard time correlating your post with Dylan. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Interesting. And just as I thought.

What's interesting and just as you thought? I'd like to know.

 

[apples]

This case reminds me of Sky Metawala. A custody battle. A missing child. And a parent that is laying low, under the radar. Only Mark is even gutsier than Sky's 'mom', because he'll turn on the actor and get on TV...

 

[Annie1004]

:floorlaugh:

Why won't everyone just cooperate with us and give us what we want!!!

:floorlaugh:

They better if they ever want this case solved! With the sharp and inquisitive minds of caring WS'ers, LE would greatly benefit from the WS expertise.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I found this interesting when reading this article.

They say they have searched activity on electronic devices including Dylan's missing phone, although they will not be specific about how many devices they searched.

That means that LE looked at multiple electronic devices to gather information. And that included Dylan's cell phone records.

I would assume that they looked at anything regarding his iPod and any computers that he had access to during the relevant time period. MOO.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314234/207/How-investigators-search-for-Redwine-other-missing-kids

 

[LaMer]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314234/207/How-investigators-search-for-Redwine-other-missing-kids

there are some comments on the article

Mentioned in the article, Dylan's mother bringing items from home for a scent for finding Dylan.

I had read here, forget which poster, but had posted about a pair of Dylan's sweatpants being at his father's house. In reading that, it had been new to me. I dunno. True?

However, what about a washcloth or a towel and possibly a toothbrush? If Dylan had packed up to start out trying to get to his friend's grandma's home that morning, maybe forgot the toothbrush. However, I highly doubt he would have taken everything to go fishing! jmo From all I have read, Dylan had been very very anxious to see his friends.

God Bless him where-ever he is. My prayers for him and his family.