CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[ChiTownLass]

I sent her a message on FB earlier today thanking her for the uncut interviews. For us non-tweeters, there's that option. And for those non-FBers, you can probably email her at the 9news website.

Did you also get a chance ask her where the rest of the uncut interview with MR was? Still waiting for someone to ask her that.....

I tried to send her a message on FB this morning....but apparently you need to pay people you are not friends with now to send messages????:what:

okay...I found her email at the news and I emailed her....I will see if she answers and let everyone know

 

[MissJ]

It may change a bit in the telling but the facts stay the same

Like...... trying to wake him up,..... he said he understood....., out like a light!
Its one or the other!

Absolutely! MR's "facts" keep changing. :banghead::moo:

 

[JustJeannie]

It may change a bit in the telling but the facts stay the same

Like...... trying to wake him up,..... he said he understood....., out like a light!
Its one or the other!

I am still fence sitting, though I have some serious questions about things MR has said... But this one doesn't bother me. There have been many times in the past when my boys were "out like a light" but I got them awake enough to answer me. Later they would not remember talking to me, but at the time they did.

Like I said, I have some serious questions about some of Mark's statements, and some definite concerns about his possible involvement, but this is not one of them. JMO

 

[Sigh Sister]

I've been lurking off and on and wanted to thank TxJan for transcribing the interviews and compiling the awesome timeline.

I watched MR's uncut interview and read the transcript. The following really stood out to me:


"All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. *Those things were important to me. *You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. *You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. *You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

First, he gives the impression that he was always on top of Dylan's whereabouts when he was with his friends and mentions this twice, but on the day Dylan went missing, he wasn't really concerned even though Dylan didn't leave a note and hadn't been answering his texts. He was so unconcerned, he took a nap.

Second he mentions 3 times that when he and Dylan are together, it's just them. He does throw in there that he knows Dylan's friends are important to him, but he definitely emphasizes that their time together was very important to him.

I think MR was not as accepting of Dylan wanting to be with his friends as he has tried to lead people to believe.

I'm sure that others have already made these observations, but I decided to post anyway. :seeya:

 

[asyousay]

I've been lurking off and on and wanted to thank TxJan for transcribing the interviews and compiling the awesome timeline.

I watched MR's uncut interview and read the transcript. The following really stood out to me:


"All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. *Those things were important to me. *You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. *You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. *You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time."

First, he gives the impression that he was always on top of Dylan's whereabouts when he was with his friends and mentions this twice, but on the day Dylan went missing, he wasn't really concerned even though Dylan didn't leave a note and hadn't been answering his texts. He was so unconcerned, he took a nap.

Second he mentions 3 times that when he and Dylan are together, it's just them. He does throw in there that he knows Dylan's friends are important to him, but he definitely emphasizes that their time together was very important to him.

I think MR was not as accepting of Dylan wanting to be with his friends as he has tried to lead people to believe.

I'm sure that others have already made these observations, but I decided to post anyway. :seeya:

Good points. I stated this awhile ago. Dylan flys in to visit dad and the first question is , can i go and spend time with my friends . I think that would of hurt his feelings and could of been why he said no to the visit that night.

Dylan was growing up and wanted more than just dad time. Maybe he did not like this change .

 

[Eileen730]

You know I put 1000's of images because I can't remember exactly the number. I'll have to go find that info. It was a very, very high number of images. Honestly, following on the heels of the JR case, where that perp had counseling for his addition, I was a bit shocked to see this guy - who did a very short amount of time in jail for the amount of child he had - out and living in a community of families.

I'll look for that info and repost it.

Salem

Sam with the guy that killed summer Thompson!

 

[SCHMAE]

There are two books that I had been told to read at one time
The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker
Your Perfect Right by Robert Alberti

The Gift of Fear is an amazing book, it talks about how people (women in particular) ignore those hairs on the back of their neck, the red flags, the signs. Women tend to give excuses, reasoning and rational to why people do what they do because that is what they would do. Rather than listening to the inner voice that tells you to turn and run, they don't.
Your Perfect Right is about how to be assertive without being agressive. For example, a woman may tell a man, no I don't want to go out tonight I'm busy. Rather than say, no. No BTW is a complete sentence. A man hears, oh she wants to go out but she's busy tonight.

If you ever get a chance, read these.
My point is, we as women (it seems like there are a lot here) tend to not believe that someone could harm their child because we would never do that. We excuse behavior that we know is desceptive because we aren't.

Just food for thought.

DeBecker has one called Protecting the Gift that I read and it's so good. All sleuthers should read it. The " gift" is our instinct and as we grow we ignore it more and more. Small children have a keener sense of instinct than adults and society waters it down over time as they grow up. Good stuff and there are some crazy stats in there about SO's that everyone with children or grandchildren should know. One point I will never forget ( this may seem OT but really it's not because these type of people are in a LOT of the WS cases) is that an adult can meet a child molester and their own instinct never go ' off'. They can think this person is nice and great with kids and actually think they are the OPPOSITE of a child predator. The reason is our instinct will ' ping' if we are in danger. We , as adults, are never in danger from a child molester. But your child's instinct is probably working overtime. So if you meet that nice fellow but your kid is wary and reluctant, listen to the kid ! I can think back to many instances where I saw this play out with my own eyes. Back to this case MR or even ER for that matter might have had a very close acquaintance that they thought a really good friend and upright citizen that still could have been a sicko who had his eye on DR .

 

[aust amateur slueth]

IMO the threads of MRs stories are unravelling and tangling at a great rate of knots.

he was quite verbal about things that had nothing to do with Dylan being missing, but when it came down to the questions about Dylans disappearance he tripped and tangled so many times.

one that really stood out for me was when he said "the night" he quickly changed tack.

and who changes furniture around when their son is missing? thats just plain weird IMO

I'd like to see a real investigative reporter interview MR, one who is prepared and has researched the case properly, who has a quick mind that questions inconsistencies and why he avoids giving clear answers to what should be straightforward easy to answer questions.

 

[Bravo]

Today is Dylans Birthday. I just got a chance to read the Transcript from MR's Interview. IMO it is very disturbing :banghead:

 

[SCHMAE]

MR's full interview sounded perfectly reasonable and appropriate to me - especially knowing the difference between how a typical male would handle something like this vs. a typical female (internalizing vs. externalizing). I will say that when I first saw ER's brief interview, her answer to the 'did you have anything to do with this?' question looked very suspicious, but after seeing the uncut version and putting it into context, I believe her version of events as well.

I think what we are going to likely end up having here is a random crime of opportunity from hitchhiking or a forced road abduction. I really don't see runaway as an option, and a kidnapping from either the mother or father went out the window for me after I saw those interviews. I suppose it's always possible the dad did something in a fit of rage - all the while brilliantly and pathologically leaving no discernable evidence that we know of in his home, on his property, or in his autos - but I'm not seeing any hints of this through the interviews, nor am I seeing it through the known evidence or time line. Another plausible - but not probable - scenario is that he set out on foot and had an accident while taking some kind of 'off the beaten path' shortcut.

The nap is a big YIKES for me, but honestly my DH falls asleep pretty quickly any time he comes in the door from work or an outing for a ' nap'. I would like to think he would not NAP if we had a child missing, but I couldn't guarantee it. I also think MR didn't consider DR ' missing' until he realized he was not with any friends and mom had not heard from him either. So at the time of his nap he figured DR is just off doing boy things somewhere nearby. At least that is my hope. The nap is definitely not helping MR's cause at this point though.

 

[ChiTownLass]

IMO the threads of MRs stories are unravelling and tangling at a great rate of knots.

he was quite verbal about things that had nothing to do with Dylan being missing, but when it came down to the questions about Dylans disappearance he tripped and tangled so many times.

one that really stood out for me was when he said "the night" he quickly changed tack.

and who changes furniture around when their son is missing? thats just plain weird IMO

I'd like to see a real investigative reporter interview MR, one who is prepared and has researched the case properly, who has a quick mind that questions inconsistencies and why he avoids giving clear answers to what should be straightforward easy to answer questions.

BBM

Do those even exist anymore?? I don't think I have seen/read any thing remotely investigative or even anything that can be considered journalism in years. It is all just sensationalism or fluff :furious:

 

[SCHMAE]

This is actually very, very cool !
Happy Birthday Dylan !

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...7820264.144727.555378941155380&type=1&theater

 

[DylansMom34]

9News has a good investigative reporter, Jeremy Jojola. Unfortunately, he mainly covers government waste type cases. I do wish one of these news stations would put a barracuda on this case though.

 

[Dee10]

When you look at the timeline of what he has to remember it is not very complicated if your telling the truth, but he is coming across almost as a pathological liar with his 180 degree story changes. My concern about the nap is it has been a lie of omission at the least.

 

[asyousay]

I think Mark is so bitter towards Elaine that if he did do something to Dylan thet he would be able to convince himself that is all Elaine's fault anyway and he was not to blame .
:cow: :cow:

 

[TxLady2]

MR:
.. I always try at least once a week to contact him. You know I’m not going to nag him to death.

Another unfortunate choice of words?

Just chiming in here. Maybe these 'unfortunate choices of words' he has spoken only mean that he knows he is not responsible for whatever happened to Dylan, so he is not being overly careful about what he says. Guilty people will normally pick and choose carefully what they say so that they don't give something away when they speak to media or LE.

IDK. Not saying he's guilty or not, but if he is, he seems awfully relaxed, not at all tense or worried about how he comes across. JMO.

 

[DylansMom34]

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...-Join-Search-for-Dylan-Redwine-189951501.html Story about private investigators. Sorry if this was already posted.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

BBM

Do those even exist anymore?? I don't think I have seen/read any thing remotely investigative or even anything that can be considered journalism in years. It is all just sensationalism or fluff :furious:

Good question, I don't think there are many at all if they do still exist, which is just crazy IMO if there is good investigative journalism then more people are going to tune in rather than tune out like they do now.

I'm sure at least half of the websleuthers and half the public could have done a far better job at interviewing ER, MR and LE.

 

[azgrandma]

But isn't that a tool LE uses??? When a person tells a story, if they tell it exactly the same way every time it's because they've practiced it and made parts of it up, but if it changes slightly each time, it's because it's not rehearsed and it's coming from memory, so not everything is going to be said each time???

I agree that the story a person tells has slight variations. Adding a minor detail here and there as you tell it more and remember more. The variation does not change the entire direction of the story.


I got home, he wasn't there so I tried to text him & call him all afternoon, then went to his friends house.

and

I got home, he wasn't there, I took a 3 hour nap, then went to his friends house.

That's a huge variation in the story, that's not a minor detail it changes the story all together.

 

[Sigh Sister]

When you look at the timeline of what he has to remember it is not very complicated if your telling the truth, but he is coming across almost as a pathological liar with his 180 degree story changes. My concern about the nap is it has been a lie of omission at the least.

A lie of omission or a fabrication of convenience. Could it be that the nap was introduced later because he had difficulty accounting for his activities that day?I understand that his activities for that am were confirmed by LE, but not so much after he got home around 11-11:30 am. So in order to explain his delay in going to look for Dylan, he comes up with "the nap". Still not believeable, IMO, since he said he was always on top of Dylan's whereabouts.