CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[mck16]

Greetings fellow sleuths -

This is my first posting here, so I wanted to say hello and briefly introduce myself. I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I think I've read every single post in the Dylan Redwine forum. I've followed each development daily, have made pages of notes, cross-referenced information, and tried to use every ounce of knowledge, experience, and a healthy dose of intuition to help find an answer and bring Dylan home. The posted videos (especially the outtakes from the TV interviews) are very interesting.

My background includes 10+ years of search and rescue experience and although I am not law enforcement, I have spent a considerable amount of time working with police and detectives over the years. I would in no way consider myself an expert in missing persons but I've picked up a lot of knowledge over the years which will hopefully yield some insight into cases such as this. If I miss any forum rules along the way please nudge me – I definitely want to contribute in a positive fashion and following all guidelines.

Thanks!

Welcome Diveguy. So hit it. We need a new perspective here. Thanks in advance for anything you can contribute. jmo

 

[mck16]

Wait! So then this Dr. Phil show is going to be an interrogation? Rather than merely the opportunity to keep Dylan's face out there?

Well, butter my butt and call me a biscuit! This is NOT about Dylan, then, it's about making Mark look guilty. Got it.

Thank you and that is exactly what I think and what I hate. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Oh wow. You think that could be the case. It is really strange. But, it could be like the case of the LA cop gone nuts. One part of the story is that he killed a woman and her fiance. So, I was confused if it was the same case of the basketball coach and her husband that were murdered. He was in law enforcement too. Such similar stories and happening at the same time. jmo

same case. The couple he killed was the young basketball coach and her fiancé, who was a USC cop.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Okay, thanks. I just remembered at first there were reports the interviews were 2 1/2 hours. And I don't think we ever saw LE's interview did we. jmo

You mean uncut video of the LE guy? Bender I think is his name. I doubt that she will release uncut video of him unless he gives the ok and I would be surprised if he did. MOO.

 

[mck16]

same case. The couple he killed was the young basketball coach and her fiancé, who was a USC cop.

Are you kidding me. Oh no. How sad, but thanks for telling me..I have wondered all afternoon. Just can't believe it. ty

 

[TxLady2]

you beat me to it. I was just going to ask why it had Not been discussed. I thought maybe it was off limits or something. And I agree his entire message was very good especially the last part of it.

Who in the world would be so cruel as to report this horrible hoax. jmo

It is cruel, it's about the meanest thing I've seen lately. I can't imagine how twisted someone's mind would have to be to do something like this.

Yes, Mark's statement at the end was very good, very heartwarming.

 

[katydid23]

Wait! So then this Dr. Phil show is going to be an interrogation? Rather than merely the opportunity to keep Dylan's face out there?

Well, butter my butt and call me a biscuit! This is NOT about Dylan, then, it's about making Mark look guilty. Got it.

Why would an interview with Mark 'make him' look guilty?

 

[mck16]

I know - it is hard to believe people can be so mean. But then we read it all day long right here. Still.... it's just hard to believe.

And yes, I thought the message was good. We are coming for you with everything we have and we are gonna bring you home.

Maybe having the PI guy and K9 Forensics team around to offer a little support will bring out the fighter in MR. That could be a good thing.

Salem

Hate to say it, but probably why it hasn't been discussed much. It was a good thing for MR. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Are you kidding me. Oh no. How sad, but thanks for telling me..I have wondered all afternoon. Just can't believe it. ty

The young woman, who was in her 20's was the daughter of a retired LAPD captain. And he represented the killer when he was fighting his termination from LAPD.

 

[cluciano63]

Hate to say it, but probably why it hasn't been discussed much. It was a good thing for MR. jmo

That is an ABQ news station, was it in a CO story? Maybe no one saw it, I live in ABQ and I didn't see it.

 

[mck16]

That is an ABQ news station, was it in a CO story? Maybe no one saw it, I live in ABQ and I didn't see it.

The link was posted here about 4 pages back. I can go get it if you want.

 

[Lordeebee]

Fox News 11/24/12:
La Plata County Sheriff's Office spokesman Dan Bender says Mark Redwine told investigators that he saw his son Monday about 7:30 a.m. The boy was gone when Redwine returned after running errands.

Durango Herald 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Cortez Journal 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Pikes Peak Parent 12/3/12:
“He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, ‘OK, I understand.’ The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon. There’s a substantial distance between my house and the lake, so it doesn’t make sense that he would walk out, but he’s a 13-year-old boy, and who knows what they think sometimes?”

Uncut Video 12/1/2012
If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.

Uncut Video 2/4/13
You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him..
..Yeah, “Dylan I’m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me … call me when you get up… if there’s anything you need.”

There are so many questions imo about these various accounts of that morning, but I'll just ask a few,(and if any of you would like to add to mine, please feel free)

1) Do these all mean the same thing and MR is just using different wording to describe
his recollection? But if so,
2) Wouldn't most of us, if we had a child missing, be able to recall EXACTLY what we
last said to them and what they said to us? I would think you would be dwelling on
that last exchange.
3) In the first uncut video, if Dylan KNEW that MR would be coming back and then
working on getting him to his friend's house, doesn't that mean that Dylan was
awake enough to say, i.e. "ok dad I get it, go ahead and go and I'll see you later."?
And if he was that awake, why didn't he just go with his dad right then?
4) Why were they discussing the previous night whether Dylan would wake up or not?
And then like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Dylan could not wake up.
5) In the second uncut video, "..trying to get Dylan to wake up - - ..and helping him"
What was he helping Dylan with? Standing up? Putting his clothes on?

Ok, that's more than a few, but really I keep seeing more and more inconsistencies.

 

[katydid23]

Greetings fellow sleuths -

This is my first posting here, so I wanted to say hello and briefly introduce myself. I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I think I've read every single post in the Dylan Redwine forum. I've followed each development daily, have made pages of notes, cross-referenced information, and tried to use every ounce of knowledge, experience, and a healthy dose of intuition to help find an answer and bring Dylan home. The posted videos (especially the outtakes from the TV interviews) are very interesting.

My background includes 10+ years of search and rescue experience and although I am not law enforcement, I have spent a considerable amount of time working with police and detectives over the years. I would in no way consider myself an expert in missing persons but I've picked up a lot of knowledge over the years which will hopefully yield some insight into cases such as this. If I miss any forum rules along the way please nudge me – I definitely want to contribute in a positive fashion and following all guidelines.

Thanks!

GREAT first post. And :welcome: to WS. :fireworks:

 

[mck16]

Fox News 11/24/12:
La Plata County Sheriff's Office spokesman Dan Bender says Mark Redwine told investigators that he saw his son Monday about 7:30 a.m. The boy was gone when Redwine returned after running errands.

Durango Herald 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Cortez Journal 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Pikes Peak Parent 12/3/12:
“He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, ‘OK, I understand.’ The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon. There’s a substantial distance between my house and the lake, so it doesn’t make sense that he would walk out, but he’s a 13-year-old boy, and who knows what they think sometimes?”

Uncut Video 12/1/2012
If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.

Uncut Video 2/4/13
You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him..
..Yeah, “Dylan I’m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me … call me when you get up… if there’s anything you need.”

There are so many questions imo about these various accounts of that morning, but I'll just ask a few,(and if any of you would like to add to mine, please feel free)

1) Do these all mean the same thing and MR is just using different wording to describe
his recollection? But if so,
2) Wouldn't most of us, if we had a child missing, be able to recall EXACTLY what we
last said to them and what they said to us? I would think you would be dwelling on
that last exchange.
3) In the first uncut video, if Dylan KNEW that MR would be coming back and then
working on getting him to his friend's house, doesn't that mean that Dylan was
awake enough to say, i.e. "ok dad I get it, go ahead and go and I'll see you later."?
And if he was that awake, why didn't he just go with his dad right then?
4) Why were they discussing the previous night whether Dylan would wake up or not?
And then like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Dylan could not wake up.
5) In the second uncut video, "..trying to get Dylan to wake up - - ..and helping him"
What was he helping Dylan with? Standing up? Putting his clothes on?

Ok, that's more than a few, but really I keep seeing more and more inconsistencies.

At the very beginning in one of the first interviews MR said he rattled around the house making noise trying to wake DR up. I think this is exactly what happened and I think DR was kind of awake. Maybe not totally awake, but enough that he could acknowledge what his dad was saying and he responded with okay. As in go away and let me sleep. jmo

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Fox News 11/24/12:
La Plata County Sheriff's Office spokesman Dan Bender says Mark Redwine told investigators that he saw his son Monday about 7:30 a.m. The boy was gone when Redwine returned after running errands.

Durango Herald 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Cortez Journal 11/28/12:
Mark Redwine said he was going to give Dylan a ride to his friends’ house and tried to wake him up when he left Monday morning, but said he was “out like a light.”

Pikes Peak Parent 12/3/12:
“He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, ‘OK, I understand.’ The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon. There’s a substantial distance between my house and the lake, so it doesn’t make sense that he would walk out, but he’s a 13-year-old boy, and who knows what they think sometimes?”

Uncut Video 12/1/2012
If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.

Uncut Video 2/4/13
You know, I spent 45 minutes… an hour… trying to get Dylan to wake up and, you know, and helping him… saying, you know, “Dylan, I’m going down,” ‘cos he had talked to me about going to see his friend, Ryan …that morning, but he wasn’t having no part of it… which is not uncommon for him..
..Yeah, “Dylan I’m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me … call me when you get up… if there’s anything you need.”

There are so many questions imo about these various accounts of that morning, but I'll just ask a few,(and if any of you would like to add to mine, please feel free)

1) Do these all mean the same thing and MR is just using different wording to describe
his recollection? But if so,
2) Wouldn't most of us, if we had a child missing, be able to recall EXACTLY what we
last said to them and what they said to us? I would think you would be dwelling on
that last exchange.
3) In the first uncut video, if Dylan KNEW that MR would be coming back and then
working on getting him to his friend's house, doesn't that mean that Dylan was
awake enough to say, i.e. "ok dad I get it, go ahead and go and I'll see you later."?
And if he was that awake, why didn't he just go with his dad right then?
4) Why were they discussing the previous night whether Dylan would wake up or not?
And then like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Dylan could not wake up.
5) In the second uncut video, "..trying to get Dylan to wake up - - ..and helping him"
What was he helping Dylan with? Standing up? Putting his clothes on?

Ok, that's more than a few, but really I keep seeing more and more inconsistencies.

I think they all mean the same thing. Answers are going to be different depending on the way questions are worded. The reporters may also have reworded or shortened his statements. In the more detailed interviews, where he is on camera, I think his words may be choppy because he is nervous. I used to get like this and have trouble getting my words out and stumble if I had to speak in front of others. I don't really think MR would have any camera experience. As far as the statement about him helping him, I think he is referring to trying to help him wake up.

 

[Confusion]

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There are so many questions imo about these various accounts of that morning, but I'll just ask a few,(and if any of you would like to add to mine, please feel free)

1) Do these all mean the same thing and MR is just using different wording to describe
his recollection? But if so,
2) Wouldn't most of us, if we had a child missing, be able to recall EXACTLY what we
last said to them and what they said to us? I would think you would be dwelling on
that last exchange.
3) In the first uncut video, if Dylan KNEW that MR would be coming back and then
working on getting him to his friend's house, doesn't that mean that Dylan was
awake enough to say, i.e. "ok dad I get it, go ahead and go and I'll see you later."?
And if he was that awake, why didn't he just go with his dad right then?
4) Why were they discussing the previous night whether Dylan would wake up or not?
And then like a self-fulfilling prophecy, Dylan could not wake up.
5) In the second uncut video, "..trying to get Dylan to wake up - - ..and helping him"
What was he helping Dylan with? Standing up? Putting his clothes on?

Ok, that's more than a few, but really I keep seeing more and more inconsistencies.

BBM

I don't know why it would have to mean he said that. Just saying, "Yeah, okay." could be enough to make him think that what he said was understood, even if it wasn't really. I don't see how they're inconsistencies.

ETA: I thought he meant he was trying to wake him up to "help him" get to see his friends. More like, I was doing it to help him not myself kind of thing, but other interpretations probably make more sense.

 

[Lordeebee]

At the very beginning in one of the first interviews MR said he rattled around the house making noise trying to wake DR up. I think this is exactly what happened and I think DR was kind of awake. Maybe not totally awake, but enough that he could acknowledge what his dad was saying and he responded with okay. As in go away and let me sleep. jmo

So that means that we just discount all of the other versions? I can understand that if it's a matter of different media stories, but the majority of these are straight from MR's mouth.

 

[mmmagique]

I get that, but is it necessary to do it on a public facebook page? I mean, really?

I believe it's about transparency. If they did it on the downlow, and Mark turned them down, and they talked about it, it would be considered rumour. But since they've done it publicly, the ball is now in Mark's court.

Tacky doesn't mean a thing when you've got a child missing. I'd be tackier than Honey Boo boo's mama if it meant finding my child. For real.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't see these as inconsistencies. I think he is just wording the events of the morning differently in each account. He is still saying the same thing. He tried to wake Dylan up and he didn't want to get up.

I think if he worded everything with the exact same phrase, every time someone different ask him about the events of the morning, it would be more suspicious, like it was rehearsed.

 

[Lordeebee]

I don't see these as inconsistencies. I think he is just wording the events of the morning differently in each account. He is still saying the same thing. He tried to wake Dylan up and he didn't want to get up.

I think if he worded everything with the exact same phrase, every time someone different ask him about the events of the morning, it would be more suspicious, like it was rehearsed.

I thought a lot about that same thing - that there's no way a person could remember an exact conversation. And then on top of that to repeat that conversation verbatim each time it was recounted. But when I really tried to put myself in his place - realizing that my child was missing - I think I would remember exactly what was said because those were the last words uttered. Just like when a loved one dies, and people say, "these were our last words to each other.."