CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[The Cheese]

Im talking about when he comes home at 11 30 and finds Dylan gone why didnt he send Elaine a text asking if she had heard from him and knew where he was?
He takes a nap instead!

then calls her at 5 and tells her hes missing have you heard from him it was a little late dont you agree?

Oh sorry. I didn't realize you meant at 11:30.

Do you have a link to him calling (or even texting) ER at 5 (or anytime thereabouts) and telling her Dylan was missing? I just posted Elaine herself stating what the contents of 4:30 text were, and she says specifically what MR said to her.

 

[Eileen730]

See, he either knows that he is totally safe or departed because I see no urgency on his part to look for him.

No urgency at all!

 

[The Cheese]

And how do you know he was footloose and fancy free by the parent he spent most of his time with?

Respectfully snipped to part I haven't already replied to -

I was very careful to put the :twocents: in that post so everyone would know it was my opinion, versus something I was claiming as a fact.

 

[Eileen730]

Oh sorry. I didn't realize you meant at 11:30.

Do you have a link to him calling (or even texting) ER at 5 (or anytime thereabouts) and telling her Dylan was missing? I just posted Elaine herself stating what the contents of 4:30 text were, and she says specifically what MR said to her.

NO Just elaine saying he sent her a tex .

Im just saying alot of time was lost while MR was napping!


Im reading the same things you are lol i just have a diff theory than you but thats why we are here right?

 

[SuperMom1995]

Dr. Phil's show had 4.287 million viewers (on average) for the week Baby Lisa's parents were on.
The most recent ratings were 4.399 million for last week.

So, for all of those people who do watch the show, it gets Dylan's face out there and so if he is alive and in a different state, maybe someone will see him or remember an important clue.

 

[Eileen730]

Respectfully snipped to part I haven't already replied to -

I was very careful to put the :twocents: in that post so everyone would know it was my opinion, versus something I was claiming as a fact.

I have two boys and at 13 you can drop them off at one kids house and by 5 o clock they will have been to 4 different houses. Many times they decide to spend the night at someones house so you say let me know where you end up for the night...Kids this age usuall trave on bikes or rely on parents to drop off or pick up. I dont see footloos or facy free here i see normal.
This is also why we buy our children these cell phones.

Im not trying to argue with ya Cheese. but he didnt go missing in Colorado springs with Elaine. JMO and my :twocents::truce:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

See, he either knows that he is totally safe or departed because I see no urgency on his part to look for him.

And this to me is what's so disturbing. If he's innocent then he must believe someone abducted Dylan right? Why no urgency in finding him?

 

[catswhiskers]

bold is mine -

Elaine has said several times that Mark did send her a text asking her if she had heard from Dylan.

If I texted one of my kids when they were Dylan's age, and I didn't hear back from them, I wouldn't just go to bed as I assume Elaine did. I'd contact my ex-spouse. I just could not sleep until I knew my child was safe.

The next morning, Elaine texted Dylan again. He didn't respond. I wouldn't have just gone to work or stayed at work and done nothing - I'd have contacted my ex-spouse. I can't imagine letting it go until the next day, and I can't imagine not trying to find out where my child was and what he was doing.

There's also that report that even after Mark texted Elaine and asked her if she had heard from Dylan, she completed her workday before going to Durango, so for sure, she wasn't worried about Dylan's status. I can't imagine calling the sheriff because my child was missing, and then finishing out my work day before I went looking for him.

The norm for Dylan from both his parents was not to hold him accountable, not to look for him. Also see Elaine on NG 12/3 where she says Dylan would just text her at night to tell her where he landed for the night. She also says he didn't always text her at night.

Dylan was let to be footloose and fancy free by the parent he spent most of his time with - Elaine - and possibly by his father too. The latter is hard for me to determine though since Elaine and Cory keep saying that Dylan didn't spend much time with Mark in the 3 yrs prior to his disappearance, and there's only the one incident to reference for Mark. That one incident may have been the exception rather than the rule. I don't know yet.

:twocents:

Thankyou, and I agree totally.
There are many little inconsistencies in details from both sides here. I have said several times that I do not believe ER is at fault in any way, nor am I criticising her parenting - but comparisons have been made in the interest of fairness, just to point out the different standards being applied to both parents.
ER has implied that Dylan didn't always call her back, and her own comments about him usually letting her know where he landed for the night tell a story about how much freedom Dylan had in terms of getting about with friends and presumably checking in at the end of the day. I can't imagine waiting to hear from either of my sons to find out where they are spending the night. I'm not judging her at all - Dylan must love having the freedom to move around with his friends.
I guess my point is that the same should apply to MR. If he didn't panic about Dylan's absence when he got home, surely it's the same thing - he probably assumed he would see or hear from him eventually. I'm not sure why the fuss is being made about the nap either? I'm probably close to MR's age and it's the subject of great amusement lately that I seem to be in need of "nanna naps" most afternoons after I get home from work. This afternoon for example I had my usual little "Yay, it's the weekend!" moment when I got home, and sat here on my bed with my laptop and settled in for a catch up read here on WS. Seriously - I woke up 4 hours later! No dinner cooked - we ended up having sandwiches instead of what I had planned. Maybe MR flopped on the couch in front of a game on tv, or with the newspaper and fell asleep.

I do not understand why his every action and word is held up as something potentially sinister.
:moo:

 

[azgrandma]

Fair enough, but wasn't the FBI involved in his official interrogation?

Just got to work, so now I can catch up
FBI was not involved with the initial interrogation, that was the Marshall's office - he reported DR missing so they would be asking plenty of questions. He may have also talked with other LE but FBI did not get involved for several days.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

bold is mine -

Elaine has said several times that Mark did send her a text asking her if she had heard from Dylan.

he didn't send her a text when he got home, he waited at least 4 hours or more before texting her.

If I texted one of my kids when they were Dylan's age, and I didn't hear back from them, I wouldn't just go to bed as I assume Elaine did. I'd contact my ex-spouse. I just could not sleep until I knew my child was safe.

she knew that Dylan had arrived and been picked up by MR, so why would she think he wasn't safe?

The next morning, Elaine texted Dylan again. He didn't respond. I wouldn't have just gone to work or stayed at work and done nothing - I'd have contacted my ex-spouse. I can't imagine letting it go until the next day, and I can't imagine not trying to find out where my child was and what he was doing.

Dylan had been in his fathers care for less than 24 hours, she should not need to be chasing contact, non custodial parents don't like it when they think the custodial parent is checking up on them.

There's also that report that even after Mark texted Elaine and asked her if she had heard from Dylan, she completed her workday before going to Durango, so for sure, she wasn't worried about Dylan's status. I can't imagine calling the sheriff because my child was missing, and then finishing out my work day before I went looking for him.

what report is that? can you please provide a link because I've never heard that before. IIRC it was close to 5pm when she received the text from MR, how much more of her work day would there have been? she was over 5 hours away from where Dylan disappeared, what difference would it have made if she left at 4.30 or 5pm? should she have flown instead of driven to save a lot of time in getting there too?

The norm for Dylan from both his parents was not to hold him accountable, not to look for him. Also see Elaine on NG 12/3 where she says Dylan would just text her at night to tell her where he landed for the night. She also says he didn't always text her at night.

again can you please provide a link to that. Have her comments been interpreted correctly or have people jumped to conclusions? was she was referring to when Dylan was with his father that he would text her where he landed for the night or just in general? and did he not always text her at night when with his father or at a friends place for the night, if she knew who he was with I don't think its odd that he didn't always text her at night, because when kids are at sleepovers or with their father they don't always ring or text Mom.

Dylan was let to be footloose and fancy free by the parent he spent most of his time with - Elaine - and possibly by his father too. The latter is hard for me to determine though since Elaine and Cory keep saying that Dylan didn't spend much time with Mark in the 3 yrs prior to his disappearance, and there's only the one incident to reference for Mark. That one incident may have been the exception rather than the rule. I don't know yet.

:twocents:

I've added my comments in bold

 

[TxLady2]

I don't know, everyone is different. In the case of a missing child as time passed and you started to realize that something was really wrong, shock may set in and your adrenaline takes over. I don't know how clouded your memory may be or if it differs (most likely) for each person. I could see just giving a quick answer to a basic question and then later as you thought more and more, trying to recount any details that would help to find answers, you would remember more specific details.

Also, he was really being pressured because everyone was accusing him of holding back information. Maybe he was trying to be as detailed as possible, especially in the last interview.

Well, the thing to remember is, he's not being interrogated when he is speaking in these interviews. When LE is interviewing someone, they expect them to tell a story a little different each time, because if the person recounts it exactly the same, over and over, never adding anything or changing a word here and there, then that's a big red flag. It tells them the story is manufactured, rehearsed.
Nobody is going to remember every word that was said, and how it was said in any conversation, regardless of the circumstances. Something like a child missing would cause a lot of parents' minds to go blank, not being able to remember very much of anything at first. Then as time goes by, little details start to come back to them, and the memory starts to fill in the blanks.

 

[catswhiskers]

I've added my comments in bold

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

 

[Eileen730]

Well, the thing to remember is, he's not being interrogated when he is speaking in these interviews. When LE is interviewing someone, they expect them to tell a story a little different each time, because if the person recounts it exactly the same, over and over, never adding anything or changing a word here and there, then that's a big red flag. It tells them the story is manufactured, rehearsed.
Nobody is going to remember every word that was said, and how it was said in any conversation, regardless of the circumstances. Something like a child missing would cause a lot of parents' minds to go blank, not being able to remember very much of anything at first. Then as time goes by, little details start to come back to them, and the memory starts to fill in the blanks.

I think if your reliving something that actually happend it pretty much stays the same. Lies change because the mind dosent remember the event.

 

[jjenny]

Well, the thing to remember is, he's not being interrogated when he is speaking in these interviews. When LE is interviewing someone, they expect them to tell a story a little different each time, because if the person recounts it exactly the same, over and over, never adding anything or changing a word here and there, then that's a big red flag. It tells them the story is manufactured, rehearsed.
Nobody is going to remember every word that was said, and how it was said in any conversation, regardless of the circumstances. Something like a child missing would cause a lot of parents' minds to go blank, not being able to remember very much of anything at first. Then as time goes by, little details start to come back to them, and the memory starts to fill in the blanks.

It's the opposite. Memory doesn't get better with time. It gets worse. People remember more details at first than later.

 

[azgrandma]

Are we talking the texts that he supposedly did not reply to that they posted?

Of course this is after ER and her groupies gave out MR's cell phone number, his email addy, they created multiple FB accounts and usernames, all of which I am sure LE has copies of besides monitoring the multiple FB accounts and usernames, has used CR as her messenger amoung other things, just to be able to state to the press he is doing nothing to find Dylan.

Her get out of jail cards are all used up in my books.

BBM - Respectfully, is there verification that ER did any of those actions mentioned? IMO, nobody is responsible for another persons actions. If ER posted that info, shame on her. If the "groupies" posted that info, shame on them but ER is not responsible for their actions.
Cory is an adult, he is responsible for his own actions, not ER. My children are adults and I can't convince them to do things that they don't want to do in the first place. Wouldn't even try. I do tell them if I support their decisions or not but I can't stop them or make them.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well it's actually pretty easy. Think Elizabeth Smart. She was in public all the time, yes with her face covered, but she could have run any time. They control with fear. Once Dylan is under their control for 2 months time, they can easily have him brainwashed into believe things like ' i 'll kill ur family / friends etc if you ever run off ' . I'm hoping that is not the case, but these sickos are pretty crafty at gaining control !

And how did we all learn about Elizabeth Smart? Television!! If there's any chance Dylan is out there people need to know his face. Yes her face was covered in public, but if Dylan is out there being held captive there is the slight chance that eventually whomever is holding him might eventually take him out in public. If this is in Florida, Texas or heck even Colorado, how many people even know about Dylan?

The bike being outside MR's house when LE searched has always bothered me. Did MR leave that out 24/7 especially with him being gone on the road so much? Was it staged? Did LE ask him to pull the bike out of the garage so they could look at it?

I think the reason the offer from MH was posted on FB is because last I heard MR had blocked Elaine and Cory's calls. I don't know that they have any other way to get a message to him.

 

[The Cheese]

Fair enough, but wasn't the FBI involved in his official interrogation?

Not just the FBI! -

Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case – made up of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshal’s Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation – after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/Investigators-end-search-of-house

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And I have to agree with azgrandma in that much of what is being posted on FB is way beyond Elaine or Cory's control. The way I've seen it (and I don't go there often) those closest to Elaine and running the official page have been trying to keep it pretty classy. What is said on other pages is beyond Elaine's control so I think we can hardly call them 'Elaine's groupies'.

 

[YidArmyRach]

O/T slightly, but I just looked at the FMDR page and its horrible. Post after post of people slagging off MR and saying all sorts of awful things about him, and accusations about his parenting skills etc. IF he is innocent in all of this, I hope he sues anyone who has said anything untrue.

At the present time, this man is innocent in the eyes of the law (regardless of how suspicious the time line and phone pings are) and LE haven't arrested him so far. Secondly, how is any of that helping find Dylan? If posters are that interested in the case they press "like" and spend time commenting on a FB page to slag off MR, why not use their time productively and hand out flyers or raise awareness of Dylan's disappearance?

 

[Eileen730]

We really need to stop picking apart these parents re: parenting.
this couple it seems have major problems with each other which we are not privy to.

I do not think Elaine nor Cory or M. Hall went and kidnapped dylan they would have just NOT put him on that plane and let Mark go to his lawyer and fight her and possibly put her in jail. but she sent him. she was obeying the law. she was doing what she had to do. If they drove all the way to Vallecito to pick him up they would have said so and EXPLAINED why to the authorities. Why make him a missing person it makes no sense.

Now what happend once Dylan got to Durango is anyones guess. why his cell phone had no activity. why all his things are gone? Why didnt MR wait till Dylan got up and they both went to town why make 2 trips. why take a nap why wait so long. Hes NOT THERE and he should be! Your out in the middle of NO WHERE.

So where did he go?