CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[Deleted member 39678]

often the extended family shows a presence of support or even acts as spokesperson.

So if they don't, what does that mean?

 

[Seajay]

Originally Posted by Seajay View Post
"She accused him and cursed him out in the text exchange when he text her and asked her if she had heard from Dylan on that Monday. It started then."



Sorry I don't know how to do the double quote thing. I am still curious about this. Can anyone direct me to this info or where to look?

Found it! It was posted by The Cheese.

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Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know what ER did or did not text, but I am pretty sure my first response to a text from ex asking if I knew where my child was, when he was supposed to be safely with ex, would include a few WTF's.

 

[mijamawi]

often the extended family shows a presence of support or even acts as spokesperson.

Considering the family who is renting his other home is being harassed and their property is being trespassed on, AND they have nothing to do with anything whatsoever, would you stand up and be a spokesperson for MR? JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

The statement and link are upthread. Somewhere around page 24 or 25, I believe. I think it was posted by mija.

ETA: I found it, it was by The Cheese

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

On day one ? Before they went to the police to report him missing?

 

[absentia]

in RE: to - "all hell broke loose" -
why on earth would all hell not break loose? how could he think ER would be like, oh, ok, whatever. I'm sure he's ok. I mean, just DR being missing is hell breaking loose. Once again, MR triggers ER and then uses her reaction against her as if it isn't a totally natural reaction, and expected, and deserved regardless of MR's guilt or innocence. this is abuser behavior and tactics. then, oh, poor me - my ex is being a B*tch and totally unreasonable. pity party.
sorry dude. it's not flying.

 

[Seajay]

What exactly does he do for work? And is it still with United Pipelines? Because that company would not have long distance truck drivers and haulers based on what their website indicates that they do. They maintain and rehabilitate pipes with their own brand of pipe liner. I would assume this is contract work in certain areas where existing pipes need maintenance. Has he been working on a large contract job in New Mexico for the past few years? How does that equate to driving trucks for 3 weeks straight at a time? And why is MR's job and living situation when he's not in Colorado such a big secret? Wasn't he the one who accused ER of trying to keep her job a secret?

:waitasec:

MOO

I don't know, do you know??? It's been talked about often here. He works at United Pipeline apparently and he does whatever there, drives a truck maybe, whatever. The point is, he took flyers to work to give to the other drivers so that flyers about his son's disappearance was getting out to wherever these guys went.

And when you look at it, it's better that both are working independently rather than on the same thing because there are two fronts going of getting the word out. Elaine and Cory are working one angle, Mark another one. He's still doing what he can do to get awareness of his missing child. IMO

 

[mijamawi]

I don't know what ER did or did not text, but I am pretty sure my first response to a text from ex asking if I knew where my child was, when he was supposed to be safely with ex, would include a few WTF's.

Not that it changes anything, but did he specifically ask if she knew where he was, or did he ask if she'd heard from him? Just curious if we heard definitively on that.

 

[absentia]

Would it have been odd if he said, "I didn't kill Dylan" when asked if he had anything to do with his disappearance?

yes. if you claim you don't have knowledge of something or didn't so something, stating something specific and definitive in the negative is an indication that's exactly what happened.

 

[azgrandma]

Originally Posted by SCHMAE
MR is in the very unique position
of knowing much more about Dylan's fate than any of us and ER as well

No. He's not. He's consistently stated eleventy billion times already that he doesn't know what happened to Dylan. That is no more a unique position than Elaine saying she doesn't know what happened to Dylan. That others think he is in a unique position despite facts, evidence, or objective reasoning doesn't make it so.
He's hired a PI, gives individual interviews, and cooperates fully with LE. That is more than enough for an objective individual to infer genuineness in his claims, as well as deduce that he isn't falling prey to the diversion his mob of critics insist on continually perpetuating.

BBM - I put Schmae's post so that everything is out there. MR is in a unique position, only MR and DR know what happened Sunday and Monday. ER wasn't there, so she has no knowledge. DR isn't with us so he's not talking. MR is the only one that KNOWS the answers to many questions.
ER was hundreds of miles away, she was not the last person KNOWN to see her son, so she does NOT know as much as MR and she is in a unique position. She is in a less unique position than MR, he knows how time was spent, ER doesn't IMO that makes it unique.
MR has not hired a PI, he accepted the pro bono services of a PI and IMO the credibility of a PI that post info on fb and challenges people on fb, is probably not the best of resources. All IMO, but I personally would not hire nor accept the services of someone that handles an important case, MY MISSING SON, as a fb challenge.
As far as genuineness in his claims, that IMO is up to each individual to accept or decline. I am a rational person and I do not see anything genuine in MR's comments. Before anyone says that I am the bitter ex or the jaded ex, or my opinion is tainted. Please let me mention, I have been divorced from MR for a number of years. There are few things in my life that I consider the best things in life. My children, they are the best thing, my grandchildren are the best thing. Filing for divorce and getting away from MR was a best thing.
I have had many years to "get over" the divorce, I'm well over it. I personally could give a rats arse what MR does or doesn't do in his life, that's not and has never been my concern. MY concern comes in where this impacts ME and MY family. NOTHING I have thought or said about MR has been about bitterness, jaded, whatever, it has been about life......like it or leave it, accept or not, it's the life we lived. It hasn't left us and it has reared it's ugly head in ways that can't be imagined. The thought that my comments are tainted by my marriage / divorce vs the experience in the marriage / divorce are absurd.
I can tell you from first hand experience NOTHING about MR that I have seen so far is genuine.

 

[SCHMAE]

I don't know what ER did or did not text, but I am pretty sure my first response to a text from ex asking if I knew where my child was, when he was supposed to be safely with ex, would include a few WTF's.

Well then you would be justifiably ignored from that moment on !
Right?

 

[SmoothOperator]

Continuing my thoughts on particular points, issues, or statements that stood out to me in the interviews from the other day(which i didnt get past posting about the first 90+ seconds of dad's interview in my being disturbed by his statements made)..

Another of many interesting points was his repeatedly speaking as tho Dylan is of his own free will, and even IMO indicating that Dylan in a way is responsible for their present situation.. What I mean is that he speaks several times this way stating that Dylan needs to reach out to SOMEONE!..Mark goes further in saying that he(Mark) doesn't care if Dylan chooses to reach out to mom or Cory..just that he needs to reach out, contact SOMEONE! To pick up the phone to let SOMEONE KNOW HE IS OK..??!?..again, this isn't just one brief, fleeting thought or statement mentioned in the interview..this same thought, particular frame of mind is expressed at several different points in the interview..

In the last instance where Mark Redwine once again goes to this particular train of thought about Dylan's needing to contact someone to let them know he's OK.. IMO he appears as tho there's a moment he realizes what he's saying and he alters this train of thought ever so slightly by again placing responsibility Dylan's way, but yet with the acknowledgement that he isn't completely of his own free will.. He says that Dylan needs to find a way to use a phone and pray to his abductors that they'll let him go.

IMO This repeated thought is expressing Dylan as being a part of..or atleast sharing a part of the responsibility for their being in this horrible situation.. IMO yes, to me it is illogical, but Mark Redwine IS NOT the first person to ever express this train of thought where the unavailable victim is of their own free will and for some reason is just refusing to not reach out and contact someone to let them know they are OK.. IMO I personally find this disturbing...to each their own if they choose to see it differently.

When asked about what he thought when he returned to an empty house with no Dylan he says there was no concern he figured he'd walked off over across the street to the lake...or just walked off over there to that campground...

Mark Redwine tells MB that he did NOT find it at all strange or unusual when asked his thoughts on seeing not only that Dylan was gone but that EVERYTHING he had with him was gone as well(backpack, clothes, electronic devices, chargers, etc).. He goes onto say that he assumed that in Dylan's having gone off to hang at his friends that it would have included his spending the night..

MB continues along this same subject of the backpack and asks Mark, since Dylan had chosen to take EVERYTHING with him, leaving behind nothing at the house, did he think that was indicative of Dylan willingly leaving and it being with someone Dylan knew... His reply threw me a little in his saying that he had a real hard time believing that a kid would take ALL of his stuff with him in his backpack JUST TO GO SPEND THE NIGHT WITH FRIENDS..going further in saying he knew DYLAN and Dylan wouldn't have cared or needed to take ALL of his things with him...well...OK, then...but Marks statement IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING was that he found nothing even the least bit unusual that Dylan's backpack and everything he'd brought with him was gone due to Mark's assuming it was cuz he went to spend the night at his friends house..??

Moving right along .. as I previously noted Mark again brings it back around to Elaine and about her whining about his not willing to talk with her and Cory and how that's just not true.. The next words out of his mouth were again something that gave me pause...like a WTF pause.. He says, "Being a mom I can only imagine their focus is trying to find ____________________." Now IMO I was totally expecting that blank to be filled with THEIR CHILD. or something similar... Nope, Mark Redwine filled in the blank with SOMEONE TO BLAME.....Wtf??.. yes, Mark says, "Being a mom I can only imagine their focus is trying to find SOMEONE TO BLAME AND IT'S EASY TO BLAME ME."... His thoughts are that as a mom of a child who is MISSING AND HAS BEEN MISSING FOR TWO MONTHS that her MAIN FOCUS is to find SOMEONE TO BLAME(and of course in this case that just happens to be him)... not that mom's main focus would be TO FIND HER CHILD..MUCH DIFFERENT mom's focus is ON HIM... Disturbing to say the least!

He goes onto say that "in Elaine's eyes" he was the last to see Dylan.. ummmm..nooo, Mark its not "in Elaine's eyes"..its just you were the last to see him, period... My God!..its just ME, ME, ME! and ELAINE, ELAINE, ELAINE! jmo.

And IMO its just that, that the ENTIRE HORRIFIC NIGHTMARE IS ABOUT..that this all revolves around...that this all is due to... HIM....And ELAINE! IMO it is the entire nucleus ...its what's at the heart of this horrific situation. There so much more, but why even babble on about it when IMO the heart of the matter is ME, ME, ME...ELAINE, ELAINE, ELAINE.

Jmo and nada damn thing more or less.

 

[absentia]

Well then you would be justifiably ignored from that moment on !
Right?

you are being facetious. please!

 

[Seajay]

There is no link or msm for it . It was an assumption based on MR saying ' all hell broke loose'' when he texted ER to tell them their son was missing. SO it's now assumed and taken as fact that means she was swearing at him and accusing him !

No, that is not true. I have provided the link upthread on this page twice now in the past few minutes. Here it is again.

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

To the mods: I'm not spamming. It seems everyone keeps asking about this over and over again and I'm answering their requests.

 

[Tonto]

I don't know what ER did or did not text, but I am pretty sure my first response to a text from ex asking if I knew where my child was, when he was supposed to be safely with ex, would include a few WTF's.

I suppose afterwards it's only natural for folks to also expect - no demand - the ex-husband to put aside all of the public rants, accusations, hostile messages, organized mobs, and years-old angst and bitterness, and appear with his ex-wife on national television. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[mijamawi]

yes. if you claim you don't have knowledge of something or didn't so something, stating something specific and definitive in the negative is an indication that's exactly what happened.

I agree, thanks.

 

[absentia]

Originally Posted by SCHMAE
MR is in the very unique position
of knowing much more about Dylan's fate than any of us and ER as well



BBM - I put Schmae's post so that everything is out there. MR is in a unique position, only MR and DR know what happened Sunday and Monday. ER wasn't there, so she has no knowledge. DR isn't with us so he's not talking. MR is the only one that KNOWS the answers to many questions.
ER was hundreds of miles away, she was not the last person KNOWN to see her son, so she does NOT know as much as MR and she is in a unique position. She is in a less unique position than MR, he knows how time was spent, ER doesn't IMO that makes it unique.
MR has not hired a PI, he accepted the pro bono services of a PI and IMO the credibility of a PI that post info on fb and challenges people on fb, is probably not the best of resources. All IMO, but I personally would not hire nor accept the services of someone that handles an important case, MY MISSING SON, as a fb challenge.
As far as genuineness in his claims, that IMO is up to each individual to accept or decline. I am a rational person and I do not see anything genuine in MR's comments. Before anyone says that I am the bitter ex or the jaded ex, or my opinion is tainted. Please let me mention, I have been divorced from MR for a number of years. There are few things in my life that I consider the best things in life. My children, they are the best thing, my grandchildren are the best thing. Filing for divorce and getting away from MR was a best thing.
I have had many years to "get over" the divorce, I'm well over it. I personally could give a rats arse what MR does or doesn't do in his life, that's not and has never been my concern. MY concern comes in where this impacts ME and MY family. NOTHING I have thought or said about MR has been about bitterness, jaded, whatever, it has been about life......like it or leave it, accept or not, it's the life we lived. It hasn't left us and it has reared it's ugly head in ways that can't be imagined. The thought that my comments are tainted by my marriage / divorce vs the experience in the marriage / divorce are absurd.
I can tell you from first hand experience NOTHING about MR that I have seen so far is genuine.

I am seeing a lot of "blame the victim" behavior from MR. Would you say that's accurate of him? Otherwise it's gotta be narcissism?

 

[SCHMAE]

you are being facetious. please!

Actually no I'm not. Many have stated that it's perfectly ok for MR to
ignore ER indefinitely because she blew up his phone with ' harassing' texts
so according to Clu's statement that would be a good enough reason to
just ignore ER from now on apparently. I'm not being facetious. It sounds
facetious because it's so ridiculous. But apparently its' acceptable behavior
between adults who've had a bad marriage and now hate each other.
Strange days !

 

[Salem]

If they would need to get approval from ER, then they would need to get approval from MR as well. I guess I'm confused as to why it is thought that ER released those documents and/or approved for them to be used. If "parties involved" need to approve, then it would have been both ER & MR.

My point is, court records, unless sealed by the court for a variety of safety reasons, are public records. All that needs to be done is to contact the courts, ask for the records, pay the fee and it's done. Same with police records, public record. Police records are the report portion, not the entire investigation.

This conversation may be over already, but just in case it is not, azgrandma is right here - court records are public records unless sealed. Our sleuths found those records before they were released by 9WantsToKnow media but couldn't post them here until the story broke, which is generally what happens.

There was no need to get any approval from anybody.

Salem

 

[SCHMAE]

No, that is not true. I have provided the link upthread on this page twice now in the past few minutes. Here it is again.

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...ly-for-Dylan--

To the mods: I'm not spamming. It seems everyone keeps asking about this over and over again and I'm answering their requests.

Sorry Seajay , agreeing to disagree !