CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[ShyViolet]

I could hear the one friend say it was one time, but there's so much wind and noise, I can't hear what the other friend said. What did the other friend say? Thanks.

It is hard to hear and not all of it is audible for me.

What is audible is that R says he saw Dylan hitch once, then W describes the one time. It was snowing, they were on their way home and joking about hitching, Dylan stuck out his thumb, and they got a ride. The two boys then go on to say that Dylan would have charged his phone in the morning and would have got ahold of one of them for a ride.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Well then you would be justifiably ignored from that moment on !
Right?

Most parents would understand the other parent being mortified that they lost their child - I would be beating myself up along with the other parent, not acting unconcerned.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

When you think about the position that these teen boys were in, you can well imagine why they said some of the things they said IMO.

They were just hanging around with each other that day, with no idea of why Dylan didn't show up, but they obviously were not too concerned about it. His father had already shot down one planned visit so why not another?

So when MR showed up to ask them if Dylan was with them, because he knew they were trying to get together and he wasn't at home or with his only other known friend in Vallecito, what were these boys supposed to think? I'm sure they tried in all ways they could to help figure out where he might be. And I'm sure the last thing they thought was that Dylan's father had done something to him. They are teenage boys, and I'm sure they are well aware of "stranger danger".

The last thing they were going to say to MR was "I don't know where he is, what did you do to him?" It seems more reasonable to me that they were going to come up with ideas and wild speculation with regards to how he disappeared right from the couch of his father's house.

MOO

I mainly was just saying it would be nice to hear more about Dylan from his friends and quoted what I had heard them say so far. The media edits things in a way that no matter who says what, it can be misinterpreted. That would apply to MR, ER, LE and anyone else that has spoken on a case.

 

[jjenny]

BBM

I wonder if they asked any of these people, or if they have video surveillence, to see what he was wearing. Did MR change his clothes that morning before running those errands?

:waitasec:

I am sure they have video or him at Walmart the previous night. Not so sure they have video of the next morning. But even if he was wearing the same clothes, he lives in the rural area. So he might wear the same clothes for a long time. So it wouldn't prove anything.

 

[TxLady2]

I am sure if such a person existed, police would check them out. After all that would be somebody showing interest in Dylan visiting and knowing about MR's errands.

No, not necessarily. They could have watched the house, saw when Mark left, and grabbed the opportunity. Some predators just watch and wait for the right moment, they don't always plan every detail in advance.

It also doesn't have to be anyone either one knows well, it could be someone they have seen on several occasions, but don't even know their name.

But... just something to think about. If you had to sit down and make a list of every person you know, and every person your spouse or ex knows, even barely, do you think you wouldn't leave someone out by mistake? I sure couldn't. Every so often somebody pops into my mind that I have not thought of in months or years. That person would probably be left off that list, because I didn't remember. It would be impossible for LE to check out every person that either parent knows even slightly. They simply don't have the manpower.

 

[The Cheese]

This should be correct, as long as there is a tower to ping off of????

Confusion I think has some experience and can probably give a better opinion.

Wouldn't it be nice to know what LE has found out about the cell pings for both MR and DR's phones.

At this point I'd be thrilled just to know from LE which day Dylan's phone stopped pinging, instead of -

- his phone's been off for several days and we haven't been able to track it (Nov 26th)

- it hasn't pinged since he was reported missing

- it hasn't pinged since he vanished

Just give me a day, LE!

 

[ColdHands]

No, not necessarily. They could have watched the house, saw when Mark left, and grabbed the opportunity. Some predators just watch and wait for the right moment, they don't always plan every detail in advance.

It also doesn't have to be anyone either one knows well, it could be someone they have seen on several occasions, but don't even know their name.

But... just something to think about. If you had to sit down and make a list of every person you know, and every person your spouse or ex knows, even barely, do you think you wouldn't leave someone out by mistake? I sure couldn't. Every so often somebody pops into my mind that I have not thought of in months or years. That person would probably be left off that list, because I didn't remember. It would be impossible for LE to check out every person that either parent knows even slightly. They simply don't have the manpower.

I think it just has to be someone Dylan knows, not necessarily even someone E or M know. "Hi Dylan, remember me? From baseball last year? Ben's dad?" (totally made up example - I have no idea if there is a Ben on the baseball team and I'm certainly not accusing his dad if there is one).

 

[SCHMAE]

If the phone is on then it should be pinging. That is my understanding of the cell phone. Even if you don't do anything on it, if it's on, it will be pinging.

Oh is that so ? So even playing an offline game it would ping ? But we only know his last text time not the last ping time, correct? I feel like a dummy.

 

[jjenny]

And how would that someone know Dylan was home alone, considering he was supposed to have been with his friend?

 

[YidArmyRach]

And how would that someone know Dylan was home alone, considering he was supposed to have been with his friend?

But was he supposed to be with his friend?

I got the impression Dylan and his friend were making plans, but that the adults didn't necessarily know about them. I'm sure R's grandma didn't know about their plans for Dylan to turn up at her house at 6.30am in the morning.

I bet that the only plan that MR had told people was that he was collecting Dylan from the airport that day (or the day before, when the flight was due originally) and that Dylan would be coming home with him.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I think it would also be very difficult to check everyone in the area out. It has been said that people vacation there and the campground is right down the road. What if Dylan was walking and someone was leaving the campground and said "hey kid you want a ride?" He tells them where he's going and they say they are going in the same direction.

Has LE said nothing about the dogs picking up Dylan's scent from the house? This is another thing that would help answer the question that Dylan at least made it there that night.

I wish LE would say more about why they think something happened either at the house or when he left the house. Instead of continuing to pressure MR for questions that he may not be able to answer, maybe the public should be asking LE to release something.... anything.

 

[absentia]

My new favorite is when that body of that male adult, who was NOT Dylan nor was it ever said it was, the speculation was wild about how MR did it and dumped him in ER's "back yard" as it was so near to CS in Fountain. MR was painted guilty of something that never even happened. Not one iota of it was based on anything close to fact. The topic is so absolute that no matter who the victim, what the circumstance, a case can be made against MR and how he pulled it off. :waitasec:

I was one of those trying to make it connect - the body near CO Spring and DR. I was so hopeful we'd find DR and I'm sure he was not alive after Sunday night. I NEVER blamed MR of it - I asked if it was possible. I also said it would have been diabolical. it's still a possibility that MR did something like this and we just haven't found out yet. ANYTHING is possible. no one is painting MR GUILTY of a particular crime YET. I think he's guilty, but of what exactly I don't know. I have not nor will I claim his guilt in a specific action until we know what happened, exactly. I do think he caused his son's death, though.

 

[SCHMAE]

No, not necessarily. They could have watched the house, saw when Mark left, and grabbed the opportunity. Some predators just watch and wait for the right moment, they don't always plan every detail in advance.

It also doesn't have to be anyone either one knows well, it could be someone they have seen on several occasions, but don't even know their name.

But... just something to think about. If you had to sit down and make a list of every person you know, and every person your spouse or ex knows, even barely, do you think you wouldn't leave someone out by mistake? I sure couldn't. Every so often somebody pops into my mind that I have not thought of in months or years. That person would probably be left off that list, because I didn't remember. It would be impossible for LE to check out every person that either parent knows even slightly. They simply don't have the manpower.

Yes, maybe the busboy at the cafe or the gardener of the neighbor 5 houses down.... someone everyone sees a lot but never thinks of.. almost invisible. They make good predators because they are so under recognized.

 

[absentia]

you know - as much as we assume there are none of MR's people supporting him, I do believe there are some doing just that and that some of it is happening here. which is totally fine. I just don't think we can say he has no supporters - they are just annonymous, prob due to the harassment and backlash that it going on in regards to anyone having to do with MR.

 

[Eileen730]

I can't open that link today either, but I read it last night and this person, TM, says these texts happened but did not say she saw them, or how she knows this.

Who is this TM is she is his Girl friend?

 

[TxLady2]

I really think them staying away from one another, not making comments publically about one another and each going about their business of trying to bring attention to their missing son without involving one another would probably have a far better outcome.

This whole case turned into "The Bickersons." We get it why they are divorced. I don't see how anyone can miss that. But they've got bigger problems, a missing child. They need to knock off the carp and focus on getting their son back. Whatever way works for them that doesn't involve the other. IMO, JMO, MOO

I agree. People can work as a team without having to have much contact with each other physically. I don't know if you remember the Natalee Holloway case, who disappeared on Aruba, but her mother, father, and stepfather each played their own part in searching for her or any signs of her, and they did it without all the bickering and accusations. People could take a lesson from Beth Holloway, I've never seen any comparison to the grace and dignity she displayed during that whole horrific time, even towards the guy who is probably the one that killed Natalee and dumped her body in the ocean.

If those who keep insisting that Mark should put aside the negative feelings, then I think the same should be said of Elaine and Cory. They can suspect him all they want to but they do not KNOW for sure what happened to Dylan. There is no justifiable reason to verbally attack him like they have without some proof that he knows something he isn't telling them. Suspicions are one thing, evidence is another.

JMO, MOO, IMNOHO and all that.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

For those that believe that Dylan was most likely abducted (not by family) do you have any thoughts of where he could be now? What do you think the public and LE could be doing that hasn't been done already? Do you think he is in the area or out of the area? Do you think he will ever be found? Do you feel he might be alive?

 

[Chili Fries]

A couple of weeks before Phil came into the discussion I posted that they should do something like talk to him, but I added OFF CAMERA. I don't see anything good coming from a sit down circus like what appears to be coming here. I used the words a horror show and I'll stick to that . I do still wish Dr Phil or someone of his ......... caliber .... would speak with them but not for public viewing. I think it would be great to have a way for them to get this point for right now ' the past is the past and we'll speak about nothing except the day Dylan came to MR's ' I think ER deserves to hear his side of thngs IN PRIVATE for her to decide whether or not she likes, trusts, believes.
But a mud slinging match on tv while the baby is missing...it's not cool....it's not productive....it's not going to help a thing. JMO

Dr Phil is a terrific opportunity because Dylan's case has barely gotten any attention outside of the regional area - a couple of days on HLN months ago. This is not Natalee Holloway or Elizabeth Smart, Elaine or Mark aren't regularly seen on CNN or national Fox. The national public is not getting exposure to Dylan's disappearance, he's a non-story. Dr Phil does reach a national audience so it's an opportunity to be seized. Both parents have stated they believe there is a chance that Dylan has been abducted and is still alive, so any opportunity to reach a national audience, and let more people know he could be out there, is priceless (meaning the price of airing their domestic issues on Dr Phil's stage should be relatively inconsequential in the scheme of things).

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Dr Phil is a terrific opportunity because Dylan's case has barely gotten any attention outside of the regional area - a couple of days on HLN months ago. This is not Natalee Holloway or Elizabeth Smart, Elaine or Mark aren't regularly seen on CNN or national Fox. The national public is not getting exposure to Dylan's disappearance, he's a non-story. Dr Phil does reach a national audience so it's an opportunity to be seized. Both parents have stated they believe there is a chance that Dylan has been abducted and is still alive, so any opportunity to reach a national audience, and let more people know he could be out there, is priceless (meaning the price of airing their domestic issues on Dr Phil's stage should be relatively inconsequential in the scheme of things).

I agree. And honestly if Dr Phil did a show and focused more on Elaine and MR's personal bickering/issues rather than Dylan and his disappearance I would not be happy. I don't see why Dr Phil couldn't interview them separately. Or just have one or the other on the show.

 

[The Cheese]

It is hard to hear and not all of it is audible for me.

What is audible is that R says he saw Dylan hitch once, then W describes the one time. It was snowing, they were on their way home and joking about hitching, Dylan stuck out his thumb, and they got a ride. The two boys then go on to say that Dylan would have charged his phone in the morning and would have got ahold of one of them for a ride.

Thank you, ShyViolet! Wow. I couldn't hear any of that. It was just mumbling and wind or whatever that noise was. I'll try listening on my tablet. It has Dolby sound or something like that. Thanks again.