CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[MrsPC]

I'm just curious why you feel that he isn't near there or the search would be pointless. Can you elaborate more?

I just know that in most missing persons cases, where there is a death, the body is usually found close to home.

I'm cetainly hoping that Dylan is still with us, but I realize that since so much time has past, the probability is not very high.

I still don't believe Dylan made it to MR's home. And a number of hours elapsed til he was reported missing.

 

[Dee10]

does anyone else besides me feel that it's probably pointless to search with cadaver dogs around the Vallecito area?

IMO, Dylan is probably nowhere close to that area.

Hasn't this whole area been well searched at least if Dylan tried to take a short cut & had an accident of some kind?

I don't understand this lake or reservoir, is this place somewhere where a walking, homeless RSO, etc. could just on the shore push someone it....and that would be it? Isn't it true sexual predators hit & run so to speak? No boat, etc. required for this lake? It is the same reason, I don't believe Dylan went fishing, had an accident & vanished as he would be close to the shore. But, I don't know how the water flows etc.

Wasn't it near the dam the dogs were hitting? I guess I should go back to map & see what the terrain looks like, how close to the road, etc. :banghead:

 

[SCHMAE]

A man's body was found...

"Clothed body of an adult male"

Sorry, can't seem to link it...

I think I will hold my breath when I read ' body found' no matter WHAT state it i s in from now on .............

 

[Seajay]

Body found in creek, it may have been there a while as ice and snow where formed on top.

How far is Fountain,CO from where he disappeared?
http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=858446#.URW55Se5Opg

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Body-Found-in-Fountain-Creek-in-Southern-Colorado-190471981.html

Thanks. There is 295 miles between Vallecito and Fountain. I doubt very seriously it's Dylan. If it is, I would be more than shocked. I'd be at stroke level and I'd have a whole different thought process going on how he got there. JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I think if MR is innocent he would fair quite well on Dr Phil and it could really help clear his name in the court of public opinion.

I don't doubt that you are a open minded person and could change your opinion at anytime depending on what is revealed.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the show, would change the opinion of a lot of the GP that has already convicted him. I think it would just give people something new talk about for a while. What in the world could happen on Dr. Phil, that would give people a different outlook of Mark?

Mark is working with a rescue organization to try and find his son. If ER and CR want to spread the word about the disappearance of Dylan on the Dr. Phil show then that's great. I see no reason at all for him to also have to participate. Does anyone think that not as many people will tune into the show if MR is not on it? Does anyone think that Dylan's face will be seen by less people if MR is not on the show?

If people are wanting MR to be on the show for any other reason than those listed above, IMO it's for the wrong reason.

It's LE's job to conduct an investigation and give poly tests. They have a working investigation going on. There are many qualified mental health professionals that can work with the Redwines. Dr. Phil is not more qualified. He is a daytime talk show host that has to have drama on his program to keep an audience. There is already enough drama in this case. More drama is not going to find Dylan.

Did all the drama on television and SM help in the CA case? Did it make a positive difference in the outcome or a conviction?

I don't like the games being played on SM. I don't like the jabs that the parents are giving each other back and forth. I don't like how the public is falling into it and making it worse by helping to dramatize it. It makes me sad for the kids and doesn't help the case.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Hasn't this whole area been well searched at least if Dylan tried to take a short cut & had an accident of some kind?

I don't understand this lake or reservoir, is this place somewhere where a walking, homeless RSO, etc. could just on the shore push someone it....and that would be it? Isn't it true sexual predators hit & run so to speak? No boat, etc. required for this lake? It is the same reason, I don't believe Dylan went fishing, had an accident & vanished as he would be close to the shore. But, I don't know how the water flows etc.

Wasn't it near the dam the dogs were hitting? I guess I should go back to map & see what the terrain looks like, how close to the road, etc. :banghead:

Been there, done that. I highly recommend google maps for an indepth view of the road/dam/shoreline. Any body in the lake would presumable end up trapped by the dam given the water flow. I am not convinced the cadaver dogs have found Dylan but I do think something/someone is in that lake.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think if MR is innocent he would fair quite well on Dr Phil and it could really help clear his name in the court of public opinion.

I disagree. Even if Dr Phil would for some unknown reason decide to treat Mark fairly, in total disregard of his own monetary enrichment, people would still say that Mark was being deceptive and is complicit in Dylan's disappearance.

I'm curious how you feel Mark would do on the Dr Phil show if he is guilty. Poorly? So are you saying that Dr Phil could be the arbitrator of the truth in this case?

Personally, I don't want a single person to decide whether or not someones guilty of a crime. MOO.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I still don't believe Dylan made it to MR's home. And a number of hours elapsed til he was reported missing.

Gotta start somewhere. If a random perp, I would suspect we would find Dylan in the Vallecito area. If MR, well, sure, lots of places to go and hide but I still wouldn't peg this too far from home. Maybe better concealed around home (such as buried in those pipes or some such) but those dogs can be amazing. I have high hopes for the dogs....even though I am hoping they do NOT find him dead. Such a struggle.

 

[Dee10]

Been there, done that. I highly recommend google maps for an indepth view of the road/dam/shoreline. Any body in the lake would presumable end up trapped by the dam given the water flow. I am not convinced the cadaver dogs have found Dylan but I do think something/someone is in that lake.

But how would someone put someone there? If you are fishing a couple feet off shore would the water rush you away? I am not following how practical it would be to just leave someone & they vanish. Would they need a boat for instance? I would appreciate your thoughts.

 

[cluciano63]

I doubt enough people even know about Dylan, or MR, to have formed an opinion about MR in this case. Outside of the local area, and the fairly small number of posters on the FB pages, some of whose names I have seen on other FB missing persons cases, I don't think there is much knowledge of the case, or the interviews, etc. So if he did go on Dr. Phil, it would be up to the show to present the case fairly or slant it toward the "drama".

I doubt it will be end up being helpful, if they do the show, but I do think most parents of missing kids would take the opportunity, just to get the exposure.

 

[absentia]

My heart sank!

oh, me too. and I wouldn't be surprised to see DR show up that distance away from Vallectio. and so close to mom's home. if it's him, its surely a message.
feeling nauseaus.
why is there no icon for a smiley face puking?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I doubt enough people even know about Dylan, or MR, to have formed an opinion about MR in this case. Outside of the local area, and the fairly small number of posters on the FB pages, some of whose names I have seen on other FB missing persons cases, I don't think there is much knowledge of the case, or the interviews, etc. So if he did go on Dr. Phil, it would be up to the show to present the case fairly or slant it toward the "drama".

I doubt it will be end up being helpful, if they do the show, but I do think most parents of missing kids would take the opportunity, just to get the exposure.

What gets Dr Phil higher ratings? Doing the right thing and treat everyone fairly or doing whats good for the ratings and create as much drama as possible?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I thought I would bring over some maps from the timeline and media link thread.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191821"]CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame] The second post on this thread has a lot of info about previous searches.

Here is a map that one of the members made:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msi...ll=37.369407,-107.586837&spn=0.02309,0.035748

 

[absentia]

what was MR doing on Tuesday & Wed after DR went missing?
was he able to get away for a 10 hour round trip drive? or to a point on a river nearer to home that would lead to a creek near CO Springs?

 

[dlc]

You are right. If you read his bio he is not licensed in anything. and he says he doesn't have to be because his show is for entertainment. jmo

I don't really care, but I think it's imporant to keep everything straight. He has a Ph.D from the University of North Texas, and "maintained his license current and in good standing until he elected to retire it 15 years later in 2006." Obviously, the amount of money he was making from his television shows meant that he could retire from his clinical practice, but he does have a doctorate in clinical psychology, and he was licensed and in good standing when he let the license lapse.

 

[absentia]

around here we know that Boulder Canyon and Poudre Canyon flow right into town. If a body were dropped in one of those rivers up in the mountains, it would eventually make it into either town unless it got caught in debris.
HWY 115 goes right along the ridge below CO Spring. any of those mountain streams would lead into town. It's a long drive from Vallecito, but possible.

 

[dlc]

To put the focus of the show on Dylan, I think MR should go on alone. Dr Phil could have recorded segments with ER and CR and then have them Skype in if there was something they felt the need to add.

That might work. I like it. Have MR alone, interview CR and ER, and then Skype.

 

[rebeccaeee]

But how would someone put someone there? If you are fishing a couple feet off shore would the water rush you away? I am not following how practical it would be to just leave someone & they vanish. Would they need a boat for instance? I would appreciate your thoughts.

They would almost certainly need a boat unless they were able to heave a body over the side of the viewing platforms by the dam. Doesn't look easy but not impossible either. I've never been there, just looked online alot, so locals correct me. I live near hoover Dam, another manmade reservoir but ona much larger scale. Too many cameras and fences at Hoover but we still get our share of jumpers. Vallecito Dam looks dangerous for falling over and in only near the dam part. The rest of the lake seems shallow on the shoreline.
ETA:
http://4cornershikesdol.blogspot.com/2011/08/vallecito-lake-walk-path.html
awesome pics of it here.

 

[Seajay]

oh, me too. and I wouldn't be surprised to see DR show up that distance away from Vallectio. and so close to mom's home. if it's him, its surely a message.
feeling nauseaus.
why is there no icon for a smiley face puking?

Funny, that's not where my mind went at all. I was thinking much closer to home for a message.

 

[Seajay]

around here we know that Boulder Canyon and Poudre Canyon flow right into town. If a body were dropped in one of those rivers up in the mountains, it would eventually make it into either town unless it got caught in debris.
HWY 115 goes right along the ridge below CO Spring. any of those mountain streams would lead into town. It's a long drive from Vallecito, but possible.

It's not Dylan. It's the clothed body of a man, Link is upthread.