CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[Deleted member 39678]

Like I said before, it's one of those things that you can't express. It's just years of talking with him, just as with anyone you know, you can tell when they are telling the truth, embelishing, or not.

I'm going to take it as a general or overall feeling that you have and not anything specific to what Mark said in the interview. In my personal life, I'm only able to catch people in their lies by the details that don't fit with the facts. But that's just how I do it.

 

[The Cheese]

Originally Posted by Seajay



http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...0/SEARCH/Redwine-family-plans-rally-for-Dylan


BBM
Just to clarify...


Teresa doesn't say it was that Monday, in response to MR's first text.

Nor does she specify that it was Elaine that use the (explicative)

Not saying it wasn't her, we just don' know...



http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...0/SEARCH/Redwine-family-plans-rally-for-Dylan
Jan 23

Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative)

My bolding above.

The sentence says both Cory and Elaine sent messages asking "Where.... (explicative).

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I am looking for MSM links in regards to MR and whether in the eyes of LE he has been cooperative with the investigation.

first, it is obvious that E and her supporters do not feel he is cooperating in efforts to locate Dylan. There is a lot of bad blood between these parents as illustrated with the continued back and forth to court regarding support, etc.

“I have questions that he has the answers to, and he's not cooperating with me or my mom in helping us get those answers,” Cory Redwine said.

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmnDr5w

from the same article

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Office said Mark Redwine is not a suspect in the case

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico.../rsss_2.0/-/n1uw0t/-/index.html#ixzz2KXmxsamn

La Plata County Sheriff's spokesman Lt. Ray Shupe said the father, Mark Redwine, is cooperating with the investigation

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation
Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or person of interest, Shupe said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/-1/news01&source=RSS

Mark Redwine is not a suspect and has cooperated in the investigation, Dan Bender, a spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, has said.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html#ixzz2KXrcCKoc

I have tried and tried to find a link that states MR is uncooperative, a suspect, or a POI. I can find none save the fact that the family feels he is uncooperative.

I myself find hink with this father. But there is nothing in the MSM that would support him being called a suspect or being uncooperative with LE.

These comments about MR cooperating and not being a suspect are the reason, IMHO, we should be looking at other possibilities instead of trying to analyze every word or action of MR to try to prove that LE have it wrong. If LE thinks the answer is somewhere other than MR, then perhaps so should we. Just a thought. Pages and pages of "MR did it because (insert reason here)" are getting frustrating for me. If LE doesn't think he's a suspect, then we should be looking elsewhere also. Again, JMO.

Any new ideas out there? I liked the one earlier about the possibility of a railroad near Vallecito. Anyone know if there is one? Also, I mentioned delivery trucks on the day of his disappearance. Perhaps there was a sub driver that day that may be involved somehow? If there were delivery trucks, have the drivers been questioned?

Forgive my frustration, but the slant of these threads that want to only look at MR as being responsible is making me feel like we will never come up with anything substantive. And, as a result, this leaves me feeling like DR will never be found. A sad and frustrating place to be....especially at bedtime!

Night all! Going to go say my bedtime prayers for Dylan's safe and swift return....

 

[azgrandma]

He doesn't like her. She doesn't like him. They are no longer 'family' or anything close to it despite a mutual biological connection to Dylan. He is doing what he can and should do as a single man that wants nothing to do with the woman currently pointing fingers at him, and she should move on from her pointless quest to indict him. It reeks of bitterness and even a little projection. It's understandable in some respects, but still pointless.

She should instead focus her attention on hiring her own PI, since apparently MR giving consent to one to investigate the case isn't good enough for her or anyone else to simmer down their suspicions. He can do nothing right, and I don't blame him at all for retreating from the hysteria. Heck, if LE came out tomorrow and cleared him, there would still be 50 more threads subtly accusing him of doing something to Dylan. It's utterly absurd considering what we actually have vs. what we think we have.

BBM - I thought a lot about this and IMO what you do is you fake it. I don't personally care if anyone likes each other or what someone said to someone else. You fake it. You put your differences aside and get through it. You do what you have to do for your child. No if, ands or buts about it. You let the bs roll down your back, you think what you want, you say what you want to your friends, you fake it. You go out in the world, suck it up and do it. If that means that you have to have a plastic smile plastered on your face, you do it. You don't hire different investigators, different search teams, appear on different shows or even the same show at different times. You fake it because as long as you suck it up, do whatever it takes, take the punches, take the hits, take the bitterness, the pain, the anguish, you do it. You don't have to love the other person, you don't have to like the other person, you can actually despise the other person, but in public, to the public, while coordinating search, recue and investigative efforts and for the sake of your child, you put it all aside. You act like an adult.
There are people in this world that I don't like, but I have to deal with them. I fake it. These people would never know how I feel about them because that has no bearing on the end goal.
Two-faced, absolutely. I'm not inviting them to dinner, I'm reaching a goal.

 

[cluciano63]

BBM - I thought a lot about this and IMO what you do is you fake it. I don't personally care if anyone likes each other or what someone said to someone else. You fake it. You put your differences aside and get through it. You do what you have to do for your child. No if, ands or buts about it. You let the bs roll down your back, you think what you want, you say what you want to your friends, you fake it. You go out in the world, suck it up and do it. If that means that you have to have a plastic smile plastered on your face, you do it. You don't hire different investigators, different search teams, appear on different shows or even the same show at different times. You fake it because as long as you suck it up, do whatever it takes, take the punches, take the hits, take the bitterness, the pain, the anguish, you do it. You don't have to love the other person, you don't have to like the other person, you can actually despise the other person, but in public, to the public, while coordinating search, recue and investigative efforts and for the sake of your child, you put it all aside. You act like an adult.
There are people in this world that I don't like, but I have to deal with them. I fake it. These people would never know how I feel about them because that has no bearing on the end goal.
Two-faced, absolutely. I'm not inviting them to dinner, I'm reaching a goal.

Normally I would agree, but if ER truly does not trust or believe MR, I don't think it is feasible to expect to see them come together in a good way. If she really feels that MR knows, or is involved, how could she?

Kaine and Desiree worked together for a long time when Kyron went missing, despite the rather hideous circumstances of their divorce. Later on, though, it seemed that Desiree had reason to believe that Kaine had kept too many things from her, as far as the conditions Kyron was living under, so they seem to have mostly gone their separate ways. But then Kaine was not the last person to see Kyron, so Desiree did not have that added bit of rancor to add to the mix. I think that is a real problem for ER, IMO, and it seems as though MR is awfully casual about that fact. JMO

 

[azgrandma]

Normally I would agree, but if ER truly does not trust or believe MR, I don't think it is feasible to expect to see them come together in a good way. If she really feels that MR knows, or is involved, how could she?

Kaine and Desiree worked together for a long time when Kyron went missing, despite the rather hideous circumstances of their divorce. Later on, though, it seemed that Desiree had reason to believe that Kaine had kept too many things from her, as far as the conditions Kyron was living under, so they seem to have mostly gone their separate ways. But then Kaine was not the last person to see Kyron, so Desiree did not have that added bit of rancor to add to the mix. I think that is a real problem for ER, IMO, and it seems as though MR is awfully casual about that fact. JMO

I agree with you. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

 

[Tonto]

BBM - I thought a lot about this and IMO what you do is you fake it. I don't personally care if anyone likes each other or what someone said to someone else. You fake it. You put your differences aside and get through it. You do what you have to do for your child. No if, ands or buts about it. You let the bs roll down your back, you think what you want, you say what you want to your friends, you fake it. You go out in the world, suck it up and do it. If that means that you have to have a plastic smile plastered on your face, you do it. You don't hire different investigators, different search teams, appear on different shows or even the same show at different times. You fake it because as long as you suck it up, do whatever it takes, take the punches, take the hits, take the bitterness, the pain, the anguish, you do it. You don't have to love the other person, you don't have to like the other person, you can actually despise the other person, but in public, to the public, while coordinating search, recue and investigative efforts and for the sake of your child, you put it all aside. You act like an adult.
There are people in this world that I don't like, but I have to deal with them. I fake it. These people would never know how I feel about them because that has no bearing on the end goal.
Two-faced, absolutely. I'm not inviting them to dinner, I'm reaching a goal.

I don't necessarily disagree with you that this is appropriate in most of these situations. But I do know that I, as a newly single man, wouldn't do it in this situation. If my ex-wife publically accused me of disappearing my child, recruited and supported protest mobs lining up outside of my home, took potshots at me everywhere she could on the internet, badgered me with caustic and derisive texts - and I didn't do it - then she can go jump in the deepest hole. After, of course, she was served with a considerable defamation suit.

MR seems to be a litigious man. I anticipate that if he is innocent and is eventually cleared, that there are quite a few folks that might regret their actions and accusations a bit more than others.

ETA - if you'll notice, MR has been very careful and even considerate when responding to questions about ER's conduct and allegations. It seems like he may have been counseled to handle it this way, if you know what I mean.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

These comments about MR cooperating and not being a suspect are the reason, IMHO, we should be looking at other possibilities instead of trying to analyze every word or action of MR to try to prove that LE have it wrong. If LE thinks the answer is somewhere other than MR, then perhaps so should we. Just a thought. Pages and pages of "MR did it because (insert reason here)" are getting frustrating for me. If LE doesn't think he's a suspect, then we should be looking elsewhere also. Again, JMO.

Any new ideas out there? I liked the one earlier about the possibility of a railroad near Vallecito. Anyone know if there is one? Also, I mentioned delivery trucks on the day of his disappearance. Perhaps there was a sub driver that day that may be involved somehow? If there were delivery trucks, have the drivers been questioned?

Forgive my frustration, but the slant of these threads that want to only look at MR as being responsible is making me feel like we will never come up with anything substantive. And, as a result, this leaves me feeling like DR will never be found. A sad and frustrating place to be....especially at bedtime!

Night all! Going to go say my bedtime prayers for Dylan's safe and swift return....

I don't have a new idea but I still think that a possible scenario is Dylan leaving on his own on Monday morning and attempting to hitchhike and meet up with his friends.

Even if people discount his previous hitchhiking experiences as being only one time or only with his friends, it appears that Dylan was not opposed to using that mode of travel. MOO.

 

[i8mypaint]

I don't necessarily disagree with you that this is appropriate in most of these situations. But I do know that I, as a newly single man, wouldn't do it in this situation. If my ex-wife publically accused me of disappearing my child, recruited and supported protest mobs lining up outside of my home, defamed me everywhere she could on the internet, badgered me with caustic and derisive texts - and I didn't do it - then she can go jump in the deepest hole. After, of course, she was served with a considerable defamation suit.

MR seems to be a litigious man. I anticipate that if he is innocent and is eventually cleared, that there are quite a few folks that might regret their actions and accusations a bit more than others.

you know when I saw the uncut interview of ER, to me, she seemed like a woman in a lot of pain. I couldn't help but have heartache over that interview. I did not see her as a vindictive woman I saw the pain of a mother who is in torment over the fact that she cannot bring Dylan home. I saw the anger of a mother who has no clue where her child is. I guess because I went through a horrible custody battle well after I was divorced do I know the fear and the pain of the other parent doing something to your child to get back at you. I laid awake many nights worrying. I guess I am just saying to me she is doing what any loving parent would do, she shows up to all the important things for Dylan and I don't understand why she is under scrutiny.

 

[jjenny]

I don't have a new idea but I still think that a possible scenario is Dylan leaving on his own on Monday morning and attempting to hitchhike and meet up with his friends.

Even if people discount his previous hitchhiking experiences as being only one time or only with his friends, it appears that Dylan was not opposed to using that mode of travel. MOO.

But we are still back to why he wasn't using his cell phone. To at the very least let his friend know he overslept, he was going to be late, and find out where to go.
MR is clearly under the impression that cell phone was operational, since he says he was texting Dylan all morning and that he saw Dylan texting on the couch before MR went to bed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But we are still back to why he wasn't using his cell phone. To at the very least let his friend know he overslept, he was going to be late, and find out where to go.
MR is clearly under the impression that cell phone was operational, since he says he was texting Dylan all morning and that he saw Dylan texting on the couch before MR went to bed.

I think that it's possible that something happened to Dylan's phone that prevented him from contacting anyone.

It could have been a drained battery and he decided to leave Mark's house before charging it.

It could have been a battery that just gave out or shorted out and couldn't be charged.

Or maybe something else caused the phone to be inoperable and Dylan decided to leave the home and hitchhike to meet up with his friends. MOO.

 

[Tonto]

you know when I saw the uncut interview of ER, to me, she seemed like a woman in a lot of pain.

So did I. And it is understandable and incomprehensible pain. MR's interview gave me similar feelings of empathy.

I couldn't help but have heartache over that interview. I did not see her as a vindictive woman I saw the pain of a mother who is in torment over the fact that she cannot bring Dylan home. I saw the anger of a mother who has no clue where her child is.

I saw the same thing in that interview, and I have relayed that countless times on here. That interview isn't the only measure, however. If one objectively looks at the totality of her's and others' actions and behaviors towards Mark, then those markedly negative instances - that have been thoroughly documented here and elsewhere - stand on their own. They may come back to bite a few people if he is cleared, IMO. I'm not judging her, BTW - I'm just a guy laying out what might occur due to some of the things that have transpired.

I guess because I went through a horrible custody battle well after I was divorced do I know the fear and the pain of the other parent doing something to your child to get back at you. I laid awake many nights worrying. I guess I am just saying to me she is doing what any loving parent would do, she shows up to all the important things for Dylan and I don't understand why she is under scrutiny.

I am sorry you experienced such anxiety. I do think it's a little odd that you feel that she is the one under scrutiny, however.

 

[jjenny]

I think that it's possible that something happened to Dylan's phone that prevented him from contacting anyone.

It could have been a drained battery and he decided to leave Mark's house before charging it.

It could have been a battery that just gave out or shorted out and couldn't be charged.

Or maybe something else caused the phone to be inoperable and Dylan decided to leave the home and hitchhike to meet up with his friends. MOO.

But then he would have no means of communication? He doesn't leave a note for dad? Considering dad would have no way to contact him? Supposedly MR has a computer-Dylan doesn't try to contact his friends through the internet? My understanding, this is a remote area-what are the chances he'd be even able to get a ride to Bayfield? He takes everything with him, and a fishing pole?

 

[cluciano63]

His phone being unusable and his being taken by a predator is one too many coincidences for me. I could buy one or the other, not both, along with him deciding, for some explicable reason, to take off, when his father was coming back to drive him to meet R. It is simply too factors for me.

So I don't know what to think, really. I am also not in any way convinced MR is guilty, so I am stuck, just like LE, IMO.

 

[deoneta]

But then he would have no means of communication? He doesn't leave a note for dad? Considering dad would have no way to contact him? Supposedly MR has a computer-Dylan doesn't try to contact his friends through the internet? My understanding, this is a remote area-what are the chances he'd be even able to get a ride to Bayfield? He takes everything with him, and a fishing pole?

There's the ipod, the landline, surely everything didn't fail at once.

 

[Seajay]

These comments about MR cooperating and not being a suspect are the reason, IMHO, we should be looking at other possibilities instead of trying to analyze every word or action of MR to try to prove that LE have it wrong. If LE thinks the answer is somewhere other than MR, then perhaps so should we. Just a thought. Pages and pages of "MR did it because (insert reason here)" are getting frustrating for me. If LE doesn't think he's a suspect, then we should be looking elsewhere also. Again, JMO.

Any new ideas out there? I liked the one earlier about the possibility of a railroad near Vallecito. Anyone know if there is one? Also, I mentioned delivery trucks on the day of his disappearance. Perhaps there was a sub driver that day that may be involved somehow? If there were delivery trucks, have the drivers been questioned?

Forgive my frustration, but the slant of these threads that want to only look at MR as being responsible is making me feel like we will never come up with anything substantive. And, as a result, this leaves me feeling like DR will never be found. A sad and frustrating place to be....especially at bedtime!

Night all! Going to go say my bedtime prayers for Dylan's safe and swift return....

My new favorite is when that body of that male adult, who was NOT Dylan nor was it ever said it was, the speculation was wild about how MR did it and dumped him in ER's "back yard" as it was so near to CS in Fountain. MR was painted guilty of something that never even happened. Not one iota of it was based on anything close to fact. The topic is so absolute that no matter who the victim, what the circumstance, a case can be made against MR and how he pulled it off. :waitasec:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But then he would have no means of communication? He doesn't leave a note for dad? Considering dad would have no way to contact him? Supposedly MR has a computer-Dylan doesn't try to contact his friends through the internet? My understanding, this is a remote area-what are the chances he'd be even able to get a ride to Bayfield? He takes everything with him, and a fishing pole?

You bring up some good points. If Dylan's phone dies he would be limited in his ability to communicate. His dad's computer could be password protected preventing him from using it. Or, he just didn't use it.

How about using the landline? If Dylan hadn't memorized his friends numbers that would be useless.

I don't see why he couldn't attempt to hitchhike in a rural area and I don't see how a rural area is exempt from predators.

If he was planning on spending the night with his friends he would have taken his backpack. His backpack didn't look all that large to me so maybe he took it just for a day trip so that he had all of his stuff with him.

I don't know what to say about the fishing pole.

MOO.

 

[Tonto]

His phone being unusable and his being taken by a predator is one too many coincidences for me. I could buy one or the other, not both, along with him deciding, for some explicable reason, to take off, when his father was coming back to drive him to meet R. It is simply too factors for me.

So I don't know what to think, really. I am also not in any way convinced MR is guilty, so I am stuck, just like LE, IMO.

Yep. The phone is a key piece to this puzzle. I wish we knew more about that 9:37 outgoing text and where it last pinged/when it turned off. Unfortunately though, I don't think this info either implicates or exonerates MR or we would be at a different place in the investigation. JMO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

In other cases, were there also facebook pages that were basically people accusing someone of murder? Like ones where that was their primary focus? This is actually the first case I've followed where I read FB too. But just thinking back to some other cases I followed...I do not think there is any facebook page where people "call out" Rebecca and Sergio Celis, Deborah and Jeremy Irwin, or Terri Horman.

 

[Confusion]

I know a lot of people probably think I'm nuts for my "X" theory (among other reasons!), but I keep coming back to it in my mind. If X knew Dylan was going to be visiting that week, and MR had mentioned going to Durango that morning, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that X would assume Dylan would be there alone that morning (not knowing about the plans to ride top Bayfield with MR that morning.) Since Dylan knows X, it wouldn't sound suspicious to him if X offered to take him to Bayfield when he complained about having to wait.