CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[Deleted member 39678]

His phone being unusable and his being taken by a predator is one too many coincidences for me. I could buy one or the other, not both, along with him deciding, for some explicable reason, to take off, when his father was coming back to drive him to meet R. It is simply too factors for me.

So I don't know what to think, really. I am also not in any way convinced MR is guilty, so I am stuck, just like LE, IMO.

I can see where your coming from about coincidences but I'm not about trying to play the odds here. I think that its possible.

I can definitely see Dylan wanting to meet up with his friends in the morning and not wanting to wait for his dad to come home and take him in the afternoon. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Or because it seems to be the most common reliable means of communication out there. Calls don't always go through, but texts most often work.

But when he texted ER he was in Bayfield, not Vallecito. And Bayfield has normal cell reception. He could have called her. And if he was really concerned about any info his ex might have about his missing son, wouldn't he CALL her, not text?

 

[katydid23]

I know a lot of people probably think I'm nuts for my "X" theory (among other reasons!), but I keep coming back to it in my mind. If X knew Dylan was going to be visiting that week, and MR had mentioned going to Durango that morning, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that X would assume Dylan would be there alone that morning (not knowing about the plans to ride top Bayfield with MR that morning.) Since Dylan knows X, it wouldn't sound suspicious to him if X offered to take him to Bayfield when he complained about having to wait.

But if X was someone that Dylan and MR both knew, then the FBI knows about him too. Wouldn't X have been checked out?

 

[Tonto]

In other cases, were there also facebook pages that were basically people accusing someone of murder? Like ones where that was their primary focus? This is actually the first case I've followed where I read FB too. But just thinking back to some other cases I followed...I do not think there is any facebook page where people "call out" Rebecca and Sergio Celis, Deborah and Jeremy Irwin, or Terri Horman.

Well, for the most part random folks saying these things on the internet would likely be covered under free speech. However, folks who directly know MR and are making such accusations and disparaging remarks, and they can be shown to be false and damaging, could be held liable. JMO.

 

[Confusion]

But if X was someone that Dylan and MR both knew, then the FBI knows about him too. Wouldn't X have been checked out?

I'm sure everybody has been checked out to some extent, but nobody has been ruled out yet. MOO

 

[jjenny]

I know a lot of people probably think I'm nuts for my "X" theory (among other reasons!), but I keep coming back to it in my mind. If X knew Dylan was going to be visiting that week, and MR had mentioned going to Durango that morning, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that X would assume Dylan would be there alone that morning (not knowing about the plans to ride top Bayfield with MR that morning.) Since Dylan knows X, it wouldn't sound suspicious to him if X offered to take him to Bayfield when he complained about having to wait.

I am sure if such a person existed, police would check them out. After all that would be somebody showing interest in Dylan visiting and knowing about MR's errands.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In other cases, were there also facebook pages that were basically people accusing someone of murder? Like ones where that was their primary focus? This is actually the first case I've followed where I read FB too. But just thinking back to some other cases I followed...I do not think there is any facebook page where people "call out" Rebecca and Sergio Celis, Deborah and Jeremy Irwin, or Terri Horman.

I hope that kind of stuff stays away from here. It's also a reason why I try to avoid FB when following cases on Websleuths. MOO.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I'm in UK so until this thread I'd never heard of Dr Phil. My question (serious one) is what is the big deal about MR going on it? Or any of them? Do people really believe that MR is going to go on tv, break down, admit he did it and tell Dr Phil where the body is?

Nothing so far has given me any proof that MR is guilty of anything, so I'm going to assume he is wholly innocent - so why the hell should he go on some tv chat show, do a lie detector test (which is very tacky imo) and set himself up to be abused, accused and ridiculed by his ex wife and others.

I just don't get why so many people think that its vital he goes on the show ...... I mean, if the LE can't crack this case, then a tv presenter isn't going to. As for raising awareness of Dylan's disappearance and getting people talking about it - well, if me here in England knows all about it, I'd imagine anyone local will do. And if we have got onto our 35th thread on here, then people can't be talking about much else.

Just all MOO>

 

[Confusion]

I am sure if such a person existed, police would check them out. After all that would be somebody showing interest in Dylan visiting and knowing about MR's errands.

They are very much aware of such a person, but that doesn't mean they have any evidence. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

In other cases, were there also facebook pages that were basically people accusing someone of murder? Like ones where that was their primary focus? This is actually the first case I've followed where I read FB too. But just thinking back to some other cases I followed...I do not think there is any facebook page where people "call out" Rebecca and Sergio Celis, Deborah and Jeremy Irwin, or Terri Horman.

There have been a number of pages "against" Terri Horman, one still quite active. Also in the case of Ayla's father, and some others who have been seen by the public to be less than open. Some of the pages are even named "so and so is guilty."

 

[jjenny]

If Dylan actually was abducted, then getting his story out to the media could help find him.
Elizabeth Smart was featured on AMW and that helped with finding her.
So presumably parents of an abducted child would try to get their child name out to the media, so if somebody sees that child they could contact police.
As for people already knowing about it-Dylan's case didn't get nearly as much attention as some of the other cases. So many people don't know about it.

 

[katydid23]

You bring up some good points. If Dylan's phone dies he would be limited in his ability to communicate. His dad's computer could be password protected preventing him from using it. Or, he just didn't use it.

How about using the landline? If Dylan hadn't memorized his friends numbers that would be useless.

I don't see why he couldn't attempt to hitchhike in a rural area and I don't see how a rural area is exempt from predators.

If he was planning on spending the night with his friends he would have taken his backpack. His backpack didn't look all that large to me so maybe he took it just for a day trip so that he had all of his stuff with him.

I don't know what to say about the fishing pole.

MOO.

But if his phone was dead, wouldn't his first priority be to get it fixed or replaced? He is on vacation and wanting to meet up with his friends in the next few days. he would need his phone to be able to do that successfully. That is how 13 yr olds roll.

If his cell was dead, then he needed a new battery. His Dad says that Dylan KNEW he was coming back at 11 to pick him up. If Dylan watched cartoons and ate cereal, then it was only an hour or so before his Dad was to return. Why hitch a 20 mile ride to town with no cell and no way to replace it, when he could wait an hour and solve that problem?

I do not believe he would hitch a ride without contacting RN first. And with the i-pod and the landline and the computer, he had several options. RN was staying at his grandmas, so D could have called information and gotten her number.

He didn't even know where RN was going to be without calling him first to check. I don't believe that he went hitching that morning.

 

[cluciano63]

If Dylan actually was abducted, then getting his story out to the media could help find him.
Elizabeth Smart was featured on AMW and that helped with finding her.
So presumably parents of an abducted child would try to get their child name out to the media, so if somebody sees that child they could contact police.
As for people already knowing about it-Dylan's case didn't get nearly as much attention as some of the other cases. So many people don't know about it.

I am in ABQ and the local news has covered the case, but no one I know would recognize his name, much less his face. They may know, at most, that a boy went missing from Colorado, but that is probably about it.

 

[Seajay]

I'm in UK so until this thread I'd never heard of Dr Phil. My question (serious one) is what is the big deal about MR going on it? Or any of them? Do people really believe that MR is going to go on tv, break down, admit he did it and tell Dr Phil where the body is?

Nothing so far has given me any proof that MR is guilty of anything, so I'm going to assume he is wholly innocent - so why the hell should he go on some tv chat show, do a lie detector test (which is very tacky imo) and set himself up to be abused, accused and ridiculed by his ex wife and others.

I just don't get why so many people think that its vital he goes on the show ...... I mean, if the LE can't crack this case, then a tv presenter isn't going to. As for raising awareness of Dylan's disappearance and getting people talking about it - well, if me here in England knows all about it, I'd imagine anyone local will do. And if we have got onto our 35th thread on here, then people can't be talking about much else.

Just all MOO>

I asked hubby and a couple of other men about this and all of them said they would NOT go on Dr. Phil. They don't understand the point other than to give ER and CR a forum to attack MR in an atmosphere to where he would have no right answers or no right responses. All of them see it as "Jerry Springer" type of an episode and none of them see how that would locate their missing son. It would just be to feed bizarre and narcissistic tendencies of a couple of the players. ITO.

OTOH, since the mother and father don't get along and can't seem to be in the same room, they think the only smart thing to do is to each work on their own to get the word out about missing Dylan. She does her thing, he does his and both are important to finding their child.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But if his phone was dead, wouldn't his first priority be to get it fixed or replaced? He is on vacation and wanting to meet up with his friends in the next few days. he would need his phone to be able to do that successfully. That is how 13 yr olds roll.

If his cell was dead, then he needed a new battery. His Dad says that Dylan KNEW he was coming back at 11 to pick him up. If Dylan watched cartoons and ate cereal, then it was only an hour or so before his Dad was to return. Why hitch a 20 mile ride to town with no cell and no way to replace it, when he could wait an hour and solve that problem?

I do not believe he would hitch a ride without contacting RN first. And with the i-pod and the landline and the computer, he had several options. RN was staying at his grandmas, so D could have called information and gotten her number.

He didn't even know where RN was going to be without calling him first to check. I don't believe that he went hitching that morning.

Yes his first priority would be to get into town and get his phone fixed. Wait, he's 13 that's not going to happen.

He didn't plan on meeting his friends in the next few days, he wanted to see them that morning.

Dylan didn't want to wait for his dad to get home so he decided to hitchhike.

I'm not sure if Dylan watched cartoons before he left the house. How long does it take a kid to eat cereal?

Are you saying that Dylan would have no problem hitchhiking if he contacted R first but if he didn't get a hold of him he wouldn't?

Does Mark have Wi-Fi so that Dylan could use his iPod Touch to communicate with it from Mark's home?

MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

I think Dylan's idea, if at all, would be to see if his friend could round up a ride for him, and if not, he would wait for his father. But he didn't contact R at all, so I really doubt he would just set out. If his phone wouldn't work, even more reason to wait for his father, to possibly get a new phone or battery on the way.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I asked hubby and a couple of other men about this and all of them said they would NOT go on Dr. Phil. They don't understand the point other than to give ER and CR a forum to attack MR in an atmosphere to where he would have no right answers or no right responses. All of them see it as "Jerry Springer" type of an episode and none of them see how that would locate their missing son. It would just be to feed bizarre and narcissistic tendencies of a couple of the players. ITO.

OTOH, since the mother and father don't get along and can't seem to be in the same room, they think the only smart thing to do is to each work on their own to get the word out about missing Dylan. She does her thing, he does his and both are important to finding their child.

I agree with your husband and male friends. Trying to mix the two of them together doesn't seem to be working. MOO.

 

[YidArmyRach]

But we are still back to why he wasn't using his cell phone. To at the very least let his friend know he overslept, he was going to be late, and find out where to go.
MR is clearly under the impression that cell phone was operational, since he says he was texting Dylan all morning and that he saw Dylan texting on the couch before MR went to bed.

Everyone knows that mobile phones leave a trace wherever they are, and wherever they are used, and everyone knows that every text sent is recorded...... so why would MR say Dylan was texting, if Dylan was already dead? Which is what as a lot of people on here seem to believe. Surely MR would know that if Dylan wasn't really texting, then that could be proved very easily.

So, if MR is so stupid that he didn't think of this, then surely he can't be so clever as to leave no trace forensically of a murder being committed?

I'm wondering if Dylan could have just been playing a game on his phone, but MR thought he was texting. That would explain why no more texts were sent that night.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Everyone knows that mobile phones leave a trace wherever they are, and wherever they are used, and everyone knows that every text sent is recorded...... so why would MR say Dylan was texting, if Dylan was already dead? Which is what as a lot of people on here seem to believe. Surely MR would know that if Dylan wasn't really texting, then that could be proved very easily.

So, if MR is so stupid that he didn't think of this, then surely he can't be so clever as to leave no trace forensically of a murder being committed?

I'm wondering if Dylan could have just been playing a game on his phone, but MR thought he was texting. That would explain why no more texts were sent that night.

I think that instead of trying to figure out how smart or how stupid anyone is in this case, we should look at what can be mistaken. Like someone texting vs playing a game. That seems like something that could be mistaken to me. JMO.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I think that instead of trying to figure out how smart or how stupid anyone is in this case, we should look at what can be mistaken. Like someone texting vs playing a game. That seems like something that could be mistaken to me. JMO.

Yeah, that is what I was trying to say, but didn't put it across as clearly as you did!