CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #34

[Confusion]

Since the only problem anyone seems to have with the X theory is that LE would be aware of the person, I'll try moving on to the next step. X would, of course, promise to let MR know where Dylan would be, so there would be no need to leave a note, and since he was on the way, he wouldn't need to call Ryan yet to let him know he was coming (just in case he was still sleeping, DR could wait until almost there to call.)

There's also a good possibility that he was tired enough not to pay a lot of attention to where they were going. Even if he was awake, he could have been leaning back with his eyes closed for a good part of the drive. Once he realized that they were going to X's home instead of RN's, it would be fairly easy to come up with an excuse for stopping there first.

Although LE most likely talked to X at least once or twice, I don't think they would have had any reason to search the house. Since the house isn't in the immediate area, they probably wouldn't have gone to it during the door-to-door searches either.

This is all just speculation with no evidence as far as I know. Any similarity between X and a real person is accidental because I have no desire to accuse anyone of anything. MOO

 

[katydid23]

Yes his first priority would be to get into town and get his phone fixed. Wait, he's 13 that's not going to happen.

Sure it is, if he waits another hour or so for his Dad. He will get a ride to town, a new battery, then get dropped off where his friends are.

He didn't plan on meeting his friends in the next few days, he wanted to see them that morning.

According to Mark, Dylan planned on spending Monday and Tuesday hanging out with his friends. He had several he wanted to see, including a girl or two. So I am pretty sure he wanted a working cell phone to help make that happen.

Dylan didn't want to wait for his dad to get home so he decided to hitchhike.

We don't know that for a fact. Maybe he would have preferred to relax and wait for a ride. Especially if his cell was not working.

I'm not sure if Dylan watched cartoons before he left the house. How long does it take a kid to eat cereal?

Not long. But what time do you think he woke up? Dad said he was out like a light at 7;30. So how much longer would he sleep? An hour or two? If he slept an hour or two longer, had some cereal, messed with his phone for a bit, it wouyld almost be time for Dad to return.

Are you saying that Dylan would have no problem hitchhiking if he contacted R first but if he didn't get a hold of him he wouldn't?

I am saying that he wouldn't hitchhike, especially without FIRST contacting some friends to see if anyone could pick him up and to see where his friends were going to be.

Maybe, if he didn't think he had any other options, he might attempt to hitch a ride. But I don't think he did so that morning.

Does Mark have Wi-Fi so that Dylan could use his iPod Touch to communicate with it from Mark's home?

Apparently he does have a computer at home, so I think he has wifi. And the cops said they recovered his i-pod texting account.


And what about the fishing pole? Would he hitch hike with a fishing pole?

 

[katydid23]

Since the only problem anyone seems to have with the X theory is that LE would be aware of the person, I'll try moving on to the next step. X would, of course, promise to let MR know where Dylan would be, so there would be no need to leave a note, and since he was on the way, he wouldn't need to call Ryan yet to let him know he was coming (just in case he was still sleeping, DR could wait until almost there to call.)

There's also a good possibility that he was tired enough not to pay a lot of attention to where they were going. Even if he was awake, he could have been leaning back with his eyes closed for a good part of the drive. Once he realized that they were going to X's home instead of RN's, it would be fairly easy to come up with an excuse for stopping there first.

Although LE most likely talked to X at least once or twice, I don't think they would have had any reason to search the house. Since the house isn't in the immediate area, they probably wouldn't have gone to it during the door-to-door searches either.

This is all just speculation with no evidence as far as I know. Any similarity between X and a real person is accidental because I have no desire to accuse anyone of anything. MOO

Does this X person routinely kidnap and kill young boys or was this the first time?

 

[nikb]

Since the only problem anyone seems to have with the X theory is that LE would be aware of the person, I'll try moving on to the next step. X would, of course, promise to let MR know where Dylan would be, so there would be no need to leave a note, and since he was on the way, he wouldn't need to call Ryan yet to let him know he was coming (just in case he was still sleeping, DR could wait until almost there to call.)

There's also a good possibility that he was tired enough not to pay a lot of attention to where they were going. Even if he was awake, he could have been leaning back with his eyes closed for a good part of the drive. Once he realized that they were going to X's home instead of RN's, it would be fairly easy to come up with an excuse for stopping there first.

Although LE most likely talked to X at least once or twice, I don't think they would have had any reason to search the house. Since the house isn't in the immediate area, they probably wouldn't have gone to it during the door-to-door searches either.

This is all just speculation with no evidence as far as I know. Any similarity between X and a real person is accidental because I have no desire to accuse anyone of anything. MOO

. I don't discount your theory at all and actually I think it's pretty realistic depending on the circumstances (ahem not that I've ever half-slept on the way to a destination myself.. cough. I do find it odd that a specific location didn't show up in the door to door searches. But maybe oddly or unrealistically I think Dylan's alive, I really do, even if its just blind hope at this point, but I do.

 

[katydid23]

Since the only problem anyone seems to have with the X theory is that LE would be aware of the person, I'll try moving on to the next step. X would, of course, promise to let MR know where Dylan would be, so there would be no need to leave a note, and since he was on the way, he wouldn't need to call Ryan yet to let him know he was coming (just in case he was still sleeping, DR could wait until almost there to call.)

There's also a good possibility that he was tired enough not to pay a lot of attention to where they were going. Even if he was awake, he could have been leaning back with his eyes closed for a good part of the drive. Once he realized that they were going to X's home instead of RN's, it would be fairly easy to come up with an excuse for stopping there first.

Although LE most likely talked to X at least once or twice, I don't think they would have had any reason to search the house. Since the house isn't in the immediate area, they probably wouldn't have gone to it during the door-to-door searches either.

This is all just speculation with no evidence as far as I know. Any similarity between X and a real person is accidental because I have no desire to accuse anyone of anything. MOO

So this guy had to drive to the house and knock on the door and talk to Dylan in broad daylight at the home. Wasn't he worried about being seen by a neighbor? Or being picked up by a video cam?

How would he know, when he first knocked on the door, whether D was on the phone or the computer or texting. For all the perp knew, D could have said to someone " Got to go, Dad's boss [ co-worker, neighbor, barber] is here. "

Anyone could have driven by while D was walking out to get in the vehicle.
Or seen them driving out of the neighborhood.

 

[MissJ]

His phone being unusable and his being taken by a predator is one too many coincidences for me. I could buy one or the other, not both, along with him deciding, for some explicable reason, to take off, when his father was coming back to drive him to meet R. It is simply too factors for me.

So I don't know what to think, really. I am also not in any way convinced MR is guilty, so I am stuck, just like LE, IMO.

I'm not in any way convinced of anything either Clu and ITA.:banghead:I just know there are marked contrasts between how MR is acting and how ER is acting. JMO but he doesn't look devastated to me. She does. She's focused on the present. He is the one rehashing the past in every appearance I've seen. The first time I ever saw MR the first words out of his mouth were "My problem is my ex-wife..". Really,your child is missing and this is your first comment to media? That made him suspect to me. But that is MOO.:moo:

 

[ColdHands]

Thank you for your answers, AZGrandma. That was exactly the type of information I was hoping you'd provide and it gave me more to think about today.

I am operating in a "believe everyone but cross-check everything" mode.

My own theory has been very similar to Confusion's with the main difference that in mine, X happened to be up there for unrelated reasons and happened to see Dylan and acted on the spot.

I think there are a couple things to be considered in any abduction theory. 1) a person Dylan knows is more likely to get him in the vehicle with all his things and without Dylan making a call or sending a text first. 2) a person Dylan knows would also be able to get him more easily without a struggle, which would be more likely to leave scuff marks or something as traces. All IMO. 3) with C and E also knowing so many people in the area, I don't believe this has to be someone only M knows. C or E could also have mentioned Dylan's trip to whoever this X is. "Knows" in this sense just means Dylan had at least met this person once before, not necessarily a close family friend.

When Dylan accepted the ride in the snowstorm, does anyone remember reading if that was with a stranger or an acquaintance? Also that was just from one point in Bayfield to another, right? Not all the way up to his dads?

 

[ColdHands]

I think there are better shows to get on than Dr Phil, if all you want is face recognition for Dylan. The Today Show, GMA again, etc. but I guess they've tried those without response?

And the drama would be less and the results better, IMO, if only MR goes on the show.

Additionally, latching into a national platform would give the family a new message and perhaps renew interest in having them on tv. I'm thinking of perhaps working with groups to change police protocol for runaway/missing teens? It's a suggestion only.

 

[SCHMAE]

You raise a good point. I wonder how many folks would be pleased if he agreed to do Dr. Phil, but individually and on a different day? Likely not many, because folks want to watch both of them at the same time so they can rubberneck the train wreck. Which of course means that their motive isn't about Dylan at all.

He has given almost as many, or just as many, in-depth one on one media interviews as Elaine has to keep Dylan in the public eye. He just hasn't done this with Elaine and frankly - as you correctly point out - it isn't at all pertinent or necessary that he does.

A couple of weeks before Phil came into the discussion I posted that they should do something like talk to him, but I added OFF CAMERA. I don't see anything good coming from a sit down circus like what appears to be coming here. I used the words a horror show and I'll stick to that . I do still wish Dr Phil or someone of his ......... caliber .... would speak with them but not for public viewing. I think it would be great to have a way for them to get this point for right now ' the past is the past and we'll speak about nothing except the day Dylan came to MR's ' I think ER deserves to hear his side of thngs IN PRIVATE for her to decide whether or not she likes, trusts, believes.
But a mud slinging match on tv while the baby is missing...it's not cool....it's not productive....it's not going to help a thing. JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

I don't necessarily disagree with you that this is appropriate in most of these situations. But I do know that I, as a newly single man, wouldn't do it in this situation. If my ex-wife publically accused me of disappearing my child, recruited and supported protest mobs lining up outside of my home, took potshots at me everywhere she could on the internet, badgered me with caustic and derisive texts - and I didn't do it - then she can go jump in the deepest hole. After, of course, she was served with a considerable defamation suit.

MR seems to be a litigious man. I anticipate that if he is innocent and is eventually cleared, that there are quite a few folks that might regret their actions and accusations a bit more than others.

ETA - if you'll notice, MR has been very careful and even considerate when responding to questions about ER's conduct and allegations. It seems like he may have been counseled to handle it this way, if you know what I mean.

For all we know CR did the lining up of a ' rally' which he said repeatedly we do not want this to be a ' mob' , be respectful, be quiet, etc etc and yet you refer to it as a mob. I have not see any evidence of ER taking potshots at him anywhere she could on the internet , in fact , quite the opposite. Her most ' inflammatory' emotional comments were to reporters in the MSM. The internet is giant and if she were talking trash about him ' anywhere she could online' we would have miles and piles of her comments, but we do not, because shes' not doing that. The most strongly worded comment I've seen from ER re MR on the internet was a letter to Dylan stating something about the ' one who LOST you ' and if she believes MR is guilty of something, then that is not very strong language at all. Please show some of these horrible thngs shes' said online.

 

[SCHMAE]

You bring up some good points. If Dylan's phone dies he would be limited in his ability to communicate. His dad's computer could be password protected preventing him from using it. Or, he just didn't use it.

How about using the landline? If Dylan hadn't memorized his friends numbers that would be useless.

I don't see why he couldn't attempt to hitchhike in a rural area and I don't see how a rural area is exempt from predators.

If he was planning on spending the night with his friends he would have taken his backpack. His backpack didn't look all that large to me so maybe he took it just for a day trip so that he had all of his stuff with him.

I don't know what to say about the fishing pole.

MOO.

Rural areas seem to be thick with predators from cases I've read over the years. It's a perfect place BECAUSE no one expects them.

 

[mmmagique]

STOP with the back and forth, here. We don't need it and it just derails the thread.

If a post crosses TOS, alert it, do NOT respond to it, and move on by. The mods will take care of it.

And... in your posting, be sure to remember that if you post in such a way that another poster feels attacked that is against TOS.

This post lands at random.

Salem

Hi Salem,

(bbm) But what if someone feels attacked if I say something like "I don't care for strawberry pudding"? (as an example)

My question is basically, how can we be responsible for how another person feels?

I do understand that if I then go on to say, "If YOU like strawberry pudding you're a big dumb doo doo head." that would be considered attacking. But I've had people take offense in the past where none was intended at all. It is difficult sometimes to discern disagreement with attack, and since this is all written, it sometimes makes it even more difficult to understand the tone in which it was meant.

Anyway, I just wanted to run this by you, as that rule is kind of...ambiguous and open to all sorts of interpretation. (imo)

 

[Seajay]

If MR had accidently done something to Dylan, something irrevocable, he'd either be long gone by now or be so riddled with guilt he couldn't function. He'd also have left a whole bunch of evidence around.

With there being too many coincidences for a person known to Dylan's family taking him, there are just as many coincidences of things that should be showing up as evidence if MR had done something. I mean, with no evidence, for there not to be, there would have to be a lot of coincidences. kwim?

 

[mmmagique]

Or it could of been as simple as LE asking him while at the Marshall's office if he checked to see if ER had heard from Dylan.

I don't think that's possible, because MR said he texted her and then went to the Marshall's office, while Elaine called the Sheriff's office, and there was some confusion over who contacted who.

 

[mmmagique]

I am thinking that MR used the word pacing as he has probably done a fair amount of that since Dylan disappeared.

But why would he use it describe that night?

And how could we possibly derive that from what he said?

 

[mmmagique]

Thanks for reminding me about the "cursory interviews". I've wondered why LE waited 10 days to do an "in-depth interview"? And did LE really mean to say that they performed only cursory interviews until then.
Do they understand what that word means?

I would have hoped that LE would have interviewed all persons who had information and paid very good attention to the details. MOO.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20... /0/APW/Investigators-end-search-of-house--

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cursory

I believe the gentleman speaking knows very well what the word means. I'm surprised that is even in question.
I believe the reason that the interviews were cursory at the beginning is because that small town police department believed they were looking at a run away situation, such as I'm sure they've dealt with before. (not with Dylan)
It wasn't until days later (about a week) that it began to dawn on them that this is not your typical run away situation, and they were looking at something much more sinister.

 

[Seajay]

I agree with your husband and male friends. Trying to mix the two of them together doesn't seem to be working. MOO.

I really think them staying away from one another, not making comments publically about one another and each going about their business of trying to bring attention to their missing son without involving one another would probably have a far better outcome.

This whole case turned into "The Bickersons." We get it why they are divorced. I don't see how anyone can miss that. But they've got bigger problems, a missing child. They need to knock off the carp and focus on getting their son back. Whatever way works for them that doesn't involve the other. IMO, JMO, MOO

 

[mmmagique]

I think that it's possible that something happened to Dylan's phone that prevented him from contacting anyone.

It could have been a drained battery and he decided to leave Mark's house before charging it.

It could have been a battery that just gave out or shorted out and couldn't be charged.

Or maybe something else caused the phone to be inoperable and Dylan decided to leave the home and hitchhike to meet up with his friends. MOO.

But why couldn't he use the house phone? Or his ipod (which granted, we don't know if it's a touch...) Or the computer? This whole thing just doesn't make sense. (to me)

 

[mmmagique]

In other cases, were there also facebook pages that were basically people accusing someone of murder? Like ones where that was their primary focus? This is actually the first case I've followed where I read FB too. But just thinking back to some other cases I followed...I do not think there is any facebook page where people "call out" Rebecca and Sergio Celis, Deborah and Jeremy Irwin, or Terri Horman.

There were def. fb pages that called out Terri Horman. (and some that stood up for her)

 

[mmmagique]

They are very much aware of such a person, but that doesn't mean they have any evidence. MOO

Wait. This is the first I've heard of this. Are you saying that it's not just your theory, but there is this Mr. or Ms. X, and the police are very much aware of this?