CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[SCHMAE]

And here's another VERY HYPOTHETICAL thought/question.

What IF MR called the tip in? Would LE be required to follow up on it? I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

What IF MR told LE that he saw a man fitting this description that morning and LE never did anything to follow up on it? MR decides to call the tip in to LE. Is LE required to treat it like any other tip or would it be different?

NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED AND IT'S PROBABLY FAR FETCHED BUT THIS DAWNED ON ME AS A POSSIBILTY.

I have wondered something similar, not MR necessarily , but if any of the insiders called in the tip. Does that mean it's not a real tip? No, but this case is so strange...... I almost do not even believe what is going on. I thought entering the PI' s was weird enough and now,, it just got weirder !

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have wondered something similar, not MR necessarily , but if any of the insiders called in the tip. Does that mean it's not a real tip? No, but this case is so strange...... I almost do not even believe what is going on. I thought entering the PI' s was weird enough and now,, it just got weirder !

I have a feeling it's going to get even weirder. :banghead:

 

[Lordeebee]

And here's another VERY HYPOTHETICAL thought/question.

What IF MR called the tip in? Would LE be required to follow up on it? I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

What IF MR told LE that he saw a man fitting this description that morning and LE never did anything to follow up on it? MR decides to call the tip in to LE. Is LE required to treat it like any other tip or would it be different?

NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED AND IT'S PROBABLY FAR FETCHED BUT THIS DAWNED ON ME AS A POSSIBILTY.

But, in this HYPOTHETICAL, if MR told LE about this man in the beginning, wouldn't LE have taken it much more seriously back then than they would now?

 

[SuperMom1995]

IMO the above does confirm that there are in fact "universal" ways that human beings express themselves.. This IMO lends credence to my opinion that true it is that "NOT EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD IS GOING TO ACT/REACT THE SAME"...but that All people express emotions on their faces IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAYS.

Contrary to what some may believe/think/opine, This does allow for there to be legitimate, fact based opinions formed from analyzing and/or comparing people's statements, actions, and reactions..


The above quote IMO is representative of what I personally believe to be of importance regarding the various parts of a case or investigation..

Its not what one piece, part, or issue reveals or indicates.. they each, alone are just a simple tool used to guide the investigation.

So, too is it the same in looking at the various, parts or pieces of a case ..each piece alone is not representative of a definite or absolute. It is what they together represent in leading to a clearer picture that emerges from the puzzle as a whole. Jmo.

link:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/june_2011/school_violence

Absolutely, we need to look at the total picture but up until this point we have not had anything else to look at, IMO. I would love for Dylan to be found and whatever happened and whoever is responsible to come to the surface now.

 

[Seajay]

However LE got the info, whoever called in the tip, the thing is that LE talked to the person who saw the Hispanic guy, and found that person's tip credible enough to send out a press release, alert all the media, talk with the media, and alert the public.

This isn't that MR says he saw a Hispanic guy, or the PI says he saw the Hispanic guy, this is someone else who LE interviewed and found had info credible enough to alert the media and the public. I guess I just don't understand how that part could be suspicious.

I know, huh??? La Plata County Sheriffs released this information. They have probably gotten hundreds of tips, maybe thousands and not once have they released any information from any other tips they've received, or asked the public's help with any other tips. Just this one. It must be of major significance for them to open their tight lips about it. It's not like they are spilling their guts on a regular basis about where they are at in the investigation and what they know, so this must be an important one for them. JMO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Regardless of my opinion of <modsnip>, if I were investigating Dylan's disappearance, I would go back and start fresh at the scene. I would talk to all the neighbors. I don't know if this is what happened and he found this information out, told the tipster to call it in and then posted it himself. The tipster followed through and LE did the interview.

I just hope that someone wouldn't make up a lie. The PI offered his services for free. Everyone was screaming for MR to do something and people were even encouraging the family to take up these free offers being made. Including this guys. When MR accepted his offer, the tone changed. I expressed my opinion on being careful on who to choose to help. It just goes to show, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I have no reason to believe that someone made this story up or this is a scheme. It would require multiple players to lie and that's pretty serious in a missing child case.

 

[absentia]

it would be so awesome if they could find this guy.
he will either have an alibi, be guilty and able to locate DR, or explain his involvement in a premeditated conspiracy to murder/abduct.
but walking in/out of the woods? walking? gotta be a vehicle around.

 

[Seajay]

And here's another VERY HYPOTHETICAL thought/question.

What IF MR called the tip in? Would LE be required to follow up on it? I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

What IF MR told LE that he saw a man fitting this description that morning and LE never did anything to follow up on it? MR decides to call the tip in to LE. Is LE required to treat it like any other tip or would it be different?

NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED AND IT'S PROBABLY FAR FETCHED BUT THIS DAWNED ON ME AS A POSSIBILTY.

I would have thought it would have been treated as any other information MR gave them during all his interviews. I doubt they would have a made an announcement at all about any "tipster", they would have just put out that they needed to talk to this guy, period. IMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But, in this HYPOTHETICAL, if MR told LE about this man in the beginning, wouldn't LE have taken it much more seriously back then than they would now?

I have no idea. Would they announce it to the public if it came from MR?

 

[The Cheese]

IMO the references were not meant to be a professional analysis, but more of an "add it all up and what do you see/feel". From there, it's fairly obvious that all of us see/feel something different.

Well things were stated as fact, and I'd like to see the reference material to see if I come to the same opinions.

We're allowed to ask for links here.

 

[absentia]

I agree that this person needs to be found and questioned. You have to realize that there were those discussing this Hispanic male prior to the tip being called in to LE. That's where the hinky meter goes up. That's all I'm saying.

but to put out a PR on the tip, wouldn't LE have double/triple verified it, considering they just don't do PR's at all anyway? Unless, it's like the cross in the JR case....

what was the original story on the hispanic male? he asked where a gas station was, but the witness thought it was odd b/c the male said he knew where there was one, but was asking about another. wasn't that it? so there must have been a vehicle somewhere???

 

[The Cheese]

And here's another VERY HYPOTHETICAL thought/question.

What IF MR called the tip in? Would LE be required to follow up on it? I'M NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I'm just asking a hypothetical question.

What IF MR told LE that he saw a man fitting this description that morning and LE never did anything to follow up on it? MR decides to call the tip in to LE. Is LE required to treat it like any other tip or would it be different?

NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED AND IT'S PROBABLY FAR FETCHED BUT THIS DAWNED ON ME AS A POSSIBILTY.

I don't know why in the world he'd call the tipline when he has his own investigator. There was that article that said he and Elaine each have their own investigator assigned to them.

edit to add -

They did say the interview was a direct result of information left on the tip line.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...red?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I would have thought it would have been treated as any other information MR gave them during all his interviews. I doubt they would have a made an announcement at all about any "tipster", they would have just put out that they needed to talk to this guy, period. IMO

I guess what I was saying in this HYPOTHETICAL thought that what if he did tell LE in the beginning and LE did nothing about it. And then perhaps recently he was advised to call it in as a tip? Would LE be required to look into it? Because as azgrandma pointed out upstream a defense attorney would be all over it if this tip came in and was not followed up on.

VERY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. NO FACTS NO LINKS NO PROOF.

You all know me...I'm always thinking outside the box

 

[deoneta]

IMO LE is doing their job by asking for anyone that can be a potential witness to come forward. They have no idea what the witnesses may or may not say. They are using the timeline of Sunday to Monday because they have to go back to the actual last KNOWN and VERIFIED sighting of Dylan. In broadening the time frame, they are looking at all possible avenues.

When a tip comes in, they (LE) has an obligation to review it, some are so off the wall that they can immediately be discounted. Depending on how the tip was called in, LE could just pass by it not knowing what the tipster is actually adding to the investigation.
“This is John Doe, please give me a call at 234-5678, Thank you” LE calls the number, leaves a message and the guy never calls back. Or his mailbox is full and can’t receive a message.
In this case, they received a tip, spoke with the tipster and are following up on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Imagine what would happen during a criminal trial:
Defense Attorney: “Mr. Bender, do you remember receiving a tip about a 45-50 yo Hispanic male acting suspiciously on the morning of November 19, 2012”

Bender, “Yes I remember that tip”

Defense Attorney, “Did you ever try to locate this 45-50 yo Hispanic male?”

Bender, “No we did not”

Defense Attorney, “Why not?”

Bender, “Well it came in three months in to the investigation and we just didn’t think it was important to find this individual.”

Ok, so now the police have given reasonable doubt to every jury member on the panel. LE did not eliminate everyone except the defendant. Tunnel vision is not investigating. I don’t believe that it matters one bit that this tip just came in, I do believe that it matters one bit that LE is asking for this individual to come forward. IF there is ever a trial, LE can say with 10% confidence that they received a tip on a person that may be a witness and LE did everything in their power to find this witness.

Great post! I think the one thing that most everyone can agree upon is that this tip should be taken seriously and investigated. It could be the tip that breaks the case or it could be a red herring, but either way it needs to be checked out. ALL MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't know why in the world he'd call the tipline when he has his own investigator. There was that article that said he and Elaine each have their own investigator assigned to them.

edit to add -

They did say the interview was a direct result of information left on the tip line.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...red?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

VERY HYPOTHETICAL

I guess what I am getting at is; what if MR told his PI that he told LE in the beginning about this Hispanic male he saw and LE never checked into it? What if then, on the advise of his PI, MR calls this tip into the tipline?
Would LE be required at that point to treat it like any other tip?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Doesn't MR and ER speak with LE on a regular basis. The parents of a missing child wouldn't call a tip line, they would call the detective. If MR had told LE this straight from the start, they would have jumped on it then to rule it out. I certainly would hope so anyway.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well my hinky meter is going off and I'm just trying to think of why the P.I. was posting about this Hispanic male last week on the FMDR page and the tip was not called in until the weekend? Why would the tipster wait until the weekend to call it in?

 

[ColdHands]

I guess what I was saying in this HYPOTHETICAL thought that what if he did tell LE in the beginning and LE did nothing about it. And then perhaps recently he was advised to call it in as a tip? Would LE be required to look into it? Because as azgrandma pointed out upstream a defense attorney would be all over it if this tip came in and was not followed up on.

VERY HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. NO FACTS NO LINKS NO PROOF.

You all know me...I'm always thinking outside the box

Wouldn't he do that anonymously in your hypothetical? So then yes, they would follow up just as they would any other tip. IMO

Hypothetically, if he thought there was something important that LE was ignoring, he'd be better off taking it to the media to force their hand, IMO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Doesn't MR and ER speak with LE on a regular basis. The parents of a missing child wouldn't call a tip line, they would call the detective. If MR had told LE this straight from the start, they would have jumped on it then to rule it out. I certainly would hope so anyway.

Again, just my thinking, would they if they were looking at MR as their POI?

I don't know if they would or not. They SHOULD, but I don't know that they would and I don't know that they would announce it to the public if they didn't find it believable.

AGAIN, JUST ME THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX. It's probably far fetched, but I try to think of every possible scenario.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Wouldn't he do that anonymously in your hypothetical? So then yes, they would follow up just as they would any other tip. IMO

Hypothetically, if he thought there was something important that LE was ignoring, he'd be better off taking it to the media to force their hand, IMO.

Maybe it was anonymous?