CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

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  • #801
What about a basement? In Texas no one has a basement but up north and colder areas they do and some of those basements are pretty secure, pretty sound proof, pretty well a dungeon !

Even more so when the basement happens to be in a house in a rural area without any other house around it! Even though Dylan is older, if he was abducted and if he is still alive (big "ifs," I know), the perp could be telling him they will harm his parents or other family members. I have heard of this happening before. There are just so many possibilities here, aren't there? Very frustrating and baffling.
 
  • #802
I'm still thinking it "might" be a possiblity that Dylan ran away and was "then" abducted. A small possibility, but a possibility. We don't know what he was texting his friends the night before. The fact that they too were not concerned about Dylan not showing up leaves me scratching my head too.

Well I don't know how concerned 8th graders are likely to be in such a circumstance, but R did text Dylan twice Monday, first to ask where he was and later to tell him he'd be at N's house. R was expecting him. All MOO
 
  • #803
BBM. Ha! Ask any school bus driver and they can tell you the kids WILL do things the parents say they wouldn't do. Many times we had parents call in and yell and scream that the bus driver was wrong on the write-up. We kindly invited the parents in to watch the film of their little darling doing exactly what we said they did.

Yes, true. Any time I hear a parent say, "My son/daughter would never do that!!" then I want to cringe, because most of them are wrong.

Another thing I am curious about... why say Dylan is not the 'type' to run away? What type is that? Kids of all personalities, backgrounds, etc. have run away, when their parents least expected it, and for all sorts of reasons. Some of them are not from troubled homes, or have divorced parents, nor have they ever been abused or mistreated. And some of them never give a reason why they did it, once they're found.
I would just like to know how one would recognize whether their child is that 'type' or not, and what that 'type' looks like.
 
  • #804
Back when all the speculation was happening about the ipod-texting situation, I thought the train of thought seemed extraneous. I thought I was pretty tech savvy, but this morning I asked my own 13 year old daughter to clarify a few things, and I wanted to share this info.

Advantages of texting through an ipod:
1. QWERTY keyboard. Prior to getting her smartphone, DD had a flip phone with the older style of texting (tapping '5' three times to yield the letter "L") The QWERTY keyboard made communicating WAY less tedious.
2. Multi-tasking. Games, internet, youtube, etc, in between texting.

Disadvantages:
1. Wifi-dependent (already heavily discussed on here) which means no texting in the car or on the go... but there are still apps that live on the the ipod that can be accessed without wifi. To clarify, the ipod is not completely useless without wifi.
2. Charging was SUPER inconvenient. This was a doozy in our house, because when the kids' docking stations weren't working properly, they'd jam up our computer ports running the usb-to-ipod cords. They also discovered they could charge them via the ports in the wii and in the blu ray player.

3. This was the revelation for me-- the texting via ipod app had to be separate from your mobile phone number (which we've talked about a bit on here) but when the app assigns a new phone number to you, it causes some confusion, at least at first. The numbers appear to be assigned at random, so even though we live in TX our then-eleven-year-old was now texting us from a New Jersey area code. Pretty disconcerting!

The other thing is, since the message is arriving from a different number, none of the recipients recognizes the user at first, so the user has to identify himself or herself at the start of the message-- an extra step, often requiring an extra explanation, too, before they can even get the conversation started.
 
  • #805
And yet you seem to be perfectly unconcerned with the fact that his father took a nap after he came home and found Dylan and all his things gone.

Yes, I do not find his behavior concerning. If he thought Dylan went fishing or hiking, then taking a change of clothes and his cell phone (easier to carry in a backpack instead of individual pieces) would make sense. Like I said earlier, "My kid has been kidnapped!!!" is not the first thought I would have if I came home and found my kid not home, especially since he is from the area, has friends in the area, and really wanted to spend time with his friends. It wouldn't be to much of a stretch to think that since Dylan couldn't be with his friends in Bayfield, he would be happy to settle for being with his friends in Vallecito until his dad returned home.

Again, there are things that are red flags for me in MR's behavior. It's just that coming home and immediately assuming that his son had been kidnapped or run away is not something that I think would have happened. JMO though.
 
  • #806
Oh! This was another surprise--

The texting app she was using would give "credits" for every text sent from the app. The credits could then be redeemed for voice minutes.

So the ipod could then be used as a phone for a certain amount of time, provided that there was a wifi connection.

...all from this texting app...
 
  • #807
Yes, true. Any time I hear a parent say, "My son/daughter would never do that!!" then I want to cringe, because most of them are wrong.

Another thing I am curious about... why say Dylan is not the 'type' to run away? What type is that? Kids of all personalities, backgrounds, etc. have run away, when their parents least expected it, and for all sorts of reasons. Some of them are not from troubled homes, or have divorced parents, nor have they ever been abused or mistreated. And some of them never give a reason why they did it, once they're found.
I would just like to know how one would recognize whether their child is that 'type' or not, and what that 'type' looks like.

LOL, YES ! I have a 14 yr old / 15 next month and I can tell you now I do not know WHAT she will do on any day at any time. Shes' completely unpredictable right now !
 
  • #808
Just to prove my point that I do indeed see some red flags concerning MR, I think this quote of his sounds more like something someone would say at a funeral:

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

Everything is in past-tense. This I DO find strange!

From:
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl.../Investigators-search-house-of-Dylan’s-father
 
  • #809
Well I don't know how concerned 8th graders are likely to be in such a circumstance, but R did text Dylan twice Monday, first to ask where he was and later to tell him he'd be at N's house. R was expecting him. All MOO

Yes, he did. My point being that neither MR nor R were concerned when Dylan did not respond to their text messages. Was this normal behavior for Dylan? Why was no one concerned that he was not responding to their text messages? I suppose they thought he was just sleeping in. Who knows?
 
  • #810
Back when all the speculation was happening about the ipod-texting situation, I thought the train of thought seemed extraneous. I thought I was pretty tech savvy, but this morning I asked my own 13 year old daughter to clarify a few things, and I wanted to share this info.

Advantages of texting through an ipod:
1. QWERTY keyboard. Prior to getting her smartphone, DD had a flip phone with the older style of texting (tapping '5' three times to yield the letter "L") The QWERTY keyboard made communicating WAY less tedious.
2. Multi-tasking. Games, internet, youtube, etc, in between texting.

Disadvantages:
1. Wifi-dependent (already heavily discussed on here) which means no texting in the car or on the go... but there are still apps that live on the the ipod that can be accessed without wifi. To clarify, the ipod is not completely useless without wifi.
2. Charging was SUPER inconvenient. This was a doozy in our house, because when the kids' docking stations weren't working properly, they'd jam up our computer ports running the usb-to-ipod cords. They also discovered they could charge them via the ports in the wii and in the blu ray player.

3. This was the revelation for me-- the texting via ipod app had to be separate from your mobile phone number (which we've talked about a bit on here) but when the app assigns a new phone number to you, it causes some confusion, at least at first. The numbers appear to be assigned at random, so even though we live in TX our then-eleven-year-old was now texting us from a New Jersey area code. Pretty disconcerting!

The other thing is, since the message is arriving from a different number, none of the recipients recognizes the user at first, so the user has to identify himself or herself at the start of the message-- an extra step, often requiring an extra explanation, too, before they can even get the conversation started.

So, referencing #3 above, is it possible that Dylan was getting communications from someone other than his friends and he just "thought" it was from his friends? Could he have told someone his dad was running errands the next morning?

I wish I knew what all of his text messages (incoming and outgoing) were saying! :banghead:
 
  • #811
LOL, YES ! I have a 14 yr old / 15 next month and I can tell you now I do not know WHAT she will do on any day at any time. Shes' completely unpredictable right now !

My husband has a degree in psychology and often says if a teenager doesn't test positive for schizophrenia then something is wrong with him/her. It's just a stage they go through and usually outgrow. Point being, it is normal for a teenager to be unpredictable!
 
  • #812
Just to prove my point that I do indeed see some red flags concerning MR, I think this quote of his sounds more like something someone would say at a funeral:

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

Everything is in past-tense. This I DO find strange!

From:
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl.../Investigators-search-house-of-Dylan’s-father

Except that ^^^
 
  • #813
My husband has a degree in psychology and often says if a teenager doesn't test positive for schizophrenia then something is wrong with him/her. It's just a stage they go through and usually outgrow. Point being, it is normal for a teenager to be unpredictable!

Oh great , then she's totally normal ! Good info, ty !
 
  • #814
Analyzing the word choice of anybody involved-- MR, ER, LE, MSM-- is a bitter pill for me. I realize that plenty of people-- especially in LE--have dedicated their lives and careers to this, and that many positive things have probably come from it, but there are just so many variables.
 
  • #815
So, referencing #3 above, is it possible that Dylan was getting communications from someone other than his friends and he just "thought" it was from his friends? Could he have told someone his dad was running errands the next morning?

I wish I knew what all of his text messages (incoming and outgoing) were saying! :banghead:

I'm not sure-- I hadn't even considered that perspective, but that's a valid point. The reason it really jumped out at me was the idea of all the confusion it could cause in determining location and identity of the user (ie Dylan) and the delay in discovering and/or sharing this info with the public.
 
  • #816
Another thought that occurred to me is that MR said he went to Tristan's house to see if Dylan was there. Has anyone heard/read if LE has verified where Tristan's parents were that day? I assume that LE has done so, but has anyone heard this mentioned in any interview or article? If Dylan was texting Tristan the night before (in addition to R), then Tristan's parent could have come to get Dylan. Just speculating, of course. I would assume that the parent(s) were at work. Where was Tristan? Just curious....
 
  • #817
Just to prove my point that I do indeed see some red flags concerning MR, I think this quote of his sounds more like something someone would say at a funeral:

“I want everyone to know how much I love that boy and how much I cared about him, and how much I thank the community for all the effort that they put in,” he said. “He was such a wonderful boy. He meant everything.”

Everything is in past-tense. This I DO find strange!

From:
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl.../Investigators-search-house-of-Dylan’s-father

THIS. Thank you. This bothers me. A lot.
 
  • #818
It was not my intention to accuse Dylan's step-father of being involved. My thinking was that perhaps Dylan was not happy. I was trying to reference Dylan's state of mind, not his step-father's involvement. If Dylan wasn't happy, perhaps it could point to his running away. I know they have ruled that out, but "perhaps" he ran away "then" got abducted. Also, I was asking if anyone had heard about their time living together because I couldn't recall reading it or hearing anyone reference it in an interview and was wondering if someone here recalled reading/hearing it anywhere. I definitely wasn't clear in my wording! Anyway, I apologize if I unintentionally violated any rules, and I thank you for your kind reprimand.

No, let ME apologize. I gave you the short version and I shouldn't have. I brought this very topic up a time or two and it was glossed over. I think if Dylan was happy or not is a very important issue as to where his head was during the time of his disappearance. In fact, I should be a main factor in all of this.

His Mom was living the "Life of Riley" but was he??? Maybe her life was beer and skittles but his wasn't. You make a very valid point Babbi.

One I wish we could discuss. I guess we can, in general, like we are now. But we can't get into specifics. Like you, I noticed in many of Dylan's pictures he is not smiling and in fact looks miserable in some or is standing apart from everyone else in the picture.

And if this poor little dude had to be around the kind of conflict we've seen played out in the media, I wouldn't blame him to disappearing. These people are enough to make you drink.

I really wish we could get more into the dynamic of Dylan's newest environment because it could very well play an important part in what happened.
 
  • #819
Yes, he did. My point being that neither MR nor R were concerned when Dylan did not respond to their text messages. Was this normal behavior for Dylan? Why was no one concerned that he was not responding to their text messages? I suppose they thought he was just sleeping in. Who knows?


R texted Dylan several times and didn't get a response. <modsnip>
 
  • #820
This makes it sound like we are only supposed to be trying to prove that Mark Redwine did it. Is that what you meant to say? I thought other potential "suspects" were being presented here. Sorry, but I'm new here and still trying to get a feel for the rules. :waitasec:
I know I'm late with this and the discussion ended a long time ago, but ... we aren't allowed to sleuth anyone who hasn't been named a suspect or POI by LE (except MR), which would include looking at how long he had lived with them and/or what the relationship was like before the move. MOO

I hear ya Im not saying you cant leave them alone what I have issue with is coming home and finding him gone without a trace! And then taking a nap.
Esp if you text him and there is no reply and there was no reply when you tried earlier.
This child didnt drive. He had a bike but it was still outside!
Bike is still there but a fishing pole is gone?
Just does not add up to me.

I question this man I really do, JMO

He knew how much Dylan and his friends were looking forward to getting together so I don't think it would be unreasonable for him to assume that one of the other parents may have come and picked him up.

Originally Posted by Babbi-Dan
My husband has a degree in psychology and often says if a teenager doesn't test positive for schizophrenia then something is wrong with him/her. It's just a stage they go through and usually outgrow. Point being, it is normal for a teenager to be unpredictable!

When my older son was about 15 his father called me saying he was concerned about his recent behavior, and he wanted me to check my medical books to see if I could figure out what was going on. I hadn't noticed anything strange about his behavior, but I checked anyway. I read a long list of "symptoms" I found under one condition, and he said, "That's him exactly! What's it from?" I was reading a description of adolescent behavior to him. He failed to be amused. MOO
 
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