CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[nursebeeme]

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This, to me, is the odd part of that statement. It is a concern that where ever Dylan is, this bickering between ER & MR could be used against Dylan is a mean spirited way by some abducter - which to me is what MR is trying to say in the first part of the statement. BUT then he puts it squarely on Dylan by saying "who knows ......" What the he&** does that mean?

Very odd thing to say.

Salem

Ita :what:

 

[cluciano63]

I think Dylan is too to be told it is better if he stays with his "protector" as his parents don't care about him, etc...

I also think it impossible that any relation of either parent took Dylan. LE cannot be that incompetent as to not have verified the whereabouts of any relatives who knew Dylan, or knew of him and it pretty clear that LE is not seeking a specific person. They have even said they have no idea what happened to Dylan, other than a few stabs at guessing.

IMO, no one has Dylan in a cabin or anywhere else. The K-9 searcher may be the best chance to locate him.

 

[The Cheese]

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This, to me, is the odd part of that statement. It is a concern that where ever Dylan is, this bickering between ER & MR could be used against Dylan is a mean spirited way by some abducter - which to me is what MR is trying to say in the first part of the statement. BUT then he puts it squarely on Dylan by saying "who knows ......" What the he&** does that mean?

Very odd thing to say.

Salem

I take it as Mark is *afraid* (this is his fear, his worry) Dylan sees the conflict, but *who knows...* (he is thinking his fear may not be grounded after all because he doesn't know for sure what Dylan would think).

Maybe Mark has read the recent articles about Katie Beers, who was abducted by a nutjob and kept in a tiny dungeon he'd built to stash her in. The abductor had put a TV in the dungeon, and Katie would watch the news stories about her.

Perhaps someone gave one of these articles to Mark, to give him hope that Dylan might still be found alive like Katie was. I could see, reading that, that either of Mark's parents might start considering if Dylan can see them on the news, and what he would be seeing.

I've followed Katie's case, and I'm looking forward to reading her book she's written.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

He's worried that Dylan is alive and being held captive and it's going to upset him that his parents are bickering? Seriously? Shouldn't Dylan be more concerned about being held captive and his abductor tormenting or killing him? Wouldn't that be his concern? And if Dylan is watching what's going on, there really hasn't been interviews and such showing his parents bickering has there? As far as I know they haven't done any such interview together.

I find it odd that MR is concerned about this but not concerned about getting his sons name and face out there and is too 'busy' to go on Dr Phil which could get his face out to millions. Especially since he thinks he's still alive.

 

[Confusion]

I think Dylan is too to be told it is better if he stays with his "protector" as his parents don't care about him, etc...

I also think it impossible that any relation of either parent took Dylan. LE cannot be that incompetent as to not have verified the whereabouts of any relatives who knew Dylan, or knew of him and it pretty clear that LE is not seeking a specific person. They have even said they have no idea what happened to Dylan, other than a few stabs at guessing.

IMO, no one has Dylan in a cabin or anywhere else. The K-9 searcher may be the best chance to locate him.

BBM

If that was in response to me, I didn't mean it was to make him think he was better off with the person who had him. It is possible that the person would say both statements I mentioned, but I think it's more like that only one was used (which is why I sad OR rather than AND). If Dylan could be convinced that one parent didn't care, and the other parent was involved in his abduction (because that parent did care), he'd be less likely to tell LE who had him for fear of getting that parent in trouble.

 

[cfreyja23]

He's worried that Dylan is alive and being held captive and it's going to upset him that his parents are bickering? Seriously? Shouldn't Dylan be more concerned about being held captive and his abductor tormenting or killing him? Wouldn't that be his concern? And if Dylan is watching what's going on, there really hasn't been interviews and such showing his parents bickering has there? As far as I know they haven't done any such interview together.

I find it odd that MR is concerned about this but not concerned about getting his sons name and face out there and is too 'busy' to go on Dr Phil which could get his face out to millions. Especially since he thinks he's still alive.

BBM. I completely agree that this was a very weird statement to make IMO. Now, I've never had a missing child, so I'm speculating here, but I cannot imagine that, when voicing my fears about my missing child, the first thing I'd think of is whether my child is out there somewhere seeing his parents bicker.

 

[cfreyja23]

IMOO, if MR is completely innocent of harming his son, he is not making his situation better by making what I consider to be suspicious statements. In my career, I am accustomed to using people's words against them. Some people making it easier than others, but that's because they are being deceptive. Someone who isn't lying or hiding something is very, very hard to cross-examine or misconstrue.

 

[jjenny]

I didn't see where he said it was a reason for him to stay away, only that he was afraid that he was out there being able to see it. Did I miss something, or is that just speculation? TIA

So what it is do you think he meant by what he said?

 

[thepinkdragon]

IMOO, if MR is completely innocent of harming his son, he is not making his situation better by making what I consider to be suspicious statements. In my career, I am accustomed to using people's words against them. Some people making it easier than others, but that's because they are being deceptive. Someone who isn't lying or hiding something is very, very hard to cross-examine or misconstrue.

I think both parents have made rather odd statements in regard to who could have taken Dylan. I'm surprised that many don't believe it is possible for someone close to the family or a distant Relative to have taken him. I sometimes wonder if his parents don't already have suspicions they may know the person who took him and that they haven't voiced it publicly because they are sending verbal cues to release Dylan through the press to his abductor. JMO


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[jjenny]

I think both parents have made rather odd statements in regard to who could have taken Dylan. I'm surprised that many don't believe it is possible for someone close to the family or a distant Relative to have taken him. I sometimes wonder if his parents don't already have suspicions they may know the person who took him and that they haven't voiced it publicly because they are sending verbal cues to release Dylan through the press to his abductor. JMO


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Instead of releasing "verbal clues" one would think they would have just told police about their suspicions.

 

[KateNY]

maybe he was just having a hard time stringing his thoughts together

as he said, it's Flustrating


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[thepinkdragon]

Instead of releasing "verbal clues" one would think they would have just told police about their suspicions.

One would think so yes. But what if they somehow felt something they said was taken out of context and caused this event to transpire? Then they would feel indirectly responsible. I wish I could explain my thinking more. I have family members who would pull something like this and not think twice about it. Maybe that is why I just see things differently. MOO


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[cfreyja23]

I think both parents have made rather odd statements in regard to who could have taken Dylan. I'm surprised that many don't believe it is possible for someone close to the family or a distant Relative to have taken him. I sometimes wonder if his parents don't already have suspicions they may know the person who took him and that they haven't voiced it publicly because they are sending verbal cues to release Dylan through the press to his abductor. JMO


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I've listened to/read her interviews and did not see anything that stood out, in comparison to a laundry list of unusual statements by MR, IMO. I haven't discounted any theory, and I imagine your scenario is certainly possible and it's as good as any other. I just find it very hard to believe though that someone related to a teenager could keep them quiet and hidden this long. Who can keep a teenager quiet and off his phone, period?

 

[jjenny]

One would think so yes. But what if they somehow felt something they said was taken out of context and caused this event to transpire? Then they would feel indirectly responsible. I wish I could explain my thinking more. I have family members who would pull something like this and not think twice about it. Maybe that is why I just see things differently. MOO


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However indirectly responsible they might have felt, it's been almost 3 months. Any normal person would have told police a long time ago about their suspicions.
Who is going to sit around releasing "verbal clues" if they know where their child is?

 

[SCHMAE]

I think MR once again said something that eludes sensible and whether or not it means anything, who can say. I'll have to leave that for the analysis folks. Today at work , I got a bit edgy as I was leaving because that's what I do sometimes. When I got to my car I was thinking..... did I just make a complete idiot of myself? Was I rambling? No one was interrogating me....... I'd done nothing wrong...........nothing out of the normal........just felt a little antsy and wanted to head out the door and probably sounded looney as I did it. FWIW < JMO Etc !

 

[MrsPC]

Looking at MR from the beginning til now...IMO, I still believe he's enjoying this.

In the beginning he was practically invisible...not speaking to ER or CR or the media, but then as more time elapses and he sees that no arrest is made he's feeling more confident and speaking out more...but when it comes to details & timelines he talks in circles... and then talking about Dylan hitchhiking and "never met a stranger" he's promoting that Dylan just took off with someone. And somehow he always manages to get in some sort of "dig" or what seems to be a deliberate word or statement to antagonize ER. It's almost like he's feeling cocky now.

I've always wondered if when someone gets away with a crime or if they think they've gotten away with a crime if it sort of empowers them...like Drew Peterson.

IMO, that's what's happening before our eyes in this case.

 

[Allusonz]

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This, to me, is the odd part of that statement. It is a concern that where ever Dylan is, this bickering between ER & MR could be used against Dylan is a mean spirited way by some abducter - which to me is what MR is trying to say in the first part of the statement. BUT then he puts it squarely on Dylan by saying "who knows ......" What the he&** does that mean?

Very odd thing to say.

Salem

Salem I hope you don't mind I am going to use your post just to jump off of.

When I ran away, both my mother and father were adamant that there was not a chance I would of done such a thing. Look how wonderful my life was.

I had a nice house, was starting school in a new area, had lots of new friends, nice clothes, a new stepfather. The fact was it was my mother that had the brand new house that she loved, was in a position now that she no longer had to work, she was the one meeting lots of new people, she did not have to worry so much about money thus she was fixated on material items, and her brand new husband was the love of her life NOT mine.

I did not want to move away from MY friends. I had to move into a new house, with a man I was determined not to like (even though he really was nice), I was tired of the tug and pull between my mother and my father. In a nutshell, the things that were important to her were not important to me.

I was lucky when I ran away that I did not meet up with a predator. This does not mean I was not a target for them, I simply got lucky. There are various types of predators. Most times we hear about RSO's, but rarely do we hear of various groups/individuals that actively "recruit" (my description) the type of kid I was or the individuals that rationalize what they do, as they believe they are going to provide a "better" life for the runaway. NOTE: I am not limiting this to the sex trade.

Dylan has 3 groups in his life. Yup 3 not 2. He has his family from his father's first marriage, his mother and brother namely ER and CR, and finally he has his father, namely MR. All 3 groups should be completely ashamed of themselves for various reasons, but mostly because they have closed their minds to ALL possibilities, and have instead chosen to mudsling instead of focusing on Dylan. The attacks have been done publicly, nationally and local, and through the use of multiple social media pages. It has been done maliciously, without thought of what is in the best interest of finding Dylan, and have been fuelled by outsiders that have not taken into consideration the dynamics of the families involved. The outsiders should be ashamed of themselves.

I don't know what happened here. I don't know who is responsible, what I do know is we are on thread 35.

 

[azgrandma]

I think both parents have made rather odd statements in regard to who could have taken Dylan. I'm surprised that many don't believe it is possible for someone close to the family or a distant Relative to have taken him. I sometimes wonder if his parents don't already have suspicions they may know the person who took him and that they haven't voiced it publicly because they are sending verbal cues to release Dylan through the press to his abductor. JMO


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I would think that if either parent suspected someone in particular of abducting their child, they would not send clues, they would send the cops.

 

[thepinkdragon]

However indirectly responsible they might have felt, it's been almost 3 months. Any normal person would have told police a long time ago about their suspicions.
Who is going to sit around releasing "verbal clues" if they know where their child is?

Maybe they aren't actually certain and don't want to cast suspicion on would be innocent people. It seems to me that both parents feel the other is involved somehow which to me says a lot. We don't know the entire family and friend history. There could be a backstory we have no inkling of. I just think at this point anything is possible. Plus, who is to say they haven't voiced their concerns and nothing panned out because there is no evidence. I don't think Dylan is in the area he went missing from but I do think he is within a days driving distance. Again JMO


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[azgrandma]

The facts can&#8217;t be discounted, manipulated or ignored to fit a crime. They either need to all be accepted or not.

Here are some theories: All IMO

Family member / friend of ER or MR abducted Dylan to rescue him. That accounts for MR & ER not knowing where Dylan is. If that theory is to be believed, then this family member or friend convinced Dylan to take all of his belongings with him.
How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn&#8217;t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime. The theory that the battery died, the phone crashed, the charger wouldn&#8217;t re-charge the phone, that is manipulating the facts.

Keep in mind that family & friends have most likely been interviewed and or public, so IF this happened, they are very confident that Dylan is secured away.

Stranger / occasional family friend abduction, again that accounts for ER & MR not knowing where Dylan is. Again, this stranger / occasional family friend was able to find every possible opportunity and timing to take Dylan and all his belongings.
How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn&#8217;t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime.

Dylan ran away. This is possibly the most unlikely. I personally find it hard to believe that a 13 yo now 14 yo is so intelligent that he is able to disappear so well and survive so well that there is not one trace of his existence anywhere. Keep in mind that we all have just learned of a 33 yo Navy & LAPD trained male that wasn&#8217;t able to disappear himself with all his training without leaving a trace, but Dylan could.
Again, How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn&#8217;t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime.

MR disappeared Dylan and has him in hiding (with or without the help of another). This would account for all the facts that we know, the cell phone stopped working Sunday evening. MR&#8217;s accounts for Monday are fabricated. His employment has allowed him the opportunity since Dylan&#8217;s disappearance to move outside of the eye of LE to allow opportunity to check on Dylan&#8217;s well being.
Although one of the biggest facts is accounted for, the phone. Many of the actions of MR since Dylan&#8217;s disappearance would have to be discounted or excused. Again, this is ignoring or discounting the known facts to make it fit the crime. Not impossible but highly improbable.

Both ER and CR have solid alibis during the time in question. Work and home, not to mention an approximate 300 mile distance from Dylan. Neither of them would have been privy to MR&#8217;s appointment & errands on Monday morning or the location of Dylan on Monday morning. The cell phone would also have to be discounted again.

Dylan is deceased and has been since Sunday evening; yes I personally despise this option. Every fact fits without altering it and is not ignored. Facts being things that LE has indicated, anything MR has offered is not a fact as far as LE has indicated one way or another.

IMO, ignoring any fact to fit the conclusion that is most appealing is not in the best interest of anything.

What am I missing? I know I&#8217;m missing something.

Sorry this is so long, I wanted to be as thorough as possible and know I missed something &#61514;