CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Kamille]

Well, I thought a lot about the pole yesterday and suggested that instead of heading to Bayfield, Dylan was headed over to his friend T's to kill a couple hours while he waited for MR. Taking the pole thinking they might fish.

I think there are differing stories from ER and MR as to whether Dylan would fish.

I think T lives about 4 miles away. I'm not sure Dylan would decide to take a 4 mile hike or even hitch to see him, with all of his belongings, without first trying to contact him to see if he was home.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Oh that's a good approach that I had not considered. Going in search of a phone.

We don't know what the lock situation is on MR's door, whether it's a dead bolt or just a locking door knob so it's hard to say whether he may have locked himself out. I would think he'd head to one of the neighbour's homes if he was seeking out a phone though. And again that's assuming that his own phone was dead because it's with him in this scenario.

MOO

 

[Chili Fries]

Oh that's a good approach that I had not considered. Going in search of a phone.

Mark has a landline.

 

[Confusion]

BBM, How could I have missed this ?

As for the game, it's more like pretend LE came out tomorrow and definitely cleared MR.......then what ? What can we explore if MR is off the table?

Okay, I'm going to try to redo my "X-files" into one post that's easier to follow. Using the name X seems a bit weird, so I'm going to change it to Pat. I know it's poor grammar to use "plural" pronouns when referring to one person, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Sunday night, Dylan texts with his friends until about 9:30, while he and MR are on the way home and later watching the movie. He's also playing a game, and shortly after MR goes to bed (around 10-10:30) the battery dies and he just turns off the light and tv and goes to sleep.

Pat knows both of Dylan's parents and has been aware of their conflicts for quite a while. One of the parents mentioned to Pat that Dylan would be going to Vallecito for the week of Thanksgiving, and Pat thought it would be a good chance to prove their friendship. MR had mentioned to Pat that he had to go to Durango early on Monday morning and Pat decided that would be a good time to make a move. Not knowing that Dylan was supposed to be in Bayfield that morning, Pat stops at the house about 9:00 that morning and talks to him saying that one of the parents had asked them to make sure he was okay.

He's watching tv, charging his phone and eating a bowl of cereal when Pat gets there, and just hurries and grabs his things when he's offered a ride to RN's house after talking for a few minutes. When Dylan mentions letting his dad know where he is, Pat says it's ok because they're going to be talking to him shortly and would let him know where he is and convince him it's okay for him to spend the night. Since it is still fairly early, and he'll be there soon, Dylan decides to wait until they're almost there to let RN know he's coming. When they get out to the vehicle, Pat throws Dylan's things in back and they take off.

Dylan leans back and is half dozing as they drive, and doesn't realize at first that they're heading the wrong way. When he does mention it, Pat just tells him they have to stop for a minute because of something that was forgotten at home. When they get there, Pat invites Dylan in for a glass of juice, or something, and he's not allowed to leave. Because the home isn't in the Bayfield area, the home isn't searched, at least not immediately. Eventually Dylan could be moved somewhere else and stay with someone Pat completely trusts, while they try to figure out how they're going to return him without going to prison.

I think I forgot a bunch of details, but it's probably more than most people want to read anyway! Do I win the game? :great: I think I made it fit MR's statements. MOO

 

[deoneta]

So I've been thinking about past tense language. Think about this .
What was your child / spouse/ friend wearing last time you saw them?
They're alive and well , mind you .
In your mind did you think " My sister IS wearing a red shirt and blue jeans
and she HAS her hair in a braid'' ? Or did you think ' My sister was wearing a
red shirt and blue jeans and had her hair in a braid ' ?

I'm thinking right now of my kids when they left today and if someone asked
I would say " She was wearing her black t shirt and she had her glasses on " Those are past tense. But they're present ! Could this explain some of MR's statements?

By the way , ya'll are totally not playing the game right

Underlined by me. In your example, it's only past tense, the way I see it. She was wearing is past progressive tense. The way I understand the tense deal is that people speaking truthfully from memory will naturally use the past tense. Those who are deceptive will use the present tense as they are creating, not remembering.

I honestly tried to be a good sport and play along, but the "no contact" and the fishing pole get in my way. And the coincidences that have to be explained away. Not saying there isn't a plausible explanation for every issue when taken separately. It's just when looking at the larger picture, there's just so many coincidences for me to put forth a reasonable theory. All MOO.

 

[thepinkdragon]

Okay, I'm going to try to redo my "X-files" into one post that's easier to follow. Using the name X seems a bit weird, so I'm going to change it to Pat. I know it's poor grammar to use "plural" pronouns when referring to one person, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Sunday night, Dylan texts with his friends until about 9:30, while he and MR are on the way home and later watching the movie. He's also playing a game, and shortly after MR goes to bed (around 10-10:30) the battery dies and he just turns off the light and tv and goes to sleep.

Pat knows both of Dylan's parents and has been aware of their conflicts for quite a while. One of the parents mentioned to Pat that Dylan would be going to Vallecito for the week of Thanksgiving, and Pat thought it would be a good chance to prove their friendship. MR had mentioned to Pat that he had to go to Durango early on Monday morning and Pat decided that would be a good time to make a move. Not knowing that Dylan was supposed to be in Bayfield that morning, Pat stops at the house about 9:00 that morning and talks to him saying that one of the parents had asked them to make sure he was okay.

He's watching tv, charging his phone and eating a bowl of cereal when Pat gets there, and just hurries and grabs his things when he's offered a ride to RN's house after talking for a few minutes. When Dylan mentions letting his dad know where he is, Pat says it's ok because they're going to be talking to him shortly and would let him know where he is and convince him it's okay for him to spend the night. Since it is still fairly early, and he'll be there soon, Dylan decides to wait until they're almost there to let RN know he's coming. When they get out to the vehicle, Pat throws Dylan's things in back and they take off.

Dylan leans back and is half dozing as they drive, and doesn't realize at first that they're heading the wrong way. When he does mention it, Pat just tells him they have to stop for a minute because of something that was forgotten at home. When they get there, Pat invites Dylan in for a glass of juice, or something, and he's not allowed to leave. Because the home isn't in the Bayfield area, the home isn't searched, at least not immediately. Eventually Dylan could be moved somewhere else and stay with someone Pat completely trusts, while they try to figure out how they're going to return him without going to prison.

I think I forgot a bunch of details, but it's probably more than most people want to read anyway! Do I win the game? :great: I think I made it fit MR's statements. MOO

This is my theory as well. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.


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[tamild]

Snip:


Playing along:

Start earlier in the morning. Dylan gives his dad grief about waking up, however it's stated, and hears dad start the pickup and drive away. Panics, grabs his stuff (quickest thing to do is stuff his phone and charger into his backpack), runs out the door. Now it's 7:30am, Dylan is really upset that he missed his ride. Dylan may or may not have been locked outside.

What happens next?

1) Stranger or acquaintance coincidently drives up and lures him into the vehicle, taking/disabling the phone before Dylan can use it
2) Acquaintance sees MR drive away and drives up, scooping up Dylan and taking/disabling phone before Dylan can use it
3) Dylan, angry that his dad left him, starts walking down the road ie runs away. May or may not be abducted at some point away from the house.
anything else?

JMO, but if he couldn't get back in the house and his phone was dead we could add

4)Goes into the woods to kill time, gets lost, hurt, etc
5)Takes a shortcut through the woods to get to Bayfield and gets hurt, lost, etc
6)Heads to the campground and meets up with the wrong stranger
7)seeks a phone and ends up knocking on the wrong door
8)walks down the road, gets hit by a driver blinded by the morning sun
9)sticks out his thumb and gets picked up by the wrong person

 

[nikb]

I think T lives about 4 miles away. I'm not sure Dylan would decide to take a 4 mile hike or even hitch to see him, with all of his belongings, without first trying to contact him to see if he was home.

MOO

I'm curious about your opinion and asking because I don't have kids, is 4 miles THAT far for a 13-14 year old to walk? Would it seem far to him?

I have physical limitations so anything over about a mile sounds far to me, but I know my husband's talked about how he walked, biked, etc. a lot as a teenager. 4 miles wouldn't have caused him to hesitate heading to a friend's house on foot. Calling first probably wouldn't have even occurred to him. I've lost track of how many times we've dropped by his friends' houses to say hi without even knowing if they were home, and that's him as an adult with me being a pest about "did you call and make sure they're expecting us?" As a teen I'm sure he'd have walked or biked to their house, and kept on going to the next friend's house until he found someone home.

Of course every person and every generation's different, but I'm trying to think of what's likely for Dylan. I do feel like if he could, Dylan probably would've tried to contact the friend first, especially now in the age of cell phones and texting when everyone's so reachable. But if he couldn't reach the friend for whatever reason - dead phone, didn't know the phone #, etc, would 4 miles seem like such a long walk that he wouldn't attempt it?

Sorry, I know I'm kinda all over the place, just trying to think of possibilities.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Okay, I'm going to try to redo my "X-files" into one post that's easier to follow. Using the name X seems a bit weird, so I'm going to change it to Pat. I know it's poor grammar to use "plural" pronouns when referring to one person, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Sunday night, Dylan texts with his friends until about 9:30, while he and MR are on the way home and later watching the movie. He's also playing a game, and shortly after MR goes to bed (around 10-10:30) the battery dies and he just turns off the light and tv and goes to sleep.

Pat knows both of Dylan's parents and has been aware of their conflicts for quite a while. One of the parents mentioned to Pat that Dylan would be going to Vallecito for the week of Thanksgiving, and Pat thought it would be a good chance to prove their friendship. MR had mentioned to Pat that he had to go to Durango early on Monday morning and Pat decided that would be a good time to make a move. Not knowing that Dylan was supposed to be in Bayfield that morning, Pat stops at the house about 9:00 that morning and talks to him saying that one of the parents had asked them to make sure he was okay.

He's watching tv, charging his phone and eating a bowl of cereal when Pat gets there, and just hurries and grabs his things when he's offered a ride to RN's house after talking for a few minutes. When Dylan mentions letting his dad know where he is, Pat says it's ok because they're going to be talking to him shortly and would let him know where he is and convince him it's okay for him to spend the night. Since it is still fairly early, and he'll be there soon, Dylan decides to wait until they're almost there to let RN know he's coming. When they get out to the vehicle, Pat throws Dylan's things in back and they take off.

Dylan leans back and is half dozing as they drive, and doesn't realize at first that they're heading the wrong way. When he does mention it, Pat just tells him they have to stop for a minute because of something that was forgotten at home. When they get there, Pat invites Dylan in for a glass of juice, or something, and he's not allowed to leave. Because the home isn't in the Bayfield area, the home isn't searched, at least not immediately. Eventually Dylan could be moved somewhere else and stay with someone Pat completely trusts, while they try to figure out how they're going to return him without going to prison.

I think I forgot a bunch of details, but it's probably more than most people want to read anyway! Do I win the game? :great: I think I made it fit MR's statements. MOO

Thanks for spelling it out this way. I think if this is the scenario, Pat is just as nuts as so many of us think MR is. Pat has effectively abducted and imprisoned a teenage boy for almost three months. I might see this over the holiday week but I cannot see it now. I hope I'm wrong because at least this scenario leaves Dylan alive and hopefully well. I wonder if the LE hinky meter has gone off in regards to any acquaintances?

 

[tamild]

Not to be rude or make a joke, but is it hard for me to imagine anyone taking a teenage boy to keep. I mean, if he is not yours, they are not exactly the easiest or most lovable people in the world, IMO. Really would leave only a pretty specific type of pedophile, just happened to catch Dylan at the only time he was probably going to be alone on that entire trip, and even was only alone then by accident, more or less.

The thing about the pedophile that worries me most is that Dylan looks (IMO) much younger than he is. It's a nauseating thought, but I think he may be more "acceptable" to a broader range of pedophiles than we think.

 

[jjenny]

So, in that scenario, both parents know "Pat," they've told him a lot of details about their life, Dylan visiting, Dylan being home alone. Yet they are not suspicious, and neither is the police? If anything, stranger abduction seems more plausible. Of course then we still have to explain away why Dylan was not using his cell phone.

 

[rebeccaeee]

The thing about the pedophile that worries me most is that Dylan looks (IMO) much younger than he is. It's a nauseating thought, but I think he may be more "acceptable" to a broader range of pedophiles than we think.

Agreed. In some pics he looks about 10 but never, IMO, 13 or 14.

 

[SCHMAE]

Snip:


Playing along:

Start earlier in the morning. Dylan gives his dad grief about waking up, however it's stated, and hears dad start the pickup and drive away. Panics, grabs his stuff (quickest thing to do is stuff his phone and charger into his backpack), runs out the door. Now it's 7:30am, Dylan is really upset that he missed his ride. Dylan may or may not have been locked outside.

What happens next?

1) Stranger or acquaintance coincidently drives up and lures him into the vehicle, taking/disabling the phone before Dylan can use it
2) Acquaintance sees MR drive away and drives up, scooping up Dylan and taking/disabling phone before Dylan can use it
3) Dylan, angry that his dad left him, starts walking down the road ie runs away. May or may not be abducted at some point away from the house.
anything else?

Thanks for playing ! I wondered this in the last day or so. They come home somewhat late -ish on Sunday. Who's to say Dylan ever' unpacked' his backpack and therefore the next morning imagining him gather all his stuff before he leaves is eliminated. Maybe he just put his phone in his pocket, picked up his backpack. Because I have been thinking why / or WHO would take the time to gather all his stuff. Maybe there was no gathering. Maybe it was all still in one place from the night before. Could be ?

 

[Dee10]

I'm curious about your opinion and asking because I don't have kids, is 4 miles THAT far for a 13-14 year old to walk? Would it seem far to him?

I have physical limitations so anything over about a mile sounds far to me, but I know my husband's talked about how he walked, biked, etc. a lot as a teenager. 4 miles wouldn't have caused him to hesitate heading to a friend's house on foot. Calling first probably wouldn't have even occurred to him. I've lost track of how many times we've dropped by his friends' houses to say hi without even knowing if they were home, and that's him as an adult with me being a pest about "did you call and make sure they're expecting us?" As a teen I'm sure he'd have walked or biked to their house, and kept on going to the next friend's house until he found someone home.

Of course every person and every generation's different, but I'm trying to think of what's likely for Dylan. I do feel like if he could, Dylan probably would've tried to contact the friend first, especially now in the age of cell phones and texting when everyone's so reachable. But if he couldn't reach the friend for whatever reason - dead phone, didn't know the phone #, etc, would 4 miles seem like such a long walk that he wouldn't attempt it?

Sorry, I know I'm kinda all over the place, just trying to think of possibilities.

ER did not believe Dylan would walk anywhere. So, if that is the case that he decided to walk 4 miles. I think he would have called lst to make sure he wasn't walking all that way for nothing. MR had a landline & he could have looked the last name up or called info. If Dylan were to go to T's why would he have not taken the bike that was there? Also nobody saw Dylan walking, anywhere. His father was suppose to pick him up at 11:00 to take him to the friend he had planned to visit. To many weird things would have to happen for me to believe this.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Back when all the speculation was happening about the ipod-texting situation, I thought the train of thought seemed extraneous. I thought I was pretty tech savvy, but this morning I asked my own 13 year old daughter to clarify a few things, and I wanted to share this info.

Advantages of texting through an ipod:
1. QWERTY keyboard. Prior to getting her smartphone, DD had a flip phone with the older style of texting (tapping '5' three times to yield the letter "L") The QWERTY keyboard made communicating WAY less tedious.
2. Multi-tasking. Games, internet, youtube, etc, in between texting.

Disadvantages:
1. Wifi-dependent (already heavily discussed on here) which means no texting in the car or on the go... but there are still apps that live on the the ipod that can be accessed without wifi. To clarify, the ipod is not completely useless without wifi.
2. Charging was SUPER inconvenient. This was a doozy in our house, because when the kids' docking stations weren't working properly, they'd jam up our computer ports running the usb-to-ipod cords. They also discovered they could charge them via the ports in the wii and in the blu ray player.

3. This was the revelation for me-- the texting via ipod app had to be separate from your mobile phone number (which we've talked about a bit on here) but when the app assigns a new phone number to you, it causes some confusion, at least at first. The numbers appear to be assigned at random, so even though we live in TX our then-eleven-year-old was now texting us from a New Jersey area code. Pretty disconcerting!

The other thing is, since the message is arriving from a different number, none of the recipients recognizes the user at first, so the user has to identify himself or herself at the start of the message-- an extra step, often requiring an extra explanation, too, before they can even get the conversation started.

regarding Dylan's iPod and his number assigned for texting abilities.. whatever the number is LE do have this knowledge and information about Dylan's iPod texting acct. so they are fully aware of every person that was ever contacted via text on the iPod as well as every person who had contacted Dylan thru his iPod..

also the inconvenient charging issued described above no longer exists as ipods now simply charge via a wall charger just like cell phone.

 

[jjenny]

Snip:


Playing along:

Start earlier in the morning. Dylan gives his dad grief about waking up, however it's stated, and hears dad start the pickup and drive away. Panics, grabs his stuff (quickest thing to do is stuff his phone and charger into his backpack), runs out the door. Now it's 7:30am, Dylan is really upset that he missed his ride. Dylan may or may not have been locked outside.

What happens next?

1) Stranger or acquaintance coincidently drives up and lures him into the vehicle, taking/disabling the phone before Dylan can use it
2) Acquaintance sees MR drive away and drives up, scooping up Dylan and taking/disabling phone before Dylan can use it
3) Dylan, angry that his dad left him, starts walking down the road ie runs away. May or may not be abducted at some point away from the house.
anything else?

According to MR, Dylan was "out like a light" and MR couldn't wake him up despite trying and trying. Also Dylan somehow understood that MR was leaving, yet didn't get up. So I don't envision Dylan running after MR's pickup, based on claims made by MR.

 

[Kamille]

So, in that scenario, both parents know "Pat," they've told him a lot of details about their life, Dylan visiting, Dylan being home alone. Yet they are not suspicious, and neither is the police? If anything, stranger abduction seems more plausible. Of course then we still have to explain away why Dylan was not using his cell phone.

To elaborate on this, how many people are still in both ER and MR's life as friends and would have the information that Dylan was visiting that week. And they must have spoken with MR sometime after he made that lawyer's appt. I would think this person would be obvious to both of them....and very mentally ill.

MOO

 

[jjenny]

Spanish, or hispanic? If it's Spanish, I've been picturing a totally different person they're looking for. Apologies, I didn't read the original MSM story that had this and can't seem to find it now.

Hispanic.

 

[cluciano63]

To elaborate on this, how many people are still in both ER and MR's life as friends and would have the information that Dylan was visiting that week. And they must have spoken with MR sometime after he made that lawyer's appt. I would think this person would be obvious to both of them....and very mentally ill.

MOO

And know where MR lives. And that Dylan would be home alone.

Does anyone recall when this visit was confirmed by the courts?
Was it months before, a week before?
The shorter the timeframe, the fewer people who would probably know, IMO.

Also, when a child visits a parent they do not see often, who would expect the child to be alone?

 

[jjenny]

R is a child MR is dylans father why should R be concerned when D's dad didnt let him go the night before He probably figured Dylan had to bail yet again and wasnt coming. Why would R be concerned?

ITA. I don't understand why some posters expect R to be concerned (sending a couple of text messages in the morning, but not getting a response) whereas Dylan's own father came home and took a nap (apparently not being concerned despite not getting a response to his text messages). R wasn't in charge of Dylan. Dylan's father was in charge of him.