CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[mijamawi]

No, not at all. It's used to create a spark to light a gas. It's basically just metal and flint.

Ok, my home is all electric so I guess we wouldn't need that? Is it that long lighter thing? Sorry, y'all have to spell it out for me, is it a lighter drug addicts use??? Apparently so if the passive aggressive post about Whitney Houston dying close to the date was used.

 

[NC Analyzer]

@Otto, for what it's worth, MSM interviewed the boys (and you know how WS is about MSM only, lol). His friends said "they" hitched a ride one time when they were all together because it was snowing and they didn't want to walk home from the library. The boys later said they didn't know of any other time Dylan tried to hitch a ride. That was when the family lived in the town Dylan was planning to meet up with his friends.

The accusations about "maternal side" you are hearing is because mom came right out and said she suspected dad did something with her son because he had the attitude that if he couldn't have him, she couldn't have him either. I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that this isn't exactly father of the year. It doesn't make him a murderer, but there are a lot of red flags. Both father and mother have discounted that he was a runaway, but father wavers back and forth and changes this viewpoint often. LE is who ruled out the runaway aspect after extensive searches in the area. Dad had made several unusual accusations about the mother as well. A lot of muddy water here.
JMO

 

[otto]

Yes as do I - it's a modem and wireless router combined. We each have laptops and other ipads/pods all being used wirelessly. The extender I described was needed because one device upstairs needed to be connected directly to the modem. I think this strand of conversation began because people were wondering if wireless connection was available in MR's house.

Was it? ... if so, what computer activity was going on in the house after Dylan arrived?

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't understand why hitch hiking abduction is not a strong possibility.

Anything is possible, but if his father was coming back at 11:00, people have to wonder:
Why wouldn't he wait?
Why wouldn't he call his friends first?
Why would he take everything he had?
Why no contact with his cell phone?

There can be valid answers for all those questions, of course. But when you add all the answers up, how many coincidences have to happen for him to have walked out to hitchhike and just disappeared?
He would have decided not to get up at 6:30 when he was dying to see his friends. (My 13 year old son says doubtful)
He would have had to decide he was not waiting for his father. (My 13 year old son says he would not have waited if he was really ticked off for some reason)
His cell phone would have not recharged or been turned on for some reason. (My 13 year old son says very likely he forgot his charge cord)
He would have set out to see his friends without calling to see where they were. (My 13 year says maybe if he didn't know their phone number, only had it in his cell phone)
He would have managed to pick up everything he brought with him and got it into his backpack and taken it with him. (My 13 year old son says he'd miss something, but that would make sense to take if he wanted to spend the night with his friends)
He would have not been seen by anyone else traveling that road or he would have had to take a shortcut not on the road. (My 13 year old son says he'd have taken a shortcut)
If he was on the road, he managed to get picked up by a person who decided to kidnap him (how many kidnappers drive on that road? Maybe a lot...) (My 13 year old son says he would NEVER get in a car with a stranger, but he has never hitchhiked before)
If he was not on the road, the tracking dogs could not find his trail. (My 13 year old son says that makes no sense whatsoever.)

While the hitchhiking angle is far from eliminated, the circumstances that would lead up to it would have to be very coincidental, so not a slam dunk.

 

[i8mypaint]

Thanks. I like to visualize the situation and one way is through maps. I looked at the maps a long time ago, but don't remember any of the addresses. There was an address for dad and a town down the highway. Do you or anyone else have them handy?

Dad's story about Dylan doesn't seem right at all. Did he assume that his son was out hitch hiking? What is his explanation for why he thought it was perfectly normal that his son was not at home when he got home ... and that he was unable to contact him? Did he not think that it was his responsibility to know where his son was, or he didn't care enough to track down his son when he had no idea where he was or what he was doing? That doesn't sound right. Dad napped for six hours in the middle of the day? Does he work night shift or was her really hungover?

Well he did take a nap... he got back took a nap and then looked for Dylan

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I don't understand why hitch hiking abduction is not a strong possibility.

no phone activity since the sunday night

no contact with anyone after sunday night

no one saw Dylan on the road

no scent (?)

no footprints (?)

note: the (?) is a query because they have been mentioned on SM but not in MSM

the fathers story changes and there are things that seem inconsistant

 

[NC Analyzer]

Home was not a predator shopping area, but highways are shopping areas for opportunitistic pedophiles.

Very rural Otto. One local quoted as saying "one way in, one way out". Very small town. Closest town would be Bayfield. Durango is in the opposite direction. Kind of like a triangle. Just Google map it. Vallecito. There is a large reservoir and dad lived several miles north of the reservoir. His friends were in Bayfield.

 

[Ransom]

Thanks. I like to visualize the situation and one way is through maps. I looked at the maps a long time ago, but don't remember any of the addresses. There was an address for dad and a town down the highway. Do you or anyone else have them handy?

Dad's story about Dylan doesn't seem right at all. Did he assume that his son was out hitch hiking? What is his explanation for why he thought it was perfectly normal that his son was not at home when he got home ... and that he was unable to contact him? Did he not think that it was his responsibility to know where his son was, or he didn't care enough to track down his son when he had no idea where he was or what he was doing? That doesn't sound right. Dad napped for six hours in the middle of the day? Does he work night shift or was her really hungover?

http://www.apal.co/RV/6893/31395

2343 CR 500, Vallecito, CO

Dad's whereabouts were verified by LE during his trip away on 11/19/12. Dad returned home by 11:30 am (took a 2-3 hour nap). Checked a neighborhood kid/friend. Tracked down Bayfield friends at 4:19 per friends Texts to DR. Went to Bayfield Marshall's office and filed a report. Ex-wife notified by text and she filed a report to the La Plata Co Sheriff's office in Durango around the same time.

 

[Seajay]

Cheers. So is the theory that dad picked son up from the airport, they went home, dad murdered son, dad went shopping, dad came home hours later, son missing so he contacts authorities and ... authorities conclude that either he is a runaway or dad murdered him?

That's the Readers Digest version and the most prevalent working theory right now.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Was it? ... if so, what computer activity was going on in the house after Dylan arrived?

We have been in endless debates over every type of electronic communication device known to belong to dad or Dylan.
He stopped cell phone activity sometime between 8 pm and 9:37 pm
That is a debatable time because LE has put out some confusing info as well as reporters that have interviewed the parents.
But Dylan had an ipod. So there is debate about wireless capabilities at the home.
There was a computer in the home. Debate about whether it was laptop or desktop and accessible to Dylan
There was also a landline phone, but there is debate about him not knowing phone numbers or how to use a landline to obtain numbers.

It is endless debate here.

 

[Ransom]

Was it? ... if so, what computer activity was going on in the house after Dylan arrived?

LE has not said. FBI is involved and so they are mute about pings, etc. EXCEPT. Last text was 9:37 pm
Dylan sent text messages throughout the evening. Investigators say the last text went out at 9:37 p.m. Mark Redwine says he watched a movie with his son until about 10:30 p.m., and he went upstairs to bed as Dylan settled in for the night on the couch.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

 

[Allusonz]

It is a resort area Otto.

Vallecito Lake area is a perfect destination for summer fishing vacations, summer and fall fly fishing, or winter ice fishing. And a great location to land a record breaking fish!

The area also offers world-class hunting for Elk, Deer, Bear and Turkey.

During the winter season, you and your family can enjoy miles of cross-country skiing and snowmobiling trails.

Many lodges, rentals etc. in the area.

http://www.seeourlake.com/

 

[Confusion]

He did say he took a nap, but not for 6 hours. He got home around 11:30, and was awake by 2:30; he didn't say what time it was when he fell asleep. What I understood from what he said, he wasn't too worried at first because he knew he had wanted to see his friends. I think he assumed someone had given him a ride over there. He said he stopped at a local friend's house shortly after 3:00, but he wasn't there. He got to the home of the friend in Bayfield at around 4:15, called the mother shortly after that to see if she had heard from him, and then went to the Marshal's Office when she said she hadn't. She said she went home, packed a bag, grabbed her older son, and left right away. She also said that she called the Sheriff's Office to report him missing, but the Marshal's Office hadn't contacted them yet so it was officially said to be reported at about 6:00 pm. MOO or my interpretation, whatever.

 

[margarita25]

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/339/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

Hmmm...this statement seems to indicate they think Dylan did make it to the house then, right?

 

[i8mypaint]

He did say he took a nap, but not for 6 hours. He got home around 11:30, and was awake by 2:30; he didn't say what time it was when he fell asleep. What I understood from what he said, he wasn't too worried at first because he knew he had wanted to see his friends. I think he assumed someone had given him a ride over there. He said he stopped at a local friend's house shortly after 3:00, but he wasn't there. He got to the home of the friend in Bayfield at around 4:15, called the mother shortly after that to see if she had heard from him, and then went to the Marshal's Office when she said she hadn't. She said she went home, packed a bag, grabbed her older son, and left right away. She also said that she called the Sheriff's Office to report him missing, but the Marshal's Office hadn't contacted them yet so it was officially said to be reported at about 6:00 pm. MOO or my interpretation, whatever.

MR texted mom(ER). Did not call.

 

[Ronald99]

Did Dylan ever make it to the Fathers house ?

There's zero evidence to confirm he was there. They would've arrived around 8:15 - 8:30 PM from the timeline of leaving McDonald's that night, Dylan and Ryan sent multiple messages shortly after 8 PM.

The Father stated about the time you cross the Dam, the cell phone receives a signal, Dylan's cell phone quit communicating with the cell tower after the completion of text messages with Ryan shortly after 8 PM.

That movie i believe was Adventureland (2009)
107 min - Comedy | Drama | Romance - 3 April 2009 (USA)

Arriving at the Fathers house, putting away the few groceries, Passing the Football around, Dylan going upstairs to retrieve the DVD player so they can watch the movie, and the Father stated he went upstairs to bed around 10:30 PM.

Dylan was an avid texter, all the sudden his cell phone becomes unresponsive with the cell tower, Never to regain communications with any cell tower since that night. The Father didn't allow Dylan to stay with his friend Ryan that Sunday night, Yet it's okay to leave him alone the Following morning.

Where's the proof Dylan was ever at the Fathers house Sunday night November 18 2012

 

[tamild]

Thank you. I still don't quite get what Whitney Houston has to do with this. I guess I get it's a drug thing, but surely there are better lighters for drug use?

I don't think you could use it for drugs even if you wanted to.

 

[Confusion]

MR texted mom(ER). Did not call.

He contacted her on the phone. I don't really see what difference it makes as far as time goes. MOO

 

[NC Analyzer]

LE has not said. FBI is involved and so they are mute about pings, etc. EXCEPT. Last text was 9:37 pm
Dylan sent text messages throughout the evening. Investigators say the last text went out at 9:37 p.m. Mark Redwine says he watched a movie with his son until about 10:30 p.m., and he went upstairs to bed as Dylan settled in for the night on the couch.
http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/42/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

Nope. Sorry, but if we are going to quote LE this is the only thing they said about the 9:37 pm time:

Last electronic communication 9:37 pm (texting)

The did not specify if it was incoming or outgoing. They also did not specify if it was the cell or other "electronic communication"...of which there was the computer and ipod.

The reason for the debate is because many believe that dad took the phone away from Dylan shortly after 8 pm or that the battery went dead.
LE did not provide the last communication time until recently and the mother stated several times that the last activity on his cell record was at approx 8 pm. LE has not disputed this information provided by mom but they did add the wording electronic communication at a later time. There is MSM information regarding a conversation Dylan had with his friend R about their plans for the next day and the texts are shown in that convo. The conversation ends shortly after 8 pm and the mom said there wasn't anything more after that time.
MOO

 

[margarita25]

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

[B]http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/339/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine[/B]

""He took me and Dylan once or twice and would not tell us where my mom was at," C said.