CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[catswhiskers]

I found this part very apropos:

In these ”spousal revenge” cases – as recognised by the Freeman jury – fathers kill their children to punish their ex-partners. There is usually no prior violence against the children. In fact, they appear to love their children. The act of killing is directed towards harming the child’s mother. The motive is revenge.

http://americanmotherspoliticalpart...ll-their-children-to-punish-their-ex-partners

It's shocking information isn't it. I think we've all been aware of this happening, but maybe not so aware of its frequency. I also had a look at the article linked within that one - 175 Killer Dads just dreadful. I sincerely hope that Dylan hasn't been a victim of a crime like this.

 

[jjenny]

Let me see if I can find anything specific.

In the video interview with koattv, MR claimed Dylan knew that when MR got back, MR would be working on getting him down to his friends.

 

[cluciano63]

In the video interview with koattv, MR claimed Dylan knew that when MR got back, MR would be working on getting him down to his friends.

Such a weird way with words...working on getting him down to his friends? How about drive him there?

 

[jjenny]

But what did he understand? That MR was leaving without him?

MR claimed that Dylan understood that when MR got back, MR would be working on getting Dylan down to his friends. That was in a video interview (which is on youtube).

 

[jjenny]

Such a weird way with words...working on getting him down to his friends? How about drive him there?

ITA. What is there to work on? But that is what MR said.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

What if MR had not only recently lost his child support income but was now ordered to pay her child support? I don't know how long MR has worked for United Pipeline or how much money he makes in comparison to Elaine, but it seems reasonable to me that he might have recently been required to start paying her child support. I could see where this might enrage somebody like him. He's obviously seriously disturbed by the loss of his wife and sons. I think he has control issues and for him it's about winning more so than love. If he recently 'lost' I could see this sending him into a tailspin.

I never considered a scenario that included premeditated murder until this came out. And after I watched the uncut interview. It is so incredibly obvious TO ME that this man is lying and talking in circles. Now I am deeply saddened at the thought of this possibility.

I don't think anything is going to come of anything until Dylan is found. I have high hopes for Wendy/K9 Forensics.

This is all just MOO.

 

[TxJan1971]

Victims: Samuel (7) & Lindsey (8) Porter

After 15 years of marriage, and twenty years employment with the same company, on June 4, 2004, Daniel Porter changed his families lives forever. Father murdered children during court-ordered visitation. He took them to McDonald's and then drove them to a remote location in Sugar Creek. He said he told the kids he had something to show them in the woods, and then he blindfolded them and shot them

http://www.findmissingkids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2143&sid=4f6234b19362d30b7bf9ab264538a02c

 

[Seajay]

IMO I see no reason for any parent to murder their child. It's beyond my comprehension.
Court battles are not dances in which you can pick and choose if you want to tango. If you are in the process or have already completed a divorce, when an additional motion is filed with the courts, both parents are required to be present. That doesn't mean that they want to tango, it means they have to tango. Of course it is possible to ignore an order to appear, but most people don't.
IMO it's not about revenge at all.

I do believe she had to initiate the court involvement in her move to CS. I don't see him bringing that one to court considering he's the one who didn't want Dylan to go further away, making his visits harder to have. JMO though.

 

[findDylan]

Colorado is an interesting state when It comes to child support and alimony. Even though it's been more then 15 years, my ex had to pay child support even though he didn't have a job. They based it off what he made at previous jobs. I was working at the time. A family member just went and got "sole custody" meaning no visitation, no contact, nothing from the father. All the descisions are hers. He still has to pay child support. A person I know has to pay alimony and up until a few months ago the mortgage on a house she got in the divorce (they sold the house).

 

[SCHMAE]

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/battaglia-john-david.htm

Sorry this is just one I think of often because it was relatively local to me and
an absolute horror story ! When dad could no longer control his x with violence
and threats of violence and he felt he was about to be going to jail for repeatedly
breaking probation after DV charges, he got the ultimate revenge.

 

[cluciano63]

Colorado is an interesting state when It comes to child support and alimony. Even though it's been more then 15 years, my ex had to pay child support even though he didn't have a job. They based it off what he made at previous jobs. I was working at the time. A family member just went and got "sole custody" meaning no visitation, no contact, nothing from the father. All the descisions are hers. He still has to pay child support. A person I know has to pay alimony and up until a few months ago the mortgage on a house she got in the divorce (they sold the house).

I can see how a parent would get angry and possibly do something out of frustration or revenge.

 

[ColdHands]

I can see how a parent would get angry and possibly do something out of frustration or revenge.

I pay child support and alimony. It is what it is. The alimony is on a countdown, only 15 months left!

Normal people would go work it out through mediation (which is a requirement in Colorado, you only go to the judge after mediation fails).

 

[NC Analyzer]

I know this is hard to fathom for a lot of folks, but just Google it and you'll be shocked at how common it actually is. Thousands of cases; many of which don't receive national media exposure:

"One motive behind some cases of filicide -- the act of a parent killing a child -- is spousal revenge.

People motivated by spousal revenge want to take away the thing that is most precious to the spouse. The children are used as "an object in this war that they see with this other person," said Dr. Susan Hatters-Friedman, an associate professor of psychiatry and pediatrics at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine in Cleveland.

"It would be counterintuitive to the vast majority of the population that if you're mad at your ex-wife, you would kill your kids to get back at her," Hatters-Friedman said. "In order for those thoughts to cross (their) mind, often it would be someone with a personality disorder."

Dr. David Adams, a Boston psychologist who directs a national project to train police and prosecutors on assessing domestic violence dangers, said narcissistic personality disorder is common in men who commit filicide motivated by spousal revenge.

Those with the disorder can be grandiose in their thinking, have a limited capacity for empathy, see themselves as victims, and take many things as signs of disloyalty, said Adams, who also founded Emerge, a Boston counseling center for men who abuse their partners.

"When they suffer what's called a narcissistic injury -- when their ego is wounded, so to speak -- then they strike out with narcissistic rage, like they want to destroy the person who hurt them," Adams said.

"Some fathers want to leave the mothers feeling guilt and remorse for the rest of their lives," he said.

more: http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21142127/river-falls-murder-hearing-today

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

It would make sense to me with Elaine's recent move to CS that she is probably the one who took this back to court to get custody and child support changed.

I'm sure MR was enraged when she moved. I'm sure MR was enraged that she was living with another man who was also a father figure to his children. I'm sure it enraged MR that she did not have to pay him CS anymore and IF on top of all that HE had to start paying her CS? Well...he does strike me as being very bitter, very jealous and a controlling type of person. This would mean he lost ALL control. He lost Cory and Dylan and Mike has Elaine. I believe there was a text to Cory and it makes much more sense to me now. I never understood his text to Cory which said 'I can change it all!!!' I hope it means he is hiding Dylan somewhere. I really do.

As the story emerges more and more, I just feel sad.

 

[findDylan]

I do believe she had to initiate the court involvement in her move to CS. I don't see him bringing that one to court considering he's the one who didn't want Dylan to go further away, making his visits harder to have. JMO though.

IMO There is a possibility he got the court involved with her wanting to move. I moved about 300 miles from my ex and never had to go to court to do it. When I called the court house to see if I needed to get an ok from him or file anything to do it, I was told that as long as I was in the same state I didn't need to do anything. When I moved out of state I had to file a notarized letter from my ex saying it was ok to move out of state. (I lived in Colorado at the time)

 

[Eileen730]

IMO There is a possibility he got the court involved with her wanting to move. I moved about 300 miles from my ex and never had to go to court to do it. When I called the court house to see if I needed to get an ok from him or file anything to do it, I was told that as long as I was in the same state I didn't need to do anything. When I moved out of state I had to file a notarized letter from my ex saying it was ok to move out of state. (I lived in Colorado at the time)

Exactly I think its only a problem when moving out of the state!

 

[Chili Fries]

Victims: Samuel (7) & Lindsey (8) Porter

After 15 years of marriage, and twenty years employment with the same company, on June 4, 2004, Daniel Porter changed his families lives forever. Father murdered children during court-ordered visitation. He took them to McDonald's and then drove them to a remote location in Sugar Creek. He said he told the kids he had something to show them in the woods, and then he blindfolded them and shot them

http://www.findmissingkids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2143&sid=4f6234b19362d30b7bf9ab264538a02c

Yes, and Tina Porter also went on Dr Phil with Dan's best friend (this was before the bodies of Sam and Lindsey were found). It was agonizing watching Tina plead with Dan's friend, she was in tears begging the friend (who failed a Dr Phil facilitated polygraph) to tell her what Dan had done with the kids. I won't be surprised if we see Elaine doing something similar during her Dr Phil appearance.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I facilitated the Domestic Violence program for the State of NC (Dept of Corrections) during it's early inception. The psychology behind paternal filicide is strikingly similar to the psychology behind Domestic Violence; namely POWER AND CONTROL.

I believe it is very important to educate and inform our society as a whole, about this particular mind set, as much as we continue to educate and inform the public about the cycle of domestic violence.

JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have no more idea what happened to this young boy than the rest of you. I will say this though. There is a recent high profile disappearance/murder of a teen near where I live. I have followed the case closely, and watched many of the news updates. I would have bet a thousand bucks that one of the parents who was interviewed frequently was GUILTY. I was convinced. The parent seemed oddball, inconsistent, evasive, and so forth. There was much said and speculated about this parent. Fast forward two months...they found the murderer/kidnapper who now sits in jail delaying his plea. The parent had nothing to do with the disappearance. This was a real lesson for me. Things just aren't always what they seem. Good or bad.

 

[Seajay]

After following the Christopher Dorner case, I'm not even going to believe MSM anymore. During the seige and shoot out, I was hearing one thing on the scanner, and MSM was reporting something entirely different, things that were not true and did not happen. Which is causing a lot of drama now with all the Monday morning quarterbacking.

Even the interruptation of WHAT was said is being completely taken out of context and has been given a new spin. I won't take anything anyone says as gospel on MSM, because they are looking for the "scoop" as well as the sensationalism. IMO, JMO, MOO.