CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[Dee10]

One thing that still bothers me in the last uncut interview is MR doesn't mention anything at all about the drive home. We know Dylan was texting around 8:01 from the phone records & answering R.

He totally misunderstood where Melissa was going & jumps into I assume a later time, because they were at McDonald's at 7:22.


[FONT=&quot]Melissa Blasius:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So then, umm...so he’s texting back and forth with his friends, okay I’m not gonna’ come now…[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Mark Redwine:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, there’s not a lot of cell phone service between Durango and the lake up here, and it’s not until you come up past the dam that you actually can get your cell phone service as a Verizon customer. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But, I specifically remember him texting about that time, and he was texting on the couch after we were here and watching the movie he was over there texting or playing a video or something. I just assumed he was texting, ‘cos it’s not like he can’t ever get service up here, it’s just very sporadic.


ETA - I can't find a reasonable explanation since by MR's own words they didn't get home until 8:15 to 8:30.
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[Tennlyn]

When you work out of town you only have a small amount of time to take care of business on days off. Anytime there is a change of income with parents, paperwork has to be redone.

As far as MR's statements in response to the texts, which only one side was shown....., when I first read it, I thought of how through this whole ordeal with his son being missing, he had no one with him for comfort and support. CR, ER and her fiance, live together and have each other. He has no one. That's a pretty horrible and lonely feeling when your going through something like this. You have no one to talk to and no one to comfort you and give you advice on what to do. You can't think straight. Then to boot, add on all of the finger pointing that you did something awful to your own son. That would affect a persons ability to comprehend and think straight even more.

I wish people would take a few minutes to think about how it would feel to be in the shoes of a parent who is being treated this way. Take away the thought that he is guilty, simply because there are no facts stating he is, for just long enough to imagine being innocent and how you would feel. Just because a person may "think" that they would react a certain way in this position doesn't mean anything, because we are all different and unique and thankfully most haven't had to experience it.

MR has 3 adult sons, Cory and 2 others who seem to be successful, well-adjusted adults. All are estranged from their father. Seems that maybe they know something about him we don't, so nope...I don't feel too bad for MR. MOO!!!

One of the other sons did visit after Dylan went missing and met with Dad & Cory. Afterwards, he did an interview and said, “I’m trying to find out who my father is as I try to deal with the loss of a brother,” which sounds to me like he has doubts about Dad, too. MOO!
http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

 

[SCHMAE]

MR has 3 adult sons, Cory and 2 others who seem to be successful, well-adjusted adults. All are estranged from their father. Seems that maybe they know something about him we don't, so nope...I don't feel too bad for MR.

One of the other sons did visit after Dylan went missing and met with Dad & Cory. Afterwards, he did an interview and said, “I’m trying to find out who my father is as I try to deal with the loss of a brother,” which sounds to me like he has doubts about Dad, too.
http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

WOW, how did this get by me before ?
Sorry I meant to only BOLD, the ' loss of a brother'.
Did he leave that meeting fearing DR was passed ?

 

[SuperMom1995]

So yesterday was all about SODDI -Some Other Dude Did It. And I understand that was an exercise that not all felt they could participate in.

So assuming he is guilty of something, what did MR do?

1) Premeditated murder
2) Accidental death / coverup
3) Premeditated abduction
4) Opportunistic abduction

Any other possibilities where MR is involved?

I am going with 1, 2, or 3:

1) Premeditated murder:

*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off

OR
2) Accidental death and cover up:
Speculation -
They argued over custody or DR going to see friends or DR's mother or whatever, right around their time at Walmart. MR loses it and hits him and he falls the wrong way and does not wake up from bad concussion. I can't decide if they ever made it to his house.

Even though he did not intend to kill him he knows it is his punch that caused it so he proceeds to cover it up by staging things, such as the fishing pole, the bike, the back pack and everything he brought with him is gone (he disposes of it), he carries out his errands as planned, while texting to DRs phone. After his NAP, he makes some cursory texts and phone calls to DRs friends, then goes by their homes, then text to Elaine, then on to the Sheriffs or Marshals office. And as time goes on he changes or elaborates on his story.

3) Premeditated Abduction would have the same elements as the pre-med murder
*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off at same time
*Except Dylan dies in the process or he is still being kept somewhere as we speak.

JMO

 

[MissJ]

The issue, to me, that sounds ominous is the lack of cell phone contact (or use of landline) from Sunday night. We've discussed that the phone could have died or needed to be charged. But DR had access to a computer. I can't get past it. The last use of whatever at 9:37....I'm not sure it was Dylan. I don't mean to be negative I just don't think things add up. MR doesn't appear to be devastated the way ER is. He also says a lot of weird things like beaming a light at 6:30 wherever he is.....Did he take an unconscious DR with him at 6:30 AM and???? I don't know. Where did he come up with the 6:30 time frame?

 

[MissJ]

I am going with 1, 2, or 3:

1) Premeditated murder:

*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off

OR
2) Accidental death and cover up:
Speculation -
They argued over custody or DR going to see friends or DR's mother or whatever, right around their time at Walmart. MR loses it and hits him and he falls the wrong way and does not wake up from bad concussion. I can't decide if they ever made it to his house.

Even though he did not intend to kill him he knows it is his punch that caused it so he proceeds to cover it up by staging things, such as the fishing pole, the bike, the back pack and everything he brought with him is gone (he disposes of it), he carries out his errands as planned, while texting to DRs phone. After his NAP, he makes some cursory texts and phone calls to DRs friends, then goes by their homes, then text to Elaine, then on to the Sheriffs or Marshals office. And as time goes on he changes or elaborates on his story.

3) Premeditated Abduction would have the same elements as the pre-med murder
*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off at same time
*Except Dylan dies in the process or he is still being kept somewhere as we speak.

JMO

Very good theories. :twocents:

 

[SuperMom1995]

One thing that still bothers me in the last uncut interview is MR doesn't mention anything at all about the drive home. We know Dylan was texting around 8:01 from the phone records & answering R.

He totally misunderstood where Melissa was going & jumps into I assume a later time, because they were at McDonald's at 7:22.


[FONT=&quot]Melissa Blasius:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So then, umm...so he’s texting back and forth with his friends, okay I’m not gonna’ come now…[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Mark Redwine:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, there’s not a lot of cell phone service between Durango and the lake up here, and it’s not until you come up past the dam that you actually can get your cell phone service as a Verizon customer. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But, I specifically remember him texting about that time, and he was texting on the couch after we were here and watching the movie he was over there texting or playing a video or something. I just assumed he was texting, ‘cos it’s not like he can’t ever get service up here, it’s just very sporadic.


ETA - I can't find a reasonable explanation since by MR's own words they didn't get home until 8:15 to 8:30.

Actually, he eerily states that they WOULD HAVE gotten home around 8:30...

 

[SCHMAE]

I am going with 1, 2, or 3:

1) Premeditated murder:

*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off

OR
2) Accidental death and cover up:
Speculation -
They argued over custody or DR going to see friends or DR's mother or whatever, right around their time at Walmart. MR loses it and hits him and he falls the wrong way and does not wake up from bad concussion. I can't decide if they ever made it to his house.

Even though he did not intend to kill him he knows it is his punch that caused it so he proceeds to cover it up by staging things, such as the fishing pole, the bike, the back pack and everything he brought with him is gone (he disposes of it), he carries out his errands as planned, while texting to DRs phone. After his NAP, he makes some cursory texts and phone calls to DRs friends, then goes by their homes, then text to Elaine, then on to the Sheriffs or Marshals office. And as time goes on he changes or elaborates on his story.

3) Premeditated Abduction would have the same elements as the pre-med murder
*only enough food for a day or two;
*one way ticket purchased on day he found out he lost custody;
*no Thanksgiving day plans
*appointment set up with attorney day after or day he goes missing
*all communication cuts off at same time
*Except Dylan dies in the process or he is still being kept somewhere as we speak.

JMO

These items to me are speculative because we really do not KNOW what he told LE and what LE knows.
More speculation ahead, this is NOT FACT, only a hypothetical.

For all we know LE may have spoken to the reception at attys office who gave MR a great recipe for pecan pie, and thereception at his work may have given him a great recipe for candied yams, that MR asked for . He may have a receipt from the grocery store on MONDAY tthat shows he bougth all the ingredients for those 2 dishes and he may have bought more snack foods for the house and he may have bought a new x box for Dylan and Dylan's last text at 9:37 was to a friend saying " omg my dad rocks, he's getting me an xbox tomorrow early for chrstimas since I will not be at his house for it " . We don't know if any of that happened and it very well may not have but the little that LE gives now and then to the public makes me think there's tons of tiny details that we don't know. Three cans of yams and a bag of brown sugar bought on monday morning with a receipt and maybe cctv of him int he store buying it and a LOT of all of our theories about him woudl be put to rest.
So LE if you're reading along, quit dangling that carrot and give us the ROAST !

There are many typos ^^^^ and I cba to fix them . Sorry

 

[Eileen730]

forgive me if this has already been answered, but wouldnt it be on the Walmart recordings if he purchased that?

Definitely yes and that might be why we see no footage of MR.
And could also be why MR told le a fishing pole was missing!

JMO

 

[The Cheese]

The issue, to me, that sounds ominous is the lack of cell phone contact (or use of landline) from Sunday night. We've discussed that the phone could have died or needed to be charged. But DR had access to a computer. I can't get past it. The last use of whatever at 9:37....I'm not sure it was Dylan. I don't mean to be negative I just don't think things add up. MR doesn't appear to be devastated the way ER is. He also says a lot of weird things like beaming a light at 6:30 wherever he is.....Did he take an unconscious DR with him at 6:30 AM and???? I don't know. Where did he come up with the 6:30 time frame?

Here's the question Melissa was responding to when she tweeted about Mark shining the beam of light at 6:30. It was for the Beam of Lights birthday events when everybody was to turn on and shine a flashlight at 6:30pm. I personally don't think Mark had an unconscious Dylan with him at the time, but who knows.

Anne cook ‏@CooksofBayfield
@KyleClark @kevinltorres @melissablasius

Melissa you got to speak with Mark, are you surprised he did not attend any of his bday parties?

Melissa Blasius ‏@MelissaBlasius
@CooksofBayfield @KyleClark @kevinltorres

Mark told me wherever he was at 6:30, he would pull over his truck and beam a light for Dylan

 

[SuperMom1995]

One thing that still bothers me in the last uncut interview is MR doesn't mention anything at all about the drive home. We know Dylan was texting around 8:01 from the phone records & answering R.

He totally misunderstood where Melissa was going & jumps into I assume a later time, because they were at McDonald's at 7:22.


[FONT=&quot]Melissa Blasius:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So then, umm...so he’s texting back and forth with his friends, okay I’m not gonna’ come now…[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Mark Redwine:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well, there’s not a lot of cell phone service between Durango and the lake up here, and it’s not until you come up past the dam that you actually can get your cell phone service as a Verizon customer. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But, I specifically remember him texting about that time, and he was texting on the couch after we were here and watching the movie he was over there texting or playing a video or something. I just assumed he was texting, ‘cos it’s not like he can’t ever get service up here, it’s just very sporadic.


ETA - I can't find a reasonable explanation since by MR's own words they didn't get home until 8:15 to 8:30.
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and all the statements he made about the cell phone reception between here and there and the dam and the lake, IMO was alibi building.

 

[SuperMom1995]

These items to me are speculative because we really do not KNOW what he told LE and what LE knows.
More speculation ahead, this is NOT FACT, only a hypothetical.

For all we know LE may have spoken to the reception at attys office who gave MR a great recipe for pecan pie, and thereception at his work may have given him a great recipe for candied yams, that MR asked for . He may have a receipt from the grocery store on MONDAY tthat shows he bougth all the ingredients for those 2 dishes and he may have bought more snack foods for the house and he may have bought a new x box for Dylan and Dylan's last text at 9:37 was to a friend saying " omg my dad rocks, he's getting me an xbox tomorrow early for chrstimas since I will not be at his house for it " . We don't know if any of that happened and it very well may not have but the little that LE gives now and then to the public makes me think there's tons of tiny details that we don't know. Three cans of yams and a bag of brown sugar bought on monday morning with a receipt and maybe cctv of him int he store buying it and a LOT of all of our theories about him woudl be put to rest.
So LE if you're reading along, quit dangling that carrot and give us the ROAST !

There are many typos ^^^^ and I cba to fix them . Sorry

The actual communication times to and from Dylan have been documented many places, Cory told the public that the ticket was one way but I dont recall where that way. Mark states or makes reference to all of the other things I said in his uncut interview, so really I am not speculating:

KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w

 

[Dee10]

and all the statements he made about the cell phone reception between here and there and the dam and the lake, IMO was alibi building.

I think that was a key time and I am not sure Dylan made it to the house. He wants everyone to believe Dylan was at the house when those 8 ish texts were made, but it doesn't fit logistically from McDonalds, although they may have almost been there.

 

[The Cheese]

It's clear to me that there are only 2 scenarios, and that both those scenarios involve Dylan having been in the house. Just MO though.

"He either left the house and someone abducted him
or
something happened while he was still at the house.

I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

 

[MrsPC]

I was wondering last night....do you think maybe MR is stalling on the Dr. Phil interview until he sees if the K-9 search yields something?

 

[tamild]

It's clear to me that there are only 2 scenarios, and that both those scenarios involve Dylan having been in the house. Just MO though.

"He either left the house and someone abducted him
or
something happened while he was still at the house.

I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

I'm thinking/guessing/hoping that LE has established that Dylan actually did make it to the house. It should be fairly easy to determine, IMO. MR told us about the DVDs which were purchased that night. If Dylan's prints are on the disk or the cover under the cellophane wrapping, along with prints on the DVD player itself, that, in my mind, would pretty much establish that he was there. I'm sure LE has thought of this, too.

 

[Dee10]

It's clear to me that there are only 2 scenarios, and that both those scenarios involve Dylan having been in the house. Just MO though.

"He either left the house and someone abducted him
or
something happened while he was still at the house.

I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Good point, so in that case it when he was texting with R it may have been while he was still in the truck but possibly not in the house? There is no way these particular text were done while the movie was playing. They had to get into the house with whatever they bought, get the player, set it up, put the movie in etc.

 

[SCHMAE]

The actual communication times to and from Dylan have been documented many places, Cory told the public that the ticket was one way but I dont recall where that way. Mark states or makes reference to all of the other things I said in his uncut interview, so really I am not speculating:

KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEwCBPy90w

I'm sorry , I meant my little rambling was a HYPOTHETICAL, not the ticket times ! Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm thinking/guessing/hoping that LE has established that Dylan actually did make it to the house. It should be fairly easy to determine, IMO. MR told us about the DVDs which were purchased that night. If Dylan's prints are on the disk or the cover under the cellophane wrapping, along with prints on the DVD player itself, that, in my mind, would pretty much establish that he was there. I'm sure LE has thought of this, too.

What if Dylan did handle these things but the prints were smudged and LE is unable to determine whether he touched them or not?

 

[SCHMAE]

It's clear to me that there are only 2 scenarios, and that both those scenarios involve Dylan having been in the house. Just MO though.

"He either left the house and someone abducted him
or
something happened while he was still at the house.

I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Thanks for the reminder of these words by the Bender ! So I'm wondering about this portion "" or
something happened while he was still at the house'''.
Does that language eliminate that an abductor took him from INSIDE the house? Or am I reading too much into it ? It seems to read he either left on his own or ' _________________' happened inside the house. All we can really know from the statement is LE believes he was inside the house that night for whatever reason, they must KNOW it to be true.