CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[tamild]

Good point, so in that case it when he was texting with R it may have been while he was still in the truck but possibly not in the house? There is no way these particular text were done while the movie was playing. They had to get into the house with whatever they bought, get the player, set it up, put the movie in etc.

I hear what you're saying, and I agree that the texts may well have been before arriving at the house. I just don't believe that it makes MR a liar. MR said that Dylan was on the couch texting during the movie or playing a game or a video or something. He goes on to say that he assumes he was texting. We know that Dylan had an iPod. An iPod looks exactly like a smartphone. The cell that Dylan had was only a flip phone-not capable of video. I believe that MR really didn't know what Dylan was doing except that he was sitting on the couch messing with an electronic gadget. This is something else that can be establish through forensics. Also, if he were playing a game, he wouldn't necessarily need wifi for that.

 

[ColdHands]

It's clear to me that there are only 2 scenarios, and that both those scenarios involve Dylan having been in the house. Just MO though.

"He either left the house and someone abducted him
or
something happened while he was still at the house.

I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Great reminder! thank you for posting this!

I was wondering last night....do you think maybe MR is stalling on the Dr. Phil interview until he sees if the K-9 search yields something?

Or maybe hoping his PI will come up with something else? We have not heard anything out of MO this week, have we?

Thanks for the reminder of these words by the Bender ! So I'm wondering about this portion "" or
something happened while he was still at the'''.
Does that language eliminate that an abductor took him from INSIDE the house? Or am I reading too much into it ? It seems to read he either left on his own or ' _________________' happened inside the house. Why not say or he was abducted from in the house ? All we can really know from the statement is LE believes he was inside the house that night for whatever reason, they must KNOW it to be true.

IMO it still leaves the possibility that he was abducted from inside the house. IMO, Bender is differentiating between something happening at MR's house vs something happening while Dylan was out and about in the Vallecito area.

 

[tamild]

What if Dylan did handle these things but the prints were smudged and LE is unable to determine whether he touched them or not?

I'm thinking they should be able to at least get a partial? That plastic they use for the case and the DVD itself should be ideal for lifting prints. Maybe not, though.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I was wondering last night....do you think maybe MR is stalling on the Dr. Phil interview until he sees if the K-9 search yields something?

and maybe he is planning a get away....:twocents:

 

[Confusion]

Thanks for the reminder of these words by the Bender ! So I'm wondering about this portion "" or
something happened while he was still at the'''.
Does that language eliminate that an abductor took him from INSIDE the house? Or am I reading too much into it ? It seems to read he either left on his own or ' _________________' happened inside the house. Why not say or he was abducted from in the house ? All we can really know from the statement is LE believes he was inside the house that night for whatever reason, they must KNOW it to be true.

I see "he left the house" as meaning:
1. He decided to hitchhike
2. He was sitting outside waiting for MR to get home
3. Someone came to the door and he left with them willingly
4. He left with MR that morning
5. He went to the river to fish
6. He left to walk somewhere (friend's house, reservoir, market, etc.)
7. Someone came to the door and persuaded him to go outside for some reason.

Something happened while he was still in the house seems like it could mean fewer things:
1. He was dead when he was removed from the house.
2. He was severely sick or injured when he was removed.
3. He was unconscious (similar to #2) when he was removed.

I tend to think he left the house willingly, but I go back and forth between which version it was. MOO

 

[Dee10]

I hear what you're saying, and I agree that the texts may well have been before arriving at the house. I just don't believe that it makes MR a liar. MR said that Dylan was on the couch texting during the movie or playing a game or a video or something. He goes on to say that he assumes he was texting. We know that Dylan had an iPod. An iPod looks exactly like a smartphone. The cell that Dylan had was only a flip phone-not capable of video. I believe that MR really didn't know what Dylan was doing except that he was sitting on the couch messing with an electronic gadget. This is something else that can be establish through forensics. Also, if he were playing a game, he wouldn't necessarily need wifi for that.

I didn't say he was lying, I was though looking for a reasonable explanation why he essentially cut Melissa's question off & didn't talk about the 8ish texts[FONT=&quot] as he answer to that was not possible.
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[SCHMAE]

and maybe he is planning a get away....:twocents:

OH Crikey! IF MR fled at this point in time, I don't even know what
I would think.

 

[ColdHands]

I see "he left the house" as meaning:
1. He decided to hitchhike
2. He was sitting outside waiting for MR to get home
3. Someone came to the door and he left with them willingly
4. He left with MR that morning
5. He went to the river to fish
6. He left to walk somewhere (friend's house, reservoir, market, etc.)
7. Someone came to the door and persuaded him to go outside for some reason.

Something happened while he was still in the house seems like it could mean fewer things:
1. He was dead when he was removed from the house.
2. He was severely sick or injured when he was removed.
3. He was unconscious (similar to #2) when he was removed.

I tend to think he left the house willingly, but I go back and forth between which version it was. MOO

Great analysis. Gives me more to think about.

ETA: ok initial thought - any of the "Left the house" theories have to deal with phone, backpack and fishing pole, based on what we know. Inside the house, I think it's more likely that those items were staged/dealt with by whoever took/harmed Dylan.

 

[nikb]

A few people were asking about bike on side of house in last thread. Looks like a shed/door is open in picture from news timeline. Is it not possible that LE moved it out to check in there? I did some investigating and the bike is an 18" wheel Next bike (See links below). This would be very small for a 13 year old and not likely to be used.

https://www.biddergy.com/detail.asp?id=144208
http://next-bike.com/model_view.php?ID=7

Great research and find, thanks!!

 

[SCHMAE]

Ok how big a person might you have to be to pick up a child Dylan's size if he were fighting you ? Like an abductor I'm saying. Little small kids snatched up and people run off with them, but if Dylan were conscious and unwilling to go , that would be quite a chore right? I'm talking about inside the house something like that would surely leave a trace of something forensic, right? Like a pile of hair or something , some sign of a struggle. A mile down the road, maybe not so much evidence because wind and dirt and what not could blow it away or disguise it somehow. So if someone took him from inside the house I would say it almost certainly had to be someone he knew OR someone he thought he know of, like a friend of MRs' or someone he felt comfortable with .

 

[tamild]

I didn't say he was lying, I was though looking for a reasonable explanation why he essentially cut Melissa's question off & didn't talk about the 8ish texts[FONT=&quot] as he answer to that was not possible.
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I'm sorry, I'm misunderstanding you. I don't see he where he said it wasn't possible. He explained about service not being too available until you get past the dam, and then said, "But, I specifically remember him texting about that time, and he was texting on the couch after we were here..." I took that to mean that he remembers Dylan texting on the way to the house, then again after they got to the house.

 

[*Lash*]

In my opinion, MR may have purchased the one way ticket for many reasons. Not flattering reasons, but not necessarily nefarious.

•MR did not want to take the time drive to Durango to pick up Dylan. He would rather spend the money to fly him.
•If MR does spend some time driving as part of his job, he may not want to spend his off time driving.
•MR did not feel it was his responsibility to pay the cost for Dylan to return home via a round trip plane ticket. In my opinion, MR felt this was Elaine's responsibility. Selfishly, he wasn't going to make it easy for ER.

 

[nikb]

I still think MR bought a fishing pole that night in Walmart.

I'm just curious, what leads you to think this? I understand it might be based on FB comments or rumors or something so I know you might not be able to say very much.

 

[Confusion]

In my opinion, MR may have purchased the one way ticket for many reasons. Not flattering reasons, but not necessarily nefarious.

•MR did not want to take the time drive to Durango to pick up Dylan. He would rather spend the money to fly him.
•If MR does spend some time driving as part of his job, he may not want to spend his off time driving.
•MR did not feel it was his responsibility to pay the cost for Dylan to return home via a round trip plane ticket. In my opinion, MR felt this was Elaine's responsibility. Selfishly, he wasn't going to make it easy for ER.

I also thought it could have been so Dylan would be there as early as possible, but that he wanted to drive him home so they'd have the extra time together. MOO

 

[ColdHands]

Ok how big a person might you have to be to pick up a child Dylan's size if he were fighting you ? Like an abductor I'm saying. Little small kids snatched up and people run off with them, but if Dylan were conscious and unwilling to go , that would be quite a chore right? I'm talking about inside the house something like that would surely leave a trace of something forensic, right? Like a pile of hair or something , some sign of a struggle. A mile down the road, maybe not so much evidence because wind and dirt and what not could blow it away or disguise it somehow. So if someone took him from inside the house I would say it almost certainly had to be someone he knew OR someone he thought he know of, like a friend of MRs' or someone he felt comfortable with .

I was thinking about this earlier and got annoyed that the more thorough search didn't happen for 10 days. So much evidence (ie scratches and bruises on MR or traces of a struggle inside the house) could have disappeared. MR probably runs a vacuum once in a while, wipes counters etc. I'm assuming that MR did not have any fresh scratches on his face when he contacted LE.

And for the record, I still struggle with the idea of a father harming his son but I cannot discard it. Not because of evidence in MSM or anything MR has said or done, but because the people that know him think it is possible.

 

[SCHMAE]

OT , if the asteroid does NOT hit MR , can we all agree he's innocent ?

 

[Eileen730]

OT , if the asteroid does NOT hit MR , can we all agree he's innocent ?

It landed in Russia didnt it!

 

[SCHMAE]

It landed in Russia didnt it!

A meteor hit Russia this morning but a giant Asteroid is zooming real
close to earth as we speak
OT OT OT !

 

[Allusonz]

I'll play. I'm going to go with option 3 or 4. I just don't see him having killed him purposefully or accidentally. I am not discounting the fact that he has a checkered past or that parents can and do murder their own children. Let's just call this my gut instinct. I think with any abduction scenario wether it be MR or another family member or friend it is possible to keep a teen in a remote area for a long time. One of my cousins lived within a commune in the mountains for years without much outside contact. While there he and his girlfriend raised their son. I do not think their son has ever been to a public school and I'd be shocked if he's even ever been to a conventional doctor. Now they trek to an island in Mexico by boat for periods of time and live off of the land and sea. Colorado is home to many communities like these. There is a whole other element of habitation that people have not considered as far as stowing Dylan away. I've looked at the terrain and documented populated areas etc and honestly Dylan could be anywhere. All it would have taken would be to know someone from the community and set it up for their child to live there. Most of those in these communities live off of the land and do not use the internet or television etc unless they travel to a city for supplies. Then they might go to the public library and contact people outside of their circle by email or FB etc. I think the search for Dylan has been way too concentrated to the immediate area of his disappearance. It is clear there is not much physical evidence, which leads me to believe Dylan left in a vehicle. Maybe this whole thing has been a case of "if I can't have custody, then I'll make sure she doesn't either" without actually physically harming Dylan. JMO, trying to think outside of the norm.


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Sometimes a case comes along that screams to look outside the box, rarely will many do this, as more often than not some tend to just rinse and repeat what they did in the previous cases, without thought to the harm it may cause. I guess if one plays the stats often enough, they are bound to get it right sooner or later.

Many have chosen to accept every word that ER has stated as an absolute I have chosen not to, and instead have focused on what his friends have stated as well as LE.

I think the scenario that you have presented is a viable possibility here, especially once I researched active groups within the area. Like you have stated with respect to your cousin, they don't have access to the outside world and in fact usually it is severed completely to include family.

The fact that the maternal side did not jump on a potential break in the case solidified my thought process. I cannot understand why someone would be adamantly dismissive of Dylan being a runaway, dismissive of sightings which I believe LE has not completely ruled out in the case of the postal worker, as LE used ambiguous wording with respect to the early sightings. I am completely dumbfounded why someone would go to such great lengths to dismiss a potential witness, to the point of refusing to acknowledge it on the official Facebook page and going to extremes that I have seen in social media .

The silence from the maternal side with respect to that lead was deafening. More so than any words and/or actions of MR.

This is a scenario that does not require leaps and bounds with respect to cell phone usage, and in fact the area would be conducive to the spotty cell phone reception. Getting from point A to point B would be easily explained right up to and including a missing fishing pole. Dylan would be a perfect target of these groups.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm thinking/guessing/hoping that LE has established that Dylan actually did make it to the house. It should be fairly easy to determine, IMO. MR told us about the DVDs which were purchased that night. If Dylan's prints are on the disk or the cover under the cellophane wrapping, along with prints on the DVD player itself, that, in my mind, would pretty much establish that he was there. I'm sure LE has thought of this, too.

He could have opend that movie DVD while in the truck not in the house.
His prints on the DVD player could be on it from a previous time.\

JMO