CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

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  • #181
Obviously i can only go by my son .... his answer would be "well they know I'm not there, so no point telling them that".

And if they had of sent him a text him to ask where he was, he'd ignore it as he wouldn't want to explain that he couldn't be bothered to get up. He'd meet up later when they'd have forgotten about being let down!

I find it hard to believe that Dylan wouldn't respond to his friend. Especially considering Dylan was the one asking if he could get there that early.
From their evening communication, both seem to be concerned that Dylan could arrive and not upset grandma. Now all of the sudden he wouldn't respond, and not even ask where he should go? Considering his friend moved around a lot.
 
  • #182
So we have to assume Dylan's phone was inoperable to explain away his lack of communication on Monday? Also we have to assume that he did not have the skills to obtain a phone number via information? Or that he would not know a single phone number to call? Seems like a lot of assumptions to me, with nothing to back any of them up.
 
  • #183
I missed this somehow:


http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...ine/-/9153728/18459278/-/nr78w5z/-/index.html

Dated February 8. I knew that MR had met with them but I guess I was so distracted by the rest of the article I missed that he actually went to them for the first meeting. That's a 4 hour drive each way.

I believe that MR was already in New Mexico somewhere when this meeting came about. He had left the Bayfield area for work, which seems to be in New Mexico.

MOO
 
  • #184
So we have to assume Dylan's phone was inoperable to explain away his lack of communication on Monday? Also we have to assume that he did not have the skills to obtain a phone number via information? Or that he would not know a single phone number to call? Seems like a lot of assumptions to me, with nothing to back any of them up.

And, if all of the above IS true, even more reason to stay put for the ride that is coming for you.
 
  • #185
I find it hard to believe that Dylan wouldn't respond to his friend. Especially considering Dylan was the one asking if he could get there that early.
From their evening communication, both seem to be concerned that Dylan could arrive and not upset grandma. Now all of the sudden he wouldn't respond, and not even ask where he should go? Considering his friend moved around a lot.

We won't know for sure until Dylan is found, but I completely agree that Dylan would have responded - he was anxious to see his friends.

Expecting Dylan, Ryan set his alarm and woke up at 6:30 a.m. At 6:46, he sent a text to his friend, asking where he was.

But Dylan never responded.

Nava said he would have expected Dylan to text him Monday morning if he overslept or at least to say when he was headed down to Bayfield.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687
 
  • #186
When you work out of town you only have a small amount of time to take care of business on days off. Anytime there is a change of income with parents, paperwork has to be redone.

As far as MR's statements in response to the texts, which only one side was shown....., when I first read it, I thought of how through this whole ordeal with his son being missing, he had no one with him for comfort and support. CR, ER and her fiance, live together and have each other. He has no one. That's a pretty horrible and lonely feeling when your going through something like this. You have no one to talk to and no one to comfort you and give you advice on what to do. You can't think straight. Then to boot, add on all of the finger pointing that you did something awful to your own son. That would affect a persons ability to comprehend and think straight even more.

I wish people would take a few minutes to think about how it would feel to be in the shoes of a parent who is being treated this way. Take away the thought that he is guilty, simply because there are no facts stating he is, for just long enough to imagine being innocent and how you would feel. Just because a person may "think" that they would react a certain way in this position doesn't mean anything, because we are all different and unique and thankfully most haven't had to experience it.


Excellent point. It seems he doesn't have anyone -- none of his siblings have really put themselves out there (IMO), none of his other children, no old friends, no neighbors, not even speaking off the record. How odd. JMO.
 
  • #187
I find it hard to believe that Dylan wouldn't respond to his friend. Especially considering Dylan was the one asking if he could get there that early.
From their evening communication, both seem to be concerned that Dylan could arrive and not upset grandma. Now all of the sudden he wouldn't respond, and not even ask where he should go? Considering his friend moved around a lot.

But those plans were made when Dylan was wide awake and excited. Different story at 5.30am, when he's probably still tired, and comfy in bed.

If MR went to bed at 10.30pm and Dylan was still on his phone/ipod, then how much sleep did he actually get? He could have stayed up watching tv for another hour or two. When MR woke him up, Dylan could have only had about 5 hours sleep - we just don't know.

And we don't know if his phone was even charged up the next morning. It the battery was dead, Dylan wouldn't have even seen the texts from R.
 
  • #188
But those plans were made when Dylan was wide awake and excited. Different story at 5.30am, when he's probably still tired, and comfy in bed.

If MR went to bed at 10.30pm and Dylan was still on his phone/ipod, then how much sleep did he actually get? He could have stayed up watching tv for another hour or two. When MR woke him up, Dylan could have only had about 5 hours sleep - we just don't know.

Presumably he woke up eventually. Upon which he presumably would have contacted his friend again. Unless we are going to speculate somebody got into MR's house, kidnapping Dylan while Dylan was sleeping, and took all Dylan's things (and a fishing pole) without disturbing anything in the house.
 
  • #189
Presumably he woke up eventually. Upon which he presumably would have contacted his friend again. Unless we are going to speculate somebody got into MR's house, kidnapping Dylan while Dylan was sleeping, and took all Dylan's things (and a fishing pole) without disturbing anything in the house.

He may have felt bad at not getting there at 6.30am, especially as his friend had got up to wait for him..... and maybe decided to ignore the text and just plan to get there as soon as he could.

Must admit, I've done that before - ignored a text asking why I hadn't turned up somewhere. Only because I've not known what to say at the time, and had given myself time to come up with a good excuse, rather than admit I'd overslept, forgotten or just couldn't get up!

Not saying this did happen, just throwing about ideas as to what might have happened to fit in with the very sketchy facts we have.
 
  • #190
He may have felt bad at not getting there at 6.30am, especially as his friend had got up to wait for him..... and maybe decided to ignore the text and just plan to get there as soon as he could.

Must admit, I've done that before - ignored a text asking why I hadn't turned up somewhere. Only because I've not known what to say at the time, and had given myself time to come up with a good excuse, rather than admit I'd overslept, forgotten or just couldn't get up!

Not saying this did happen, just throwing about ideas as to what might have happened to fit in with the very sketchy facts we have.

Where would he go? Just in a short time span, his friend moved from pagosa to grandma's and then to nando's. I don't know the distances between these places, but seems rather strange that Dylan would go somewhere not even knowing where his friend was.
 
  • #191
Where would he go? Just in a short time span, his friend moved from pagosa to grandma's and then to nando's. I don't know the distances between these places, but seems rather strange that Dylan would go somewhere not even knowing where his friend was.

But if Dylan's phone hadn't charged, then did he know about all the moving around? He may have just assumed R was still at his grandma's and attempted to get there....... and something happened on the way.

Or maybe he was just pottering about outside, waiting for MR to return, and someone turned up?

Or he decided to kill a bit of time by taking out his fishing pole for something to do, and then something happened.

Maybe it does all sound bit far fetched, but for so long as LE haven't arrested MR, then I'm assuming he didn't do anything - and trying to think what else could have happened.
 
  • #192
So we have to assume Dylan's phone was inoperable to explain away his lack of communication on Monday? Also we have to assume that he did not have the skills to obtain a phone number via information? Or that he would not know a single phone number to call? Seems like a lot of assumptions to me, with nothing to back any of them up.
I think that it would be safe to assume that either Dylan's phone was inoperable or he was unable to use it on Monday morning.

As for his skills to obtain a number via information I have no idea. I never used it because I would use a phone book. Do most parents teach their kids to call information to get phone numbers? Can you get cell phone numbers using information? I don't think that you can.

So a 13 yr old kid would have to track down his friends parents/grandparents possible landline number before attempting to call. What if he didn't know their last name? What if they don't have a landline?

Maybe Dylan had memorized his moms number. Why would he call her? She wouldn't be able to give him a ride to his friends.

MOO.
 
  • #193
As frustrating as it is now to have all of these unanswered questions, how much worse will it be in a year or two, if nothing has come to light and Dylan still not found...even if he is eventually found, many of these questions are likely never to be resolved.
 
  • #194
I find it hard to believe that Dylan wouldn't respond to his friend. Especially considering Dylan was the one asking if he could get there that early.
From their evening communication, both seem to be concerned that Dylan could arrive and not upset grandma. Now all of the sudden he wouldn't respond, and not even ask where he should go? Considering his friend moved around a lot.

IMO, the question about grandma minding sounds like it came from MR. As in, "you want me to drop you off that early? What does his grandma think?"
 
  • #195
I think that it would be safe to assume that either Dylan's phone was inoperable or he was unable to use it on Monday morning.

As for his skills to obtain a number via information I have no idea. I never used it because I would use a phone book. Do most parents teach their kids to call information to get phone numbers? Can you get cell phone numbers using information? I don't think that you can.

So a 13 yr old kid would have to track down his friends parents/grandparents possible landline number before attempting to call. What if he didn't know there last name? What if they don't have a landline?

Maybe Dylan had memorized his moms number. Why would he call her? She wouldn't be able to give him a ride to his friends.

MOO.

I think he would have called his mom to ask her if she had R's number. Most mothers have the numbers of their kids' closest friends, or that of the friend's parents. JMO

I just do not believe he would set out to go twenty or so miles, without making contact with anyone. Maybe his father was ahead of schedule and would be home sooner. Maybe the kids had gone to a movie. I think he would have sat right there, in a warm house, with TV and cereal, and waited.
 
  • #196
I think that it would be safe to assume that either Dylan's phone was inoperable or he was unable to use it on Monday morning.

As for his skills to obtain a number via information I have no idea. I never used it because I would use a phone book. Do most parents teach their kids to call information to get phone numbers? Can you get cell phone numbers using information? I don't think that you can.

So a 13 yr old kid would have to track down his friends parents/grandparents possible landline number before attempting to call. What if he didn't know there last name? What if they don't have a landline?

Maybe Dylan had memorized his moms number. Why would he call her? She wouldn't be able to give him a ride to his friends.

MOO.

What do you mean by his phone being "inoperable"? Do you think his phone was broken? What other reasons would he be "unable to use it?"
 
  • #197
Dylan was the one who set the 6:30 time as he had a ride. MR claims he left at 7:30 & Dylan was aware. Dylan took time to turn on the TV, eat cereal & knew Dad was coming at 11 at that point. He did not call anyone or answer R or MR's texts . These are the facts as we have been told by MR.

This picture as whole does not make sense that he did not wait for an 11:00 ride PERIOD, especially if he slept in, didn't call anyone & nobody saw him walking, etc.
 
  • #198
I believe that he use's his hard wired desktop while at home and his laptop only when on the road. No need for Wi-Fi. MOO.

What makes you believe that?
 
  • #199
But if Dylan's phone hadn't charged, then did he know about all the moving around? He may have just assumed R was still at his grandma's and attempted to get there....... and something happened on the way.

Or maybe he was just pottering about outside, waiting for MR to return, and someone turned up?

Or he decided to kill a bit of time by taking out his fishing pole for something to do, and then something happened.

Maybe it does all sound bit far fetched, but for so long as LE haven't arrested MR, then I'm assuming he didn't do anything - and trying to think what else could have happened.

Usually police in the USA are reluctant to arrest until they know exactly what they are arresting for, and in the case of homicide they usually prefer to wait until the body is recovered.
 
  • #200
Sometimes a case comes along that screams to look outside the box, rarely will many do this, as more often than not some tend to just rinse and repeat what they did in the previous cases, without thought to the harm it may cause. I guess if one plays the stats often enough, they are bound to get it right sooner or later.

Many have chosen to accept every word that ER has stated as an absolute I have chosen not to, and instead have focused on what his friends have stated as well as LE.

I think the scenario that you have presented is a viable possibility here, especially once I researched active groups within the area. Like you have stated with respect to your cousin, they don't have access to the outside world and in fact usually it is severed completely to include family.

The fact that the maternal side did not jump on a potential break in the case solidified my thought process. I cannot understand why someone would be adamantly dismissive of Dylan being a runaway, dismissive of sightings which I believe LE has not completely ruled out in the case of the postal worker, as LE used ambiguous wording with respect to the early sightings. I am completely dumbfounded why someone would go to such great lengths to dismiss a potential witness, to the point of refusing to acknowledge it on the official Facebook page and going to extremes that I have seen in social media .

The silence from the maternal side with respect to that lead was deafening. More so than any words and/or actions of MR.


This is a scenario that does not require leaps and bounds with respect to cell phone usage, and in fact the area would be conducive to the spotty cell phone reception. Getting from point A to point B would be easily explained right up to and including a missing fishing pole. Dylan would be a perfect target of these groups.

Underlined by me. I believe the maternal side of the family has their reasons to doubt this is the tip that could break the case. LE says the tip came in over the weekend. Prior to that weekend, this tip was being discussed on social media. All MOO.
 
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