CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[azgrandma]

SO I'm thinking basements ! Who lives in an area where every home has a basement and can tell us about their sturdiness, soundproofing qualities, depths, about how easy it is to make a hidden basement? or an escape hatch in the basement ? Idk, do I watch too many movies? Maybe. But anywhere in CO, I feel a basement is quiet and I don't know can you hear upstairs if someone is in a basement yelling? I don't know that I've ever been inside one, so sorry if the questions are stupid. tks

No such thing as stupid questions
I think it depends on the type of basement. Some houses in CO have two levels, which some may consider a basement and an upstairs. But the basement is actually partially under the ground level. I had a home that had four levels, the main floor was ground level, then you went downstairs and it wsa partially below ground level, you went downstairs again and it was completely belowe ground. In that house (all of them are built different) you couldn't hear anyone from the top level, but you could the closer you got. So basically it was no different in sound overall (yes there was some difference but not a lot). This was mainly because the staircases were all open and there were doors that I would use to shut off the sound but it wasn't completely sound proof.

 

[Eileen730]

If it turns out MR did this and Dylan is deceased I do believe it was the result of a heated argument. All it takes is a push or a shove or a hit on the head to result in a tragedy!
But If this is what happend its now not an accident but a crime!

And Thinking on another scenario if Dylan is alive and hidden Maybe Marks plan didnt go as planned and now he dosent know how to get out of it. He would have to disappear to go join his son because he cant make him magically appear.

I do believe whatever happened to Dylan happend around 8 ish sunday evening!

 

[Eileen730]

I should've moved to TX :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Reminds me of a song! "All my EX's Live in Texas".
Now we know why!

 

[jjenny]

So Dad texted Dylan from the house ... 11:30 or 2:30 (after his nap)? That would mean that cell phone service was available in the house ... and most likely cable and internet as well. It's possible that Dylan's cell phone was dead, but not likely that he was cut off from everyone. If he didn't connect with anyone ... did he have access to a computer in the house? Did his dad have a password protected system that Dylan couldn't access? That might be a reason to hitch hike ... teenagers cut off from social media would probably have some sort of withdrawal.

No. MR claims in the latest interview he was texting Dylan in the morning, as he was running his errands. So that would be between 7:30 am and 11:30 am.

 

[ColdHands]

I should've moved to TX :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Thinking exactly the same thing!

 

[Eileen730]

With all due respect, this doesn't answer the poster's questions. Your last paragraph makes it even harder to rationalize to me. If it's beyond your scope of understanding or acceptance, then how on earth did you come to this conclusion, that this man is capable of murdering his own son? What did he DO that caused these feelings? There has to be something, IMO, otherwise it is just feelings and doubts... not certainty.

Did he ever cause serious harm to one of you? Did he ever threaten to hurt or kill one of the boys, either verbally or physically? Did he pick up a baseball bat or a club or a gun, and come toward any of you in a threatening manner? (That right there, in Texas, is enough to land someone in jail, btw.)

Please understand, I mean no disrespect, I am only asking what happened to make you think he's capable of murder. Your post only covers your feelings, it says nothing about what HE has done that caused them. That's all we're asking. WHY would he want Dylan dead?

IMO, it takes a special kind of evil for a parent to kill their own child. So far I have not seen any evil in this man. You know him better than we do, so I'm not asking HOW you feel, but WHY you feel that way.

Again, I apologize if this is too personal. If you can't answer, then just ignore, I'll understand.

We dont know what hes like all we see is what he wants us to see on TV.

I dont think the guys a murderer but I do think he can react badly in certain situations. I see a manipulator. Hes called all the shots so far with the Dr. PHil show hasnt he? Will he go Yes he will when 3 weeks. no Feb 28 .no Feb 20th hes always in controll....JMO

All JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have a highly improbable, wild card question. In the unlikely event that Dylan took off and is staying away on his own accord, where would he be hiding and with whom?

Yes, I know, slim to no chance, but merits a thought.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Just wanted to wish Wendy/K9 Forensics safe travels and safe searching. I believe she will be arriving in Durango today.

 

[cluciano63]

I have a highly improbable, wild card question. In the unlikely event that Dylan took off and is staying away on his own accord, where would he be hiding and with whom?

Yes, I know, slim to no chance, but merits a thought.

It is hard to imagine who would put themselves in such a position, and also be someone that LE cannot track. They have had his phone records, computer, etc. for a few months. That is how teens get in touch with people. LE originally thought he was a runaway, possibly for longer than they now admit, so it seems they would have exhausted the possibilities of who Dylan knew. I do not think an average 13-year old has a wide circle of people who would have the ability to hide him, care for him, maintain him, etc. for months on end, all while committing a crime to do so.

 

[SCHMAE]

We dont know what hes like all we see is what he wants us to see on TV.

I dont think the guys a murderer but I do think he can react badly in certain situations. I see a manipulator. Hes called all the shots so far with the Dr. PHil show hasnt he? Will he go Yes he will when 3 weeks. no Feb 28 .no Feb 20th hes always in controll....JMO

All JMO

In all fairness we have no idea what the dr phil schedule is related to. Its speculated a LOT that it's MR's squirreliness in trying to get out of it, but we
have no idea. Could be that it took awhile to reach all fo the guests and get them
confirmed and them be able to m ake travel arrangements at the same time, etc.
Im not saying its NOT MRs fault, but I do not think we can assume that it is MR fault.

 

[catswhiskers]

We dont know what hes like all we see is what he wants us to see on TV.

I dont think the guys a murderer but I do think he can react badly in certain situations. I see a manipulator. Hes called all the shots so far with the Dr. PHil show hasnt he? Will he go Yes he will when 3 weeks. no Feb 28 .no Feb 20th hes always in controll....JMO

All JMO

I don't see that he is calling the shots at all - especially if all the info and discussion on fb about his availability is all we have to go on. I do think I recall DH commenting in a MSM article about waiting for news about MR's participation. To be honest, I previously saw her as a neutral source of info, but that has changed since outing herself as a particularly venomous poster on one of the unofficial fb pages. Now I am only going to go with info directly from both parents and LE.
:moo:

 

[catswhiskers]

In all fairness we have no idea what the dr phil schedule is related to. Its speculated a LOT that it's MR's squirreliness in trying to get out of it, but we
have no idea. Could be that it took awhile to reach all fo the guests and get them
confirmed and them be able to m ake travel arrangements at the same time, etc.
Im not saying its NOT MRs fault, but I do not think we can assume that it is MR fault.

Thank you for your open mindedness about a lot of info (or lack of) here

 

[TxLady2]

I totally agree with you. Evidence how quickly everyone jumped on the posts to Otto. So wanted to sway their opinion on someone who only asked a few questions. We have become a forum of opinion and not of facts. And I agree Dylan has been lost in the battle between MR did it. Just because I don't believe MR harmed his son does not mean I do not feel the horror and sadness ER feels. I cry for her and know that this is the most awful thing a mother can go through. But, feeling MR is not responsible does not mean I think she is. I absolutely do not and I only wish this could come together and they find their son or at least come to peace together. This has become a situation that will never have a good resolution. No matter what the outcome is this family is going to always be screwed up. That to me is so sad. There are just no words. jmo

I feel the same way both of you do. I hate picking sides. But if I am not convinced that Mark is responsible, that in NO WAY means I think Elaine is. I have no animosity towards her at all... just curious at a few of her responses. But I can cut her as much slack as I do anybody else. I can even understand a little of why she would be suspicious of him. What I don't understand is the hate for him from the general public, when there is so little to base that on. It's almost worse than it was with Scott Peterson.

I do agree that this will never have a good resolution. No matter how it comes out in the end, it has affected so many people, and not in a good way. Even if Dylan is found alive, which I am beginning to think won't happen... that family has been torn apart and may not ever heal. Even if he is found to not be in any way responsible, he will always carry the guilt, thinking what if he had stayed home that morning, what if he had made Dylan get up and go with him, then he would still be here. It has to suck... being all alone with nobody to have his back, nobody on his side, not even his own kids. I can't imagine hating a father that much for no apparent reason that we have seen. It's just beyond me.

JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

I have a highly improbable, wild card question. In the unlikely event that Dylan took off and is staying away on his own accord, where would he be hiding and with whom?

Yes, I know, slim to no chance, but merits a thought.

A basement somewhere ? I wonder when Dylan still lived near there before this fall , did he and his friends go on big daylong adventures up into the woods by themselves to play war or build forts or something like that ? It seems like something a ggroup of boys would go do, maybe even possibly go off camping bythemselves overnight when the weather was mild. Maybe in all that time they discovered a hunting cabin , that's not used much at all. Maybe they put food and drinks there and a deck of cards for a rainy day. It sound pretty impossible and movie like, but could it be ?

 

[SuperMom1995]

BBM I agree with you but man that'd make it so much safer, not to mention more convenient for LE, wouldn't it? I wish it was that easy!

Seajay, I get that. How does one go from a jerk to this? I struggled with it for days, literally vomitting. It's not something you want to think, you try to think everything but that. The reason I came here is because I wanted to be proven wrong and I still do. Everything and anything that anyone might say about me, it's not something I didn't say to myself. It's not easy, never claimed for it to be and I know you aren't saying it is. It's a torment that I can't describe or even begin to put in words. When you honestly have to say those words to someone. I can write them, it's easy because there is no way of knowing how long it has taken me to write them. But I choke each time, I dance each time, and each time those words are said, I cry. I know MR and as much as anyone may believe that it was years ago, he hasn't changed. I have sat here and predicted with 100% accuracy what he would say and do. Yes, there are things that I have since heard that have shocked me, but what not in a good way. His actions then are exactly the same as they are now.
I, of all the people in the world, do not want to know that I could have married someone that is capable of harming a child. I don't want my kids to know that the are a product of that. If I could tell you the talks that we have had, they would tear your heart apart. We DON'T want to believe it, we DON'T want to think it and we absolutely DON'T want to live it. But we are. I don't remember the last conversation my children had with me where we didn't force ourselves to NOT discuss Dylan or MR. I find it hard to even say or type his name, that's how hard it is.
How someone can go from A to B is beyond my scope of understanding and acceptance. It does seem more and more that it is our reality. I was not easy or made lightly.

That was so eloquently stated and I so appreciate you remaining on this site and contributing your knowledge and insight Dailey, despite how heart wrenching this whole ordeal must be for you and your sons. I can't even fathom.... You are doing a brave thing that will help bring Dylan home.

 

[SCHMAE]

I feel the same way both of you do. I hate picking sides. But if I am not convinced that Mark is responsible, that in NO WAY means I think Elaine is. I have no animosity towards her at all... just curious at a few of her responses. But I can cut her as much slack as I do anybody else. I can even understand a little of why she would be suspicious of him. What I don't understand is the hate for him from the general public, when there is so little to base that on. It's almost worse than it was with Scott Peterson.

I do agree that this will never have a good resolution. No matter how it comes out in the end, it has affected so many people, and not in a good way. Even if Dylan is found alive, which I am beginning to think won't happen... that family has been torn apart and may not ever heal. Even if he is found to not be in any way responsible, he will always carry the guilt, thinking what if he had stayed home that morning, what if he had made Dylan get up and go with him, then he would still be here. It has to suck... being all alone with nobody to have his back, nobody on his side, not even his own kids. I can't imagine hating a father that much for no apparent reason that we have seen. It's just beyond me.

JMO

Interesting point. Even if they find him ok or not , and at the VERIFIED hands of an unrelated RSO or something, MR will always be the one spat at for something and I'm thinking if he's found alive, there will be a move to remove his parental rights or something.

eta I hope MR is at peace with his maker because I do not know if we will EVER know if he's involved or not

JMO of course

 

[catswhiskers]

A basement somewhere ? I wonder when Dylan still lived near there before this fall , did he and his friends go on big daylong adventures up into the woods by themselves to play war or build forts or something like that ? It seems like something a ggroup of boys would go do, maybe even possibly go off camping bythemselves overnight when the weather was mild. Maybe in all that time they discovered a hunting cabin , that's not used much at all. Maybe they put food and drinks there and a deck of cards for a rainy day. It sound pretty impossible and movie like, but could it be ?

It would be great if that were true. But honestly, I doubt a 13 year old would even last a full week before boredom set in, let alone months. Similarly if he was with a friend/family member - I doubt he would still be a willing participant after this long. :moo:

 

[cluciano63]

It is strange to me that none of his older children seem to have any good feelings toward MR. They have different mothers, so it is not a case of one woman "poisoning" the minds of her children, and in any case, they are all adults who could have formed relationships with him later on. There have to be reasons that a number (4?) of adults decline a relationship with a father.

Perhaps if even one other known person had seen or spoken to Dylan on Monday, whatever hostilities the kids and ex may have for MR would never have become an issue, but I think the fact that no one, including LE, can verify Dylan's well-being on Monday, became a hurdle that those who had known him in a family way could not get over. JMO

 

[SuperMom1995]

1) brought that up as a possibility on Thursday, under the Some Other Dude Did It theory - It being either murder or abduction
2) brought that up on Friday under the MR Did It -Accidental with Coverup.

For the first one, I'd like to know if MR is exhibiting any behavior changes, such as agitation, etc. Nothing has been said about him acting freaked out, which I have to imagine he would be. IMO

For the second, same thing, agitation or something - remorse and self blame? but there's absolutely nothing published that would indicate it. IMO

I don't know that we would see that with a narcissistic or sociopathic personality, if he had such a disorder.

 

[cluciano63]

It would be great if that were true. But honestly, I doubt a 13 year old would even last a full week before boredom set in, let alone months. Similarly if he was with a friend/family member - I doubt he would still be a willing participant after this long. :moo:

I agree, he is missing too many things, the holidays, his birthday, school events, things that are landmarks and big deals for kids his age, especially as it seems he was forming new friendships, getting acclimated in a new school. Dylan appears to be a pretty well-adjusted kid despite his parents, involved and active with school, sports and friendships. Hiding out might be "fun" for a few days at most.