CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[tamild]

No such thing as stupid questions
I think it depends on the type of basement. Some houses in CO have two levels, which some may consider a basement and an upstairs. But the basement is actually partially under the ground level. I had a home that had four levels, the main floor was ground level, then you went downstairs and it wsa partially below ground level, you went downstairs again and it was completely belowe ground. In that house (all of them are built different) you couldn't hear anyone from the top level, but you could the closer you got. So basically it was no different in sound overall (yes there was some difference but not a lot). This was mainly because the staircases were all open and there were doors that I would use to shut off the sound but it wasn't completely sound proof.

I just wanted to add that some basements in older houses are accessed from the outside. Also, some people may have a cellar that's not under the house at all.

 

[mmmagique]

With all due respect, this doesn't answer the poster's questions. Your last paragraph makes it even harder to rationalize to me. If it's beyond your scope of understanding or acceptance, then how on earth did you come to this conclusion, that this man is capable of murdering his own son? What did he DO that caused these feelings? There has to be something, IMO, otherwise it is just feelings and doubts... not certainty.

Did he ever cause serious harm to one of you? Did he ever threaten to hurt or kill one of the boys, either verbally or physically? Did he pick up a baseball bat or a club or a gun, and come toward any of you in a threatening manner? (That right there, in Texas, is enough to land someone in jail, btw.)

Please understand, I mean no disrespect, I am only asking what happened to make you think he's capable of murder. Your post only covers your feelings, it says nothing about what HE has done that caused them. That's all we're asking. WHY would he want Dylan dead?

IMO, it takes a special kind of evil for a parent to kill their own child. So far I have not seen any evil in this man. You know him better than we do, so I'm not asking HOW you feel, but WHY you feel that way.

Again, I apologize if this is too personal. If you can't answer, then just ignore, I'll understand.

There are lots of loving sweet people who for some reason or another, just *snap* and commit murder.

By all accounts, Susan Smith was a loving, devoted mother, people described Casey Anthony as a caring, loving mother, but that doesn't mean they couldn't (and obviously did) just *snap*

In other cases, people pick up little clues (or big clues) about what a person is capable of.

He's been arrested twice for menacing (one time involving a six year old boy) He's been known to hide his children from both of the mothers' of his children. None of his grown children have a relationship with him.

No one *wants* to believe that their ex is capable of disappearing their child. No one *wants* to believe that someone they know could do such a thing. That's why we hear on the news all the time "Oh, he was such a nice guy..." Unfortunately, sometimes even nice guys do wicked things. And I personally, don't think he was so nice, anyway.

 

[SCHMAE]

It would be great if that were true. But honestly, I doubt a 13 year old would even last a full week before boredom set in, let alone months. Similarly if he was with a friend/family member - I doubt he would still be a willing participant after this long. :moo:

Who's to say he's willing ?
I guess there are 2 ideas IF indeed he is hidden.
A ) DR wanted hidden just as badly as some adult person wanted him hidden.
B ) DR had no idea he was going to be hidden and is none too happy about it

 

[jjenny]

In all fairness we have no idea what the dr phil schedule is related to. Its speculated a LOT that it's MR's squirreliness in trying to get out of it, but we
have no idea. Could be that it took awhile to reach all fo the guests and get them
confirmed and them be able to m ake travel arrangements at the same time, etc.
Im not saying its NOT MRs fault, but I do not think we can assume that it is MR fault.

Actually, we do have an idea. First, it was posted on facebook. But if you don't trust that, we have an msm source as well.
"Producers wanted the Redwine family to tape the show this week in California, but Mark Redwine was unable to attend, he said. Now, the producers want to tape on Wednesday or Feb. 27."
http://durangoherald.com/article/20130213/NEWS01/130219806/Dr-Phil-working-on-a-Redwine-program--

 

[TxLady2]

Let me preface my answer to this question by stating I entertain multiple theories. Listed here not in any particular order of preference.

1. Murder involving MR premeditated or not.
2. Accident involving MR.
3. Abduction involving a family/friend
4. Abduction involving a stranger

If I understand correctly you are asking what motive would there be for theory number 1.

I would submit, regaining control.

I would also submit that if there was premeditation involved, Dylan may not have been the entire plan. MR's text messages to Cory, chill me to the bone. Of course, I could be completely misinterpreting MR's meaning. He texted "
"You are everything I did 2Day..... But I can change it all!!!!!!! No Cory, no Dylan, no me!!!!!!
_____
JMOO

This sounds a little to me like he was thinking about suicide... maybe he was trying to say that his kids are his purpose for living, for getting up and going to work. Might be a stretch, but then so is the idea that he would kill his own son for revenge against his ex wife, IMO. That might happen, but it's not all that common, I don't think. And this speculation about if he couldn't have Dylan, no one else would, is just as iffy. JMO, of course.

 

[SCHMAE]

It is strange to me that none of his older children seem to have any good feelings toward MR. They have different mothers, so it is not a case of one woman "poisoning" the minds of her children, and in any case, they are all adults who could have formed relationships with him later on. There have to be reasons that a number (4?) of adults decline a relationship with a father.

Perhaps if even one other known person had seen or spoken to Dylan on Monday, whatever hostilities the kids and ex may have for MR would never have become an issue, but I think the fact that no one, including LE, can verify Dylan's well-being on Monday, became a hurdle that those who had known him in a family way could not get over. JMO

BUT CR went to be with his dad in the pretty immediate after math. I do think at that time, that it was a sincere attempt to 'comfort' each other and try to figure out what to do. The other possibility is that CR was going in to collect information to see if he could ' sleuth' out where DR was ? So at that time did CR not feel dad was involved? But left the home a day or two later thinking taht MR was involved ? Because of something MR said or questions he refused to answer ?
MOOOOO

 

[MissJ]

Yep. I remain on the fence about Terri Horman with regard to missing Kyron. I DON'T jump to conclusions.

I've also worked inside the walls of prisons as a counselor and had direct contact with the inmates on a daily basis. It means relatively nothing. There are murderers I've known who were basically what people would call a "nice guy" and I agree. And maybe when they get out, they will be a "nice guy" again. I've also met guys in prison who were convicted of much, much, less than murder....but I wouldn't turn my back on them for a second. I've met people on the street that chilled me to the bone...for no particular reason. But something was "off". MR is "off". JMO

And not that I want to get into an OT argument with anyone, but feel compelled to respond to any inaccurate allegations against CPS. CPS does not remove children without cause. CPS does not determine custody issues. A judge makes that determination in a court of law. Also, a judge and Friend of the Court make the determination about child support, not CPS. There are always two sides to every story and unfortunately, CPS records are sealed and they are not allowed to respond to public allegations because their job is to protect the minor child, so the public often maligns CPS and makes a lot of statements that aren't 100% accurate. It is next to impossible to remove children without considerable evidence against a parent and you usually see more cases of children that should have been removed but the judge didn't see it the same way until it was too late. Parental rights are sovereign in the eyes of the Law and the Court.

JMO

Thank you NC. Just what I've been saying over and over.:what::moo:

 

[SCHMAE]

Thank you NC. Just what I've been saying over and over.:what::moo:

Right not all murderers look like Charles Manson.
Some look like Ted Bundy, clean cut, respectable, professional
boy next door !

And to be fair Bundy's body count was way higher than Manson's right?
His actual physical appearance and mild manners are how he got away
with it for so long !

 

[SuperMom1995]

And per LE statement, he didn't report Dylan missing until shortly before 6 pm. What I can't figure out is what was he doing between the time he texted mom and finally got around to going to the Marshall's office. Really? An hour before he reports it, but by his own words it "hit him" that something was seriously wrong when he arrived at N's house and they told him they hadn't heard from Dylan all day?
MOO

....and there we go

 

[cluciano63]

BUT CR went to be with his dad in the pretty immediate after math. I do think at that time, that it was a sincere attempt to 'comfort' each other and try to figure out what to do. The other possibility is that CR was going in to collect information to see if he could ' sleuth' out where DR was ? So at that time did CR not feel dad was involved? But left the home a day or two later thinking taht MR was involved ? Because of something MR said or questions he refused to answer ?
MOOOOO

I don't get the impression that CR was super-hostile toward MR before Dylan vanished. He has said some good things about Dylan and MR's relationship even after he seemed to begin to question MR's possible involvement. I think that CR felt that MR was either avoiding his questions or refused to answer them
altogether, causing CR to take the stance he did. He may have also been told that MR did not pass a lie detector. That might have a great impression on a young adult, about his father.

 

[catswhiskers]

This sounds a little to me like he was thinking about suicide... maybe he was trying to say that his kids are his purpose for living, for getting up and going to work. Might be a stretch, but then so is the idea that he would kill his own son for revenge against his ex wife, IMO. That might happen, but it's not all that common, I don't think. And this speculation about if he couldn't have Dylan, no one else would, is just as iffy. JMO, of course.

That's how I read that particular message too. IMO it's unfair to read anything much into them because we only saw selected parts of the conversation. MR was obviously upset at the time, and it would help to know what the other party contributed too. A lot of criticism has been directed at MR for his wording, but from what I have seen I doubt there was any mincing of words from others involved in those conversations.
:moo:

 

[TxJan1971]

With all due respect, this doesn't answer the poster's questions. Your last paragraph makes it even harder to rationalize to me. If it's beyond your scope of understanding or acceptance, then how on earth did you come to this conclusion, that this man is capable of murdering his own son? What did he DO that caused these feelings? There has to be something, IMO, otherwise it is just feelings and doubts... not certainty.

Did he ever cause serious harm to one of you? Did he ever threaten to hurt or kill one of the boys, either verbally or physically? Did he pick up a baseball bat or a club or a gun, and come toward any of you in a threatening manner? (That right there, in Texas, is enough to land someone in jail, btw.)

Please understand, I mean no disrespect, I am only asking what happened to make you think he's capable of murder. Your post only covers your feelings, it says nothing about what HE has done that caused them. That's all we're asking. WHY would he want Dylan dead?

IMO, it takes a special kind of evil for a parent to kill their own child. So far I have not seen any evil in this man. You know him better than we do, so I'm not asking HOW you feel, but WHY you feel that way.

Again, I apologize if this is too personal. If you can't answer, then just ignore, I'll understand.

There are lots of loving sweet people who for some reason or another, just *snap* and commit murder.

By all accounts, Susan Smith was a loving, devoted mother, people described Casey Anthony as a caring, loving mother, but that doesn't mean they couldn't (and obviously did) just *snap*

In other cases, people pick up little clues (or big clues) about what a person is capable of.

He's been arrested twice for menacing (one time involving a six year old boy) He's been known to hide his children from both of the mothers' of his children. None of his grown children have a relationship with him.

No one *wants* to believe that their ex is capable of disappearing their child. No one *wants* to believe that someone they know could do such a thing. That's why we hear on the news all the time "Oh, he was such a nice guy..." Unfortunately, sometimes even nice guys do wicked things. And I personally, don't think he was so nice, anyway.

BBM
Just adding AZG's previous response to a similar question that is related to the questions/discussion above.

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[SCHMAE]

I don't get the impression that CR was super-hostile toward MR before Dylan vanished. He has said some good things about Dylan and MR's relationship even after he seemed to begin to question MR's possible involvement. I think that CR felt that MR was either avoiding his questions or refused to answer them
altogether, causing CR to take the stance he did. He may have also been told that MR did not pass a lie detector. That might have a great impression on a young adult, about his father.

Do you know off hand what day it is that CR went to MR's house?
I remember it was very early but no clue if it was 2 days later or 8 days later.
Then we could see when CR's language began to change? Did it evolve or
change in an instant ?

 

[Ronald99]

We dont know what hes like all we see is what he wants us to see on TV.

I dont think the guys a murderer but I do think he can react badly in certain situations. I see a manipulator. Hes called all the shots so far with the Dr. PHil show hasnt he? Will he go Yes he will when 3 weeks. no Feb 28 .no Feb 20th hes always in controll....JMO

All JMO

Manipulation and Deflection.

It's going to be interesting watching him attempt either on the Dr Phil Show.
I'm wonderning if his criminal attorney will be present to prevent the answering of in depth questions.

 

[SCHMAE]

Manipulation and Deflection.

It's going to be interesting watching him attempt either on the Dr Phil Show.
I'm wonderning if his criminal attorney will be present to prevent the answering of in depth questions.

I still don't think he's hired a criminal attorney.
All of his talking the last few weeks solidifies my
position on that. If he does have one, his attorney is
LAME or he's ignoring his advice !

 

[tamild]

Mark said that Dylan said "I understand".

But what did he understand? That MR was leaving without him?

 

[cluciano63]

Do you know off hand what day it is that CR went to MR's house?
I remember it was very early but no clue if it was 2 days later or 8 days later.
Then we could see when CR's language began to change? Did it evolve or
change in an instant ?

I did not know that he went to MR's, was taking your word for it, lol.

 

[Salem]

That's my take on it - that Dylan understood MR needed to go take care of his errands and if Dylan was not going to get up then MR needed to go without him and would take him to his friends when he got back.

That is my opinion of what MR was saying.

Salem

 

[catswhiskers]

Dr Phil is primarily an entertainer of sorts now. I would think the best thing to come out of appearing on his show is getting huge exposure for Dylan across the country. I also imagine Dr Phil would be aiming to get the family talking together and overcoming some big hurdles in that department. They are the big positives IMO. However, I'm not sure why anyone would be thinking that he is about to crack the case? Dr Phil is not LE, nor should he be interrogating anyone, but that seems to be what some seem to be gleefully awaiting - the notion that MR will meet his match?

 

[Salem]

Do you know off hand what day it is that CR went to MR's house?
I remember it was very early but no clue if it was 2 days later or 8 days later.
Then we could see when CR's language began to change? Did it evolve or
change in an instant ?

Did they meet at MR's house? For some reason I was under the impression that the meeting with MR's sons and brother took place at the police station? I don't know? I don't think we have seen it reported just where that meeting took place, have we?

Salem