CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[Kamille]

I'm confused about this too. If the father is simply keeping the child from his family, friends, school and normal activities, then Dylan has to be either chained up somewhere or in agreement with disappearing. That simply makes no sense.

This seemed like a hitch hiking abduction to me from the beginning. That's the one plausible explanation that makes sense for Dylan's disappearance.

Here are the setbacks to that theory however otto...

Dylan did not reach out to contact anyone after either 8:15pm or 9:37pm Sunday night, depending on whether we can rely on the newswoman actually getting confirmation from LE that a text was sent from an electronic device that only Dylan had access to at that time. His mother has indicated that his cell phone records show the last communication just after 8pm.

It has not been established, to my knowledge, that Dylan was ever at the home on Sunday night. He had his own bedroom there but did not use it. He apparently also did not unpack anything from his backpack or if he did he packed it all back up again to go into town for the day without notifying either his father or the child he was to meet. Nothing was left behind, not even a sock. His mother had to turn around and go back to her home while she was on the way to Bayfield to pick up scent items. She apparently did this at the request of LE.

According to MR, he found an empty, used cereal bowl beside the sink, the television was tuned to Nickelodeon and Dylan was not there when he got home at 11:30am. None of the programming on Nickelodeon for either the night before or the next morning are programs that a 13yr old boy would appear to be interested in. Because LE treated this as a possible runaway situation for the first few days, I assume that the supposed used cereal bowl was not still beside the sink when they did their search warrant 10 days after he went missing.

MR tried to contact Dylan via text during the course of the morning while he was in town apparently to talk about their plans for the week and to find out if he needed to pick anything up. He did this knowing that there was sporadic cell service at his home. He did not get a response from Dylan and he did not try to call the cell phone or the home landline where he would have been sure that the call would go through.

I'm not sure if it's even been established that MR was at the house on Sunday night. There doesn't appear to be any witnesses to seeing either him or Dylan there that evening. Requests for video surveillance of the road between Durango and Vallecito seem to have come up empty.

MR claims he went to bed at 10:30pm Sunday night. He got up at 6-6:30am. He left at 7:30am to go to Durango. He returned at 11:30am where he proceeded to send off a couple more texts to Dylan and take a nap until 2:30pm. That's a lot of sleep in a 16hr period.

His father has indicated that Dylan's fishing pole is missing. While he was to meet with friends in Bayfield early Monday morning according to the last texts to his friend on Sunday night, I have heard nothing about plans for them to go fishing in late November. Seems kind of cumbersome to be taking everything you brought with you for a week's stay and a fishing pole to go off hitchhiking to a friend's house for the day.

There are a few different variations of what supposedly transpired on Monday morning between Dylan and MR before MR left to "run his errands". All of the variations are attributed to words that MR himself have said to various reporters.

Posters here have picked up on a few discrepancies in MR's version of events between early media interviews and reports and later media interviews and reports. Actually his story is very vague. And does not include anything that Dylan actually said. Just vague "indications" and "suggestions" of what their conversation was.

Dylan, to my knowledge, has never attempted to hitch hike to Bayfield from his father's home in the 6 plus years that his father has lived there. Nor has there been any proof that he hitched anywhere other than once with a group of friends in a snowstorm. Dylan also had a pair of running shoes with very distinctive tread on the bottom. There were no footprints in the dirt in front of the house or along the shoulder of the road with that distinct tread that I'm aware of.

MR's house is near the end of a dead end road. At the end of the road is a trailer park that was closed for the season. The only people who should be driving up or down that road are locals who live north of MR and any delivery people, postal...newspaper etc. So if Dylan was hitchhiking, no one other than whomever picked him up and abducted him was on that road at the time he would have been because no one saw Dylan either in front of the house or on that road. So we would have to believe that a random preditor/abductor just happened to be driving along a dead end road in a very secluded area with not many children living in the vicinity sometime after 7:30am and before 11:00am on a Monday morning. The odds on that must be pretty high. Not impossible but improbable.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Thanks. I can see the possibility that Dylan's cell phone was dead, that his father's computer was password protected and that Dylan could have been hitch hiking. Bayfield was 20-30 minutes away, and a 13 year old could decide to get a ride and sort out the details later.

Your post is exactly what I believe may have happened in this case.

The next thing people will say is that Mark had a landline so why didn't Dylan call his friends using that?

My answer is that he didn't have the numbers memorized and if his cellphone was inoperable he had no clue on how to call them.

Then someone will say he would have call 411 and on and on it goes.

 

[Tennlyn]

OMG! I just saw a flash of Dylan's face on my TV and I live in California! That's a first. It was an upcoming News clip about missing children.

What station? Maybe they broadcast online. Was it for a 5 oclock broadcast?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If teens know anything it is how to charge phones, and that a phone will let you text as soon as you plug it in.

Phone's broken remember?
He has no password for computer
Doesn't know how to use a landline/doesn't have numbers

BUT...what happened to the iPod Touch?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

What station? Maybe they broadcast online. Was it for a 5 oclock broadcast?

I believe so I wasn't paying much attention. I think they said in the upcoming news broadcast they are going to tell you how to keep your children safe from predators. I don't think it's going to be about Dylan, just that they showed his picture. It looked like a computer screen shot...maybe even the facebook page? I just glanced up real quick and it was gone in a flash.

 

[otto]

The assumption his phone was broken comes from trying to explain away Dylan's complete dropping off the map of communication as of Sunday night. Nothing more, IMO.

The alternative would be that his father murdered him that evening. Does that seem more likely than hitch hiking?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Oh wait...I forgot Dad didn't have wifi for the iPod touch? Was that it?

Don't know how that 9:37 message went out then.

 

[nursebeeme]

OMG! I just saw a flash of Dylan's face on my TV and I live in California! That's a first. It was an upcoming News clip about missing children.

That is great news!!!!:rocker:

 

[SuperMom1995]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ultiple-tips-to-find-possible-witness-in-case

(Within weeks of Dylan's disappearance, investigators said they determined the teen did not run away. But members of the task force searching for Dylan will not disclose what led them to that conclusion)

(The tipster told investigators they were approached that day by a man who asked where he could find gasoline for his vehicle. The man was described as Hispanic, between 45 and 50 years old, about 5 feet 10 inches tall,
weighing about 170 pounds with dark hair.)

Murder for hire? Abduction for hire?

 

[WesternMD]

Where are you, Dylan ?

 

[cluciano63]

The alternative would be that his father murdered him that evening. Does that seem more likely than hitch hiking?

I don't know. I know fathers have done it before, especially when involved in contentious divorce issues. I doubt anyone thought those fathers would have killed their children either.

 

[Tennlyn]

The alternative would be that his father murdered him that evening. Does that seem more likely than hitch hiking?

Sadly, having followed this case from the beginning, it seems far more likely to me that MR killed Dylan than Dylan was hitchhiking. :moo:

 

[Kamille]

The alternative would be that his father murdered him that evening. Does that seem more likely than hitch hiking?

There were a lot of things going on in the months leading up to this visit otto. A lot of tension between MR and ER and Dylan was caught up in the middle. The poor child had testified twice, both sealed documents, at court hearings prior to this visit. Court hearings that were initiated by MR because he tried to prevent his ex-wife from being able to move 5 hours away with their son. A son that he only seemed to see on extended vacations where they were travelling across the country anyway.

And the result of those court hearings were that he lost custody and possibly child support. He probably was actually ordered to start paying child support. His "errand" on the Monday morning was to speak with the payroll dept at his work and his divorce attorney so he could file some more papers so he was still fighting this.

There could have been a lot of tension between father and son on that visit. The first visit that Dylan was ordered by a court to go on. The first visit that MR was to see his son after losing custody in a court hearing in which Dylan testified.

The first thing he did when Dylan got there was to deny him the opportunity to visit his friends like he had been planning. That couldn't have gone over well IMO.

Did he murder his son? Possibly, there are documented cases of it happening, especially in custody disputes. Did he have an altercation with his son that ended tragically? That's possible too.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

Thanks. If the computer was password protected, then Dylan couldn't use the computer. So he had an ipod touch?

Did dad lock the front door when he went out?

It seems to be about 15 miles from Vallecito to Bayfield. On the highway, that can take 20-30 minutes ... maybe 45 for a slow windy road ... but if Dylan was thinking that he could be in Bayfield in 20 minutes, why not just go there and get in touch with friends after he arrived?

There are a lot of other things that make many of us believe that the answer is probably not hitchhiking. Long and complicated, but keep an open mind and you might begin to understand where some are coming from.

That morning, D's friends were waiting for him since 6:30 am. He had texted the entire previous day about his excitement to go see them, and wanted to make sure his friend RN would be awake enough to let him in at 6:30, at RN's grandma's house.

At 6:45 Monday morning, RN texted DR and asked him where he was. At 10 am, Rn texted DR and told him where he was heading to. [ Nandos]

If he was going to town to meet up with his friends, why not answer those texts, giving them a heads up. If not, those kids might go somewhere else, liker the movies or fishing.

If you read the text convo that he had the previous day, then it is even odder that he never contacted anyone Monday morning. He was a very popular, social 13 yr old. Not one that would just up and pack up everything and walk alone to the highway, without communicating with anyone, according to his friends and his mother and brother. They all were surprised that he hadnt reached out and asked for a ride.

Why would D go on a long cold walk, with ALL of his belongings, and supposedly his fishing pole, without first contacting his friends, to see where they were and to see if he could get a ride?

Besides, he already knew, according to Dad, that he was getting picked up at 11 to go to town. What was the big rush if he hadn't even called/texted his friends yet? It was probably at least 9:30 or 10 before he would have been up and ready to go. And by then his Dad was only an hour from returning.

His DAd said his fishing pole was missing and he was angry that LE didn't start searching the lake sooner than they did. Yet Dad took a nap before he went looking. And we are not sure that dad ever went to look at the lake himself.

And also Otto, we had weeks of discussions about previous incidents with the father, previous arrests due to his volatile temper. And incidents where he did not return his older sons from visitation on time, just to mess with his ex wives. He hid them out in a friends cabin once years ago, just for a day or two. But he was trying to make a point that he was in control.

He was estranged from all of his older kids, and his own family[ except for one brother]. And he is not thought of highly by his exwives either.

Nobody ever saw D walking along the road hitchhiking.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Murder for hire? Abduction for hire?

Possible, but that seems so unlikely to me.

 

[otto]

Here are the setbacks to that theory however otto...

Dylan did not reach out to contact anyone after either 8:15pm or 9:37pm Sunday night, depending on whether we can rely on the newswoman actually getting confirmation from LE that a text was sent from an electronic device that only Dylan had access to at that time. His mother has indicated that his cell phone records show the last communication just after 8pm.

It has not been established, to my knowledge, that Dylan was ever at the home on Sunday night. He had his own bedroom there but did not use it. He apparently also did not unpack anything from his backpack or if he did he packed it all back up again to go into town for the day without notifying either his father or the child he was to meet. Nothing was left behind, not even a sock. His mother had to turn around and go back to her home while she was on the way to Bayfield to pick up scent items. She apparently did this at the request of LE.

According to MR, he found an empty, used cereal bowl beside the sink, the television was tuned to Nickelodeon and Dylan was not there when he got home at 11:30am. None of the programming on Nickelodeon for either the night before or the next morning are programs that a 13yr old boy would appear to be interested in. Because LE treated this as a possible runaway situation for the first few days, I assume that the supposed used cereal bowl was not still beside the sink when they did their search warrant 10 days after he went missing.

MR tried to contact Dylan via text during the course of the morning while he was in town apparently to talk about their plans for the week and to find out if he needed to pick anything up. He did this knowing that there was sporadic cell service at his home. He did not get a response from Dylan and he did not try to call the cell phone or the home landline where he would have been sure that the call would go through.

I'm not sure if it's even been established that MR was at the house on Sunday night. There doesn't appear to be any witnesses to seeing either him or Dylan there that evening. Requests for video surveillance of the road between Durango and Vallecito seem to have come up empty.

MR claims he went to bed at 10:30pm Sunday night. He got up at 6-6:30am. He left at 7:30am to go to Durango. He returned at 11:30am where he proceeded to send off a couple more texts to Dylan and take a nap until 2:30pm. That's a lot of sleep in a 16hr period.

His father has indicated that Dylan's fishing pole is missing. While he was to meet with friends in Bayfield early Monday morning according to the last texts to his friend on Sunday night, I have heard nothing about plans for them to go fishing in late November. Seems kind of cumbersome to be taking everything you brought with you for a week's stay and a fishing pole to go off hitchhiking to a friend's house for the day.

There are a few different variations of what supposedly transpired on Monday morning between Dylan and MR before MR left to "run his errands". All of the variations are attributed to words that MR himself have said to various reporters.

Posters here have picked up on a few discrepancies in MR's version of events between early media interviews and reports and later media interviews and reports. Actually his story is very vague. And does not include anything that Dylan actually said. Just vague "indications" and "suggestions" of what their conversation was.

Dylan, to my knowledge, has never attempted to hitch hike to Bayfield from his father's home in the 6 plus years that his father has lived there. Nor has there been any proof that he hitched anywhere other than once with a group of friends in a snowstorm. Dylan also had a pair of running shoes with very distinctive tread on the bottom. There were no footprints in the dirt in front of the house or along the shoulder of the road with that distinct tread that I'm aware of.

MR's house is near the end of a dead end road. At the end of the road is a trailer park that was closed for the season. The only people who should be driving up or down that road are locals who live north of MR and any delivery people, postal...newspaper etc. So if Dylan was hitchhiking, no one other than whomever picked him up and abducted him was on that road at the time he would have been because no one saw Dylan either in front of the house or on that road. So we would have to believe that a random preditor/abductor just happened to be driving along a dead end road in a very secluded area with not many children living in the vicinity sometime after 7:30am and before 11:00am on a Monday morning. The odds on that must be pretty high. Not impossible but improbable.

MOO

Thank you for your informative post.

The main problem I have with scrutinizing a parent of a missing child and interpreting everything as though they are guilty is that I see this over and over again. Take any missing child and the first person that is discussed as guilty on forums is the parent.

I'm trying to see this without looking at the usual suspect ... trying to understand whether Dyan could have disappeared without the father murdering him on the night he arrived for a visit. Personally, I can't see any reason why the dad would murder his son at 8 or 9 that evening.

 

[katydid23]

15 highway miles shouldn't take more than 20-30 minutes and hitch hiking is a quick, easy, convenient ride.

Locals have said it was more of a 45 minute drive. And he didnt know where his friends were at that time. They had texted and told him where they were going, but apparently his cell was never used that morning so he did not know that info.

 

[Confusion]

The alternative would be that his father murdered him that evening. Does that seem more likely than hitch hiking?

I'm actually more inclined to believe it was someone Dylan (and his parents) knew who came to the house and agreed to give him a ride to Bayfield. I personally find that much more likely than a father murdering the only son he's been said to be close to. Being picked up by the wrong person while hitchhiking would probably be my choice for second most likely. Obviously, not everybody agrees with me. MOO

 

[SuperMom1995]

lease:T

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-on-day-13-year-old-dylan-redwine-disappeared

(The tipster told investigators they were approached that day by a man who asked where he could find gasoline for his vehicle. The man was described as Hispanic, between 45 and 50 years old, about 5-feet-10 inches tall, weighing about 170 pounds with dark hair.

The man said he was looking at rental properties, said Sheriff's Office spokesman Daniel L. Bender. The tipster did not have a description of the vehicle.



Bender said investigators want to talk with the Hispanic man, because he might have witnessed something and not realized it.

Anyone matching the man's description who was in the Vallecito area on Nov. 18-19 is asked to contact the La Plata Sheriff’s Office.

Bender said investigators will not identify the tipster whom they interviewed over the weekend and will not say where the interview took place. They did say the interview was a direct result of information left on the tip line.)

How tall is mark and how much does he weigh?

 

[Tennlyn]

Thank you for your informative post.

The main problem I have with scrutinizing a parent of a missing child and interpreting everything as though they are guilty is that I see this over and over again. Take any missing child and the first person that is discussed as guilty on forums is the parent.

I'm trying to see this without looking at the usual suspect ... trying to understand whether Dyan could have disappeared without the father murdering him on the night he arrived for a visit. Personally, I can't see any reason why the dad would murder his son at 8 or 9 that evening.

So just because everyone always says the parents did it, MR must be innocent?