CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[SCHMAE]

Ok, I'll play. Who said Dylan disappeared into thin air??? I sure didn't see anyone say that, let alone me as to why my post would be quoted and replied to.

Right I think that post was more in order to find MR did something
you have to ' make up ' that there was an argument. We have no
proof or indication that there was ......
If there was no argument that MR exploded and harmed Dylan, but
still is responsible then we have to say it's pre meditated and while
that is a possibility, I would say it's the least likely of all at this point
MOOOOOOOOOOOOO

eta.. that does not mean there was no argument, very well might have been
but we don't know it and nothing really shows there was .

 

[Ausgirl]

In my opinion, given all known facts and factors, it is clearly far more likely that Dylan was a victim of his father than any kind of abduction.

Of course, should new information come to light, it could change this opinion quite significantly. Not the facts themselves. Just my opinions as to how those facts fit with what actually happened.

But until I see more evidence towards another fate for Dylan, my conclusions must rest with the scenario that seems most likely, given said facts.

And as for Mark's genuine grief (as I believe it is) during his interviews - it is quite possible that even if he is responsible for Dylan's disappearance in a more direct way, he can still grieve his son.

 

[jade32]

i haven't been very active lately on here, but that's due to developing my own website for the Netherlands like Websleuths!

But I do often lurk here, cause if i can do anything to help, I will. Back on topic....

What concerns me with this case is the lack of information about the exact time Dylan went missing and his activities right before he went missing.

Dad says that Dylan was still sleeping when he left for "errands", did he even check the bedroom if Dylan was there?

This has been such a weird case to me. Cause if you have a 13 year old son, you know about his whereabouts or what he's been up to right? And if you leave the house leaving your 13 year old, wouldn't you tell him at least where you're going?

I don't think Dylan went missing voluntarily, cause if he was he probably had planned this way before visiting his dad and i think there would have been sightings. And why would he text his friend that he would come later?

Was it even Dylan that texted? Did Dad own a boat? Is it known what he was doing running "errands"? The lack of information about Dylan or what he was up to, how he was feeling, concerns me. I pray for his return home!

Maybe some things I wrote down here, are already said, but I just wanted to give my opinion about things. Sorry for any double things!

 

[TxLady2]

I am very sorry that you are having a bad day, I didn't realize anyone here had said anything about him running away. I thought that was already eliminated along time ago. Sometimes when I read, I brush right over a lot of the things that I feel are "personal attacks." I'm talking about everywhere, not just referring to here. That's not easy to do though, when it involves you or someone you love.

I also know how awful it is, when those old memories are brought to the surface again. I'm so sorry that this is whole thing is happening in all your lives.

Yesterday I was talking about why SOME kids run away, but did not imply that I believed Dylan had. I was talking in a general sense, the way that a lot of us do on various topics. If that was taken personally, I'm sorry, but not everything we say is directly related to Dylan or anyone else.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And allegedly the one way ticket for this visit was Purchased on the day he learned that he lost custody and child support.

I've been looking for the source of the "one way ticket" and have been unsuccessful. A Google search brings me back here to WS and another forum. Does anyone know where this information is coming from?

 

[jjenny]

i haven't been very active lately on here, but that's due to developing my own website for the Netherlands like Websleuths!

But I do often lurk here, cause if i can do anything to help, I will. Back on topic....

What concerns me with this case is the lack of information about the exact time Dylan went missing and his activities right before he went missing.

Dad says that Dylan was still sleeping when he left for "errands", did he even check the bedroom if Dylan was there?

This has been such a weird case to me. Cause if you have a 13 year old son, you know about his whereabouts or what he's been up to right? And if you leave the house leaving your 13 year old, wouldn't you tell him at least where you're going?

I don't think Dylan went missing voluntarily, cause if he was he probably had planned this way before visiting his dad and i think there would have been sightings. And why would he text his friend that he would come later?

Was it even Dylan that texted? Did Dad own a boat? Is it known what he was doing running "errands"? The lack of information about Dylan or what he was up to, how he was feeling, concerns me. I pray for his return home!

Maybe some things I wrote down here, are already said, but I just wanted to give my opinion about things. Sorry for any double things!

Dylan wasn't sleeping the bedroom. He was sleeping on the couch in the living room. MR couldn't have possibly missed seeing him-it's a small space, and there is no separation between living room and kitchen. It is known what MR was doing during his errands. I don't think MR owned a boat (although I haven't heard anything either way).

 

[Eileen730]

I've been looking for the source of the "one way ticket" and have been unsuccessful. A Google search brings me back here to WS and another forum. Does anyone know where this information is coming from?

Not sure but wasnt it in one of the uncut interviews!

 

[otto]

Ok, he was up until 4 am, that means he went to bed right? Do you know if he woke up at 6 am and only got two hours of sleep or did he wake up at noon after 8 hours of sleep?
If he woke up at noon, he had 8 hours of sleep, his flight arrived at around 6 pm, so perhaps let's say it took off at 4:30, it's not like he's traveling through a MAJOR airport, you can spit from one side to the other of both Colo Springs airport and Durange, so I don't see him having to get there two hours early to account for security & check in. Give the benefit of the doubt, he got to the airport at around 230.
So you have a child that had about 8 hrs sleep, packed his stuff, left for the airport and 6 - 8 hours after being awake he was exhausted.

REALLY? Again, if he only had an hour or two, even 4 hours of sleep I would maybe buy exhausted.

Do you remember when you were young, party all night, little sleep, up and at 'em in the morning. Younger people have more bounce than us old folks. :floorlaugh:

He could not have left at 4:30 and arrived at 6:00.

It's a 3 hour flight, which was delayed. He would have been at the airport on time for his flight, so he should have been at the airport or in flight for at least 4 hours. If his flight was delayed by an hour, then he was at the airport at about 1 PM.

His father said that he was up until 4 AM. If he left for the airport at noon-ish, then he had 8 hours of sleep if he slept in his clothes, got out of bed and got in the car to go to the airport ... but hopefully he had something to eat and had at least an hour before leaving ... so that means that he should have been up no later than 11:30. At that point, he would have had 7.5 hours between going to bed and getting up ... and that's cutting all times to the minimum. I suspect that it's more likely that he had 7 hours or less.

Teenagers need their sleep, even if they don't want to go to bed ... more sleep than people that have stopped growing.

 

[SCHMAE]

He could not have left at 4:30 and arrived at 6:00.

It's a 3 hour flight, which was delayed. He would have been at the airport on time for his flight, so he should have been at the airport or in flight for at least 4 hours. If his flight was delayed by an hour, then he was at the airport at about 1 PM.

His father said that he was up until 4 AM. If he left for the airport at noon-ish, then he had 8 hours of sleep if he slept in his clothes, got out of bed and got in the car to go to the airport ... but hopefully he had something to eat and had at least an hour before leaving ... so that means that he should have been up no later than 11:30. At that point, he would have had 7.5 hours between going to bed and getting up ... and that's cutting all times to the minimum. I suspect that it's more likely that he had 7 hours or less.

Teenagers need their sleep, even if they don't want to go to bed ... more sleep than people that have stopped growing.

A three hour flight? How can that be? I can fly from Dallas to Florida in 2 hours !

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Not sure but wasnt it in one of the uncut interviews!

I remember a "round trip ticket" being mentioned by Mark but not a "one way ticket."

 

[jade32]

Dylan wasn't sleeping the bedroom. He was sleeping on the couch in the living room. MR couldn't have possibly missed seeing him-it's a small space, and there is no separation between living room and kitchen. It is known what MR was doing during his errands. I don't think MR owned a boat (although I haven't heard anything either way).

thank you for answering some of my questions! So Dylan was asleep on the couch? If I'm not mistaken I recall that MR went out early for his errands. Why would Dylan be on the couch instead of his bed? Did they do a search with cadaver dogs inside the house?

 

[Ten-96]

I agree. I think that the context of the mention of the r/t ticket led to the assumption that this time the ticket was not r/t. However, to the best of my knowledge that was not explicit.

eta: sorry - that was supposed to be a reply to Ranch.

 

[TxLady2]

Yup. She was married to Mike Hall before she married MR. And I think MR harbors a lot of anger towards MH still, imo. I think this is a very important underlying trigger of his anger.

MH is very successful and just remodeled their beautiful home, that Elaine lives in with MH and Mark's sons. I think it tore MR apart.

Respectfully.... I have not seen anything indicating that he has any anger or hostility regarding ER's relationship with MH. Can you point me to a link that is not just speculation? I know it's a matter of interpretation, but I just don't see it.

And what on earth does MH's success with his business and his beautiful new home have to do with this case? Is that the main reason people think Mark is jealous? The few things I've heard from Mark about ER that was at all negative, just relates to her accusations against him. I don't think I've ever heard him mention the fiance at all... maybe I missed that.

I keep seeing it mentioned that Mark is angry because Elaine moved on with her life. Congratulations to her and I wish her the best, but IMO, I look at it like this... she didn't move ON, she moved BACK. Nothing wrong with that except that I have to wonder why they divorced in the first place. I just don't see why it's necessary to keep bringing up her pending marriage, since it doesn't relate to Dylan's disappearance at all. Neither one of them had anything to do with Dylan being missing, so why keep throwing that out there? It just makes it seem like people are thumbing their noses at Mark. Maybe he's chosen to stay single because he wants to be.

JMO, MOO, etc. etc.

 

[jjenny]

thank you for answering some of my questions! So Dylan was asleep on the couch? If I'm not mistaken I recall that MR went out early for his errands. Why would Dylan be on the couch instead of his bed? Did they do a search with cadaver dogs inside the house?

We don't know why Dylan would be on the couch instead of bed. MR claims Dylan was sleeping on the couch in the living room.
Don't know about cadaver dogs either.

 

[Eileen730]

A three hour flight? How can that be? I can fly from Dallas to Florida in 2 hours !

I fly from New Jersey to florida in 2 hrs!

 

[mmmagique]

Respectfully.... I have not seen anything indicating that he has any anger or hostility regarding ER's relationship with MH. Can you point me to a link that is not just speculation? I know it's a matter of interpretation, but I just don't see it.

And what on earth does MH's success with his business and his beautiful new home have to do with this case? Is that the main reason people think Mark is jealous? The few things I've heard from Mark about ER that was at all negative, just relates to her accusations against him. I don't think I've ever heard him mention the fiance at all... maybe I missed that.

I keep seeing it mentioned that Mark is angry because Elaine moved on with her life. Congratulations to her and I wish her the best, but IMO, I look at it like this... she didn't move ON, she moved BACK. Nothing wrong with that except that I have to wonder why they divorced in the first place. I just don't see why it's necessary to keep bringing up her pending marriage, since it doesn't relate to Dylan's disappearance at all. Neither one of them had anything to do with Dylan being missing, so why keep throwing that out there? It just makes it seem like people are thumbing their noses at Mark. Maybe he's chosen to stay single because he wants to be.

JMO, MOO, etc. etc.

When we're young and inexperienced, if your husband says he doesn't care for the soup you've spent all day preparing, you may think he's an ogre, and wonder what you ever did to end up with him.

Some believe the grass is greener elsewhere, and then when they get elsewhere, they may realize that they are actually now :jail: in a very bad situation, and look back on the past with fondness and regret.

You don't always leave a marriage because you don't love the other person, but because for whatever reason, you can't get along.

Sometimes we have to grow back into our relationships.

Sometimes we come to realize that it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

Sometimes the stars align just right, and we're given second chances.

I sure hope Dylan gets his second chance.

ETA I took out the other quotes that mysteriously appeared in my answer...

 

[Eileen730]

We don't know why Dylan would be on the couch instead of bed. MR claims Dylan was sleeping on the couch in the living room.
Don't know about cadaver dogs either.

Im thinking there is only one TV possibly so he would park himself on the couch. But I dont think he was there this time! JMO

 

[otto]

It's in NG 12/3 -

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.

Thank you. I'm starting to get a picture of a very independent 13 year old with parents that were not all that concerned about him - parents that trusted him to make good decisions. That is, they normally trusted that all was well, so if he did not come home at night and did not phone to update them on his plans, no one was concerned.

That fits well with dad not being concerned when he came home from errands and Dylan wasn't home. That also fits well with Dylan taking things into his own hands when he wanted to visit at friend at maybe 8 AM.

 

[otto]

Truer words were never spoken. 13 is on the fence between boy and adult and it's also when hormones make them the smelliest creatures on earth and it seems to take a while for them to realize ' hey i dont smell too good' and also ' hey i'd like to smell good before i talk to suzy q at school today' . There is a definite grey area where their olfactory senses do not seem to recognize their own stench ! Love this post !
Once they do get the hint, they begin showering twice a day sometimes, but was Dylan ahead or behind the hygiene curve?

I think he was behind if he was wearing the same clothes for two or three days ... possibly sleeping in his clothes so he was ready to go to the airport, wearing his clothes during the flight, sleeping in those same clothes after arriving at dad's place and possibly still wearing the same clothes that day.

 

[jjenny]

Thank you. I'm starting to get a picture of a very independent 13 year old with parents that were not all that concerned about him - parents that trusted him to make good decisions. That is, they normally trusted that all was well, so if he did not come home at night and did not phone to update them on his plans, no one was concerned.

That fits well with dad not being concerned when he came home from errands and Dylan wasn't home. That also fits well with Dylan taking things into his own hands when he wanted to visit at friend at maybe 8 AM.

Then how do you explain MR claiming he monitors what Dylan does and where he is at? But he shows home after his errands, Dylan is not there, Dylan did not answer text messages all morning. What does MR do? Takes a nap, or so he says.