CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[Eileen730]

Per dad's interview, he assumed that Dylan was visiting a friend nearby. When he woke up at 2:30 and Dylan still wasn't home, he became concerned. I'm not claiming that Dylan's parents let him run wild, I'm looking at what we know.

His mother said that he visited friends and sometimes didn't touch base until the next morning. His father said that he had a history of hitch hiking (that he was unaware of until the disappearance). That sounds like an independent child whose parents trusted him to make good decisions.

It's not uncommon for a couple of hours to pass between the last time a teenage child was seen and a missing person's report. In this case, dad assumed that Dylan was nearby and it wouldn't have crossed his mind that Dylan had hitch hiked. 2-3 hours passed and then the alarms went off in his head.

But you go LOOK for that child you dont take a nap!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That child made plans to meet his friend at 6 30 That is one FACT we DO know!
Everything else is what DAD said.

After reading Dylans text messages sent to R he was DESPERATE to get there!

All JMO

I think that Dylan was so desperate to reach his friends that he may have resorted to hitchhiking in order to reach them. MOO.

 

[otto]

Well I do see where you got that time and it's including a layover of 1 hr 40 minutes. So plus boarding and departing 2 full times, the actual flight if it were non stop I would think is much less than one hour. But you are in essence right, he spent at least 3 or more hours ' travelling' . So stupid a flight that close has to fly to ' wherever ' and stop on the way !

I cannot even believe how stupid it is to fly that route and have a layover at LAX or DFW ...... I hate flying

That's what I found too ... 3 hours of flight travel is the shortest I could find.

 

[cluciano63]

There are some direct flights, which means the passenger does not have to change planes. But I have not been able to find any non-stop flights.

 

[otto]

But you go LOOK for that child you dont take a nap!

I think that depends on the child and the parent. It sounds like Dylan would hang out with friends and touch base at some point, but not necessarily right away. Maybe dad assumed that he slept until 10, that he wandered down the street to visit a friend at 11, that he would be home for lunch around 1 ... all reasonable ... but at 2:30, he knew that he had to track Dylan down ... and that's exactly what he tried to do.

 

[asyousay]

I think that Dylan was so desperate to reach his friends that he may have resorted to hitchhiking in order to reach them. MOO.

And yet slept in ?!

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.wfaa.com/news/daybreak/Talking-to-teens-191835991.html?c=n&fb=y&can=n

Teens talking about the difficulties of mom remarrying and how it affects them
Slightly OT but not really !

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Why was Dylan getting up at 6 AM anyway? I know it was to see his friend, but who gets up that early when they don't have to; like for school, work, or an early flight? Also, if one of my friends ever told me they would be at my house around 6 AM...I would say, "Is this some kind of sick joke?"

And he slept in later than he was planning on getting up...right....so it doesn't really seem that he *liked* getting up that early.

(BTW, I don't mean this in a ~suspicious way. Just saying that Dylan seems like quite the early bird).

 

[asyousay]

Why was Dylan getting up at 6 AM anyway? I know it was to see his friend, but who gets up that early when they don't have to; like for school, work, or an early flight? Also, if one of my friends ever told me they would be at my house around 6 AM...I would say, "Is this some kind of sick joke?"

And he slept in later than he was planning on getting up...right....so it doesn't really seem that he *liked* getting up that early.

(BTW, I don't mean this in a ~suspicious way. Just saying that Dylan seems like quite the early bird).

It was 6:30am at R's house and he wanted to see his friend and I assume he was disappointed he couldn't visit the night before so made plans as soon as possible . Which is why I do not believe he slept in as he was simply to eager to hook up with R the following morning .

 

[scorekeeper]

What about when Mark is talking about how it's just him and Dylan; no people runnning in and out of the house; it sounded like he kept a tight rein on Dylan when he was there. I am on my way out so I will have to find it in the transcript.

If Dylan was abducted while he was hitch-hiking with everything plus his fishing pole, does it make sense that LE did not see the need to release the Walmart video so that everyone could see his mannerisms and to get his picture out there even more and immediately? Or to at least show those around him? There may be clues there that could lead to tips.

I think they have not released the tapes because of Mark and whatever "state" he was in and perhaps what he was buying.....

Until LE tells me Mark has been ruled out; he's at the top of my list.

JMO/MOO

Azgrandma, thank yu so much for being a part of WS. Prayers to you and your family. I hope you always feel welcome here.....

 

[Ghostwheel]

Per dad's interview, he assumed that Dylan was visiting a friend nearby. When he woke up at 2:30 and Dylan still wasn't home, he became concerned. I'm not claiming that Dylan's parents let him run wild, I'm looking at what we know.

His mother said that he visited friends and sometimes didn't touch base until the next morning. His father said that he had a history of hitch hiking (that he was unaware of until the disappearance). That sounds like an independent child whose parents trusted him to make good decisions.

It's not uncommon for a couple of hours to pass between the last time a teenage child was seen and a missing person's report. In this case, dad assumed that Dylan was nearby and it wouldn't have crossed his mind that Dylan had hitch hiked. 2-3 hours passed and then the alarms went off in his head.

Interesting that you and I have such a different take on this.

From the quote from ER of "he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night", you get that he would not touch base, and I see exactly the opposite, that he WOULD touch base and say which house he was at that night, not the next morning.

From the statement of a friend that he got a ride home home for the entire group by sticking his thumb out one time (not multiple times, just one), but his father SAYING he had a history (which has not been substantiated) to you makes him a habitual hitchhiker. History to me is "An established record or pattern of behavior", not a one time event. And grabbing a ride in the snow with your buddies is considerably different than picking up a ride by yourself when you know your ride is coming. (not to say that it couldn't happen, just that there was no history of that)

And while I do agree that it's not uncommon for a couple of hours to pass between the last time a teenage child was seen and a missing person's report, I find it a little uncommon that a father knows his son wants to visit friends in another area, that he is supposed to be the ride, and thinks nothing that his son is not sitting there waiting, chomping at the bit to get his ride. I trust my son to make good choices, but I'd still check to see where he went if I knew I was supposed to drive him somewhere. Otherwise, I would be shirking my responsibility. To just go, "Oh, well he's not here, now I don't have to drive him so I'll take a nap." would not be on my particular radarscope. But that may be because I have a 13 year old who behaves a certain way and I would know what would be odd for him.

It's so weird that two people can read the same thing and get two different impressions out of it, but there you go.

 

[Money Girl]

It was 6:30am at R's house and he wanted to see his friend and I assume he was disappointed he couldn't visit the night before so made plans as soon as possible . Which is why I do not believe he slept in as he was simply to eager to hook up with R the following morning .

It was my understanding that Dylan would need to get up at 6:30 in order to get ready for MR's departure time of about 7:30 so that MR could keep his appointments.

 

[TxJan1971]

What about when Mark is talking about how it's just him and Dylan; no people runnning in and out of the house; it sounded like he kept a tight rein on Dylan when he was there. I am on my way out so I will have to find it in the transcript.

If Dylan was abducted while he was hitch-hiking with everything plus his fishing pole, does it make sense that LE did not see the need to release the Walmart video so that everyone could see his mannerisms and to get his picture out there even more and immediately? Or to at least show those around him? There may be clues there that could lead to tips.

I think they have not released the tapes because of Mark and whatever "state" he was in and perhaps what he was buying.....

Until LE tells me Mark has been ruled out; he's at the top of my list.

JMO/MOO

Azgrandma, thank yu so much for being a part of WS. Prayers to you and your family. I hope you always feel welcome here.....

BBM
MR:
So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

MR:
All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time.

From the MR interview with MB

 

[asyousay]

It was my understanding that Dylan would need to get up at 6:30 in order to get ready for MR's departure time of about 7:30 so that MR could keep his appointments.

Look at the texts to R and I am sure Dylan states 6:30am at R's house .

 

[deoneta]

And yet slept in ?!

One minute it's Dylan was so tired and maybe it wasn't really a priority for him to get up and see his friends. Then he's so desperate to see them that he doesn't even take time to call anyone or leave a note and sets out in cold weather with all his possessions including a fishing pole. Which one is it? I don't think it's either, but that's JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

And yet slept in ?!

Yes. And after he got up, he left to go see his friends. MOO.

 

[otto]

And yet slept in ?!

He was up until 4 AM the night before. Maybe one of the verified insiders can tell us what time his flight was scheduled to leave. Based on the time he arrived and assuming that his flight was delayed only one hour, I would expect that he had to be up by at least 10 AM to get ready (shower, dress, pack, eat) and go to the airport. I would think that he was very tired after a day of travel and watching movies until 10:30.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I think that depends on the child and the parent. It sounds like Dylan would hang out with friends and touch base at some point, but not necessarily right away. Maybe dad assumed that he slept until 10, that he wandered down the street to visit a friend at 11, that he would be home for lunch around 1 ... all reasonable ... but at 2:30, he knew that he had to track Dylan down ... and that's exactly what he tried to do.

There was no "wandering down the street to visit a friend". I believe you've created the map showing dad's location. It isn't a "street". It is miles away from his friend's house.
Considering dad was texting him (with NO response) that morning and returned to no Dylan, no backpack, everything gone and decides to take a nap doesn't indicate a father who had much concern about his son...as he continually loves to claim about himself. It was after 3 pm before dad even drives to the friend's house (in Vallecito...not where dad expected him to go, but another friend) and then continued on to Bayfield. He went DIRECTLY to N's house even though Dylan was planning to visit at R's house, which is also hinky to me. Good guess? Lucky?

 

[cluciano63]

Mark also made it sound like Dylan did many dangerous things, i.e that could have landed him in the river, liked to hang at a camp where there may be an RSO, etc.

I am not taking anything MR has said about Dylan as truth or fact. I think he distorts everything, to either justify his nap, or possibly hide guilt, or just to disagree with ER.

As far as Dylan wanting to go ASAP to see R, R certainly seemed open and welcoming, and did not harass him about the time being so early.

I tend to believe ER when she says Dylan would not have set out on foot. He would have called her via landline, IMO, if his phone was useless. Most mothers have the numbers of their kid's friends or their parents. Surely he knows or can figure out how to find one phone number to dial. But if not, I believe he would wait for his father.

All JMO, but even if MR is innocent, he comes off as a shady character to me, and so for just deciding who to believe, for myself, I have always gone with ER. She has nothing to justify or explain about Dylan being missing. Dylan was on Dad's watch and he feels that acutely, IMO, and is defensive. Also, I believe AzGrandma 100% as she really held back her personal emotions for the most part, until the frustration became overwhelming.

 

[Ghostwheel]

BBM
MR:
So, when he wants to spend time with his friends I get that – I understand that. I have no problem with that.

MR:
All I need to know is that he’s safe and where he’s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it’s likely I’ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he’s at where he says he’s at. Those things were important to me. You know… when he’s with me – it’s me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know… I know those are important to him, but … you know… I monitor what he does, where he’s at. You know… it’s just me and him. There’s not people coming and going in my life ‘cos everything I focus on is him and us being together spending that time.

From the MR interview with MB

BBM. See, that is what I don't get. He says he wants to know where he's at and that he monitors what Dylan does, yet he doesn't check when he gets home and Dylan is not there, no message or note? Those two don't jibe and that's why I think there is something more here. Not necessarily that Mark physically hurt Dylan, but that there may have been a major disagreement (more like blow-up) that might have contributed to Dylan disappearing. Still fence sitting here, because the way Mark does not meet interviewers eyes well, the things that he talks around, the inconsistencies with what he says and what he did, those make me go hmmmm. Like there is an unspoken truth that might shed light on a possible why this happened.