CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[asyousay]

He was up until 4 AM the night before. Maybe one of the verified insiders can tell us what time his flight was scheduled to leave. Based on the time he arrived and assuming that his flight was only one hour, I would expect that he had to be up by at least 10 AM to get ready (shower, dress, pack, eat) and go to the airport. I would think that he was very tired after a day of travel and watching movies until 10:30.

And so that still left him with 6/7 hours sleep and from all accounts from his friends he was a hyper kid and was always the last one going ( paraphrasing as i cant remember the exact quote) . He was a young active 13 year old who could of rolled out of bed and got a lift to his friends house, yet i am meant to believe he was simply to tired and slept in.

 

[otto]

What about when Mark is talking about how it's just him and Dylan; no people runnning in and out of the house; it sounded like he kept a tight rein on Dylan when he was there. I am on my way out so I will have to find it in the transcript.

If Dylan was abducted while he was hitch-hiking with everything plus his fishing pole, does it make sense that LE did not see the need to release the Walmart video so that everyone could see his mannerisms and to get his picture out there even more and immediately? Or to at least show those around him? There may be clues there that could lead to tips.

I think they have not released the tapes because of Mark and whatever "state" he was in and perhaps what he was buying.....

Until LE tells me Mark has been ruled out; he's at the top of my list.

JMO/MOO

Azgrandma, thank yu so much for being a part of WS. Prayers to you and your family. I hope you always feel welcome here.....

People are not usually ruled out or cleared until there there is evidence of a suspect ... like DNA that doesn't match the popular suspect. It seems that the best that we can hope for during a missing person's investigation is a statement from investigators that the parents are not considered to be suspects. We have that in this case.

"La Plata County Sheriff’s investigators are working with the FBI on Dylan’s disappearance. They have searched Mark Redwine's house. He is not considered a suspect, and police have not named any suspect."

http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

Same wording with Jessica Ridgeway's parents ...

"Authorities said previously that Jessica’s parents — Jeremiah Bryant, who lives in Missouri, and Sarah Ridgeway, of Westminster — are not considered suspects."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...sica-ridgeway-article-1.1180605#ixzz2LMlVEPj3

 

[asyousay]

One minute it's Dylan was so tired and maybe it wasn't really a priority for him to get up and see his friends. Then he's so desperate to see them that he doesn't even take time to call anyone or leave a note and sets out in cold weather with all his possessions including a fishing pole. Which one is it? I don't think it's either, but that's JMO.

I know , i am confused by it all. Dylan is too tired to get up and meet friends who he had made plans with . And yet despite having a lift he then treks to his friends- what happened to being tired ?!


ETA - A few extra hours would not make him that energetic!

:moo:

 

[SuziQ]

Here is the article The Cheese posted earlier. It focuses on a subset of child murders - those where the child is abducted or suspected to have been abducted. Interestingly, when compared to murders of children as a whole the stats are quite a bit different.

For instance, page 24 of the PDF shows a table that breaks male child abduction murders down by age band and relationship to the killer. Boys 13-15 were killed by strangers 60% of the time, by friend or acquaintance 40% of the time and 0% of the time by a family member. Remember, this study is specific to children that were reported as abducted or suspected abducted, not all murders in general.

Really worth a read.

IMO, the stats in this report are referring to children who are abducted then murdered. The stats are different for children who are murdered by a parent, significant other or other type of caregiver. These familial crimes are murder from the get go and never an abduction. So a study on abductions doesn't apply here, JMO. Legal custody or others living with are the majority percentage who kill children...period. They usually have legal custody of the child, or living with that person. The easiest, and almost only way for them to explain away a childs absence is to report a child and missing and hope to god LE runs with the runaway or abduction theory. The department of justice has many stats that show who is likely to murder who. And it's still family or close to family.

 

[ShyViolet]

Per dad's interview, he assumed that Dylan was visiting a friend nearby. When he woke up at 2:30 and Dylan still wasn't home, he became concerned. I'm not claiming that Dylan's parents let him run wild, I'm looking at what we know.

His mother said that he visited friends and sometimes didn't touch base until the next morning. His father said that he had a history of hitch hiking (that he was unaware of until the disappearance). That sounds like an independent child whose parents trusted him to make good decisions.

It's not uncommon for a couple of hours to pass between the last time a teenage child was seen and a missing person's report. In this case, dad assumed that Dylan was nearby and it wouldn't have crossed his mind that Dylan had hitch hiked. 2-3 hours passed and then the alarms went off in his head.

BBM. My interpretation of the quote is different than yours.

NG asked if Dylan would text ER to say "goodnight, I am going to sleep now". I understood ER's response to mean that Dylan would text to let her know where he "had landed", but because he stayed up much later (as kids tend to do at sleepovers) he would not text her again to say goodnight, I am going to sleep now, but would text her in the morning.

Just moo, but I highly doubt ER would be able to get away with the kind of parenting (or lack of parenting) that would allow for having no idea where her 13 year old son was sleeping at night, particularly when, from the sounds of it, there were ongoing custody issues.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Re-watched the video and this stood out...

Who rearranges the furniture while their child is missing? (at 13:20)
Specifically the last room you saw them in?

KUSA - Dylan Redwine - Dad's uncut interview - YouTube

/moo
//I'm about 20 pages behind so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

I believe Billy Dunn did also:rocker:

 

[Tennlyn]

People are not usually ruled out or cleared until there there is evidence of a suspect ... like DNA that doesn't match the popular suspect. It seems that the best that we can hope for during a missing person's investigation is a statement from investigators that the parents are not considered to be suspects. We have that in this case.

"La Plata County Sheriff’s investigators are working with the FBI on Dylan’s disappearance. They have searched Mark Redwine's house. He is not considered a suspect, and police have not named any suspect."

http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

Same wording with Jessica Ridgeway's parents ...

"Authorities said previously that Jessica’s parents — Jeremiah Bryant, who lives in Missouri, and Sarah Ridgeway, of Westminster — are not considered suspects."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...sica-ridgeway-article-1.1180605#ixzz2LMlVEPj3

The reporter paraphrased police in that article. All the direct quotes that I've seen from LE use language such as "We are not calling Mark Redwine a suspect." That is far far different than saying he's not a suspect.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/investigators-search-home-missing-colo-boys-father/story?id=17840755

If someone has a direct quote from LE saying MR isn't a suspect, I'd love to see it!

 

[otto]

Interesting that you and I have such a different take on this.

From the quote from ER of "he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night", you get that he would not touch base, and I see exactly the opposite, that he WOULD touch base and say which house he was at that night, not the next morning.

From the statement of a friend that he got a ride home home for the entire group by sticking his thumb out one time (not multiple times, just one), but his father SAYING he had a history (which has not been substantiated) to you makes him a habitual hitchhiker. History to me is "An established record or pattern of behavior", not a one time event. And grabbing a ride in the snow with your buddies is considerably different than picking up a ride by yourself when you know your ride is coming. (not to say that it couldn't happen, just that there was no history of that)

And while I do agree that it's not uncommon for a couple of hours to pass between the last time a teenage child was seen and a missing person's report, I find it a little uncommon that a father knows his son wants to visit friends in another area, that he is supposed to be the ride, and thinks nothing that his son is not sitting there waiting, chomping at the bit to get his ride. I trust my son to make good choices, but I'd still check to see where he went if I knew I was supposed to drive him somewhere. Otherwise, I would be shirking my responsibility. To just go, "Oh, well he's not here, now I don't have to drive him so I'll take a nap." would not be on my particular radarscope. But that may be because I have a 13 year old who behaves a certain way and I would know what would be odd for him.

It's so weird that two people can read the same thing and get two different impressions out of it, but there you go.

From the below comment from mom to NG, I understand when Dylan did not come home at night, sometimes he texted at night, and sometimes he didn't text until the following morning.

Originally Posted by The Cheese
It's in NG 12/3 -

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.

 

[NC Analyzer]

IMO, the stats in this report are referring to children who are abducted then murdered. The stats are different for children who are murdered by a parent, significant other or other type of caregiver. These familial crimes are murder from the get go and never an abduction. So a study on abductions doesn't apply here, JMO. Legal custody or others living with are the majority percentage who kill children...period. They usually have legal custody of the child, or living with that person. The easiest, and almost only way for them to explain away a childs absence is to report a child and missing and hope to god LE runs with the runaway or abduction theory. The department of justice has many stats that show who is likely to murder who. And it's still family or close to family.

Absolutely. Overwhelming evidence and prisons full of parents who have murdered their children. But then, who am I...I don't know anything. :blushing:

 

[otto]

There was no "wandering down the street to visit a friend". I believe you've created the map showing dad's location. It isn't a "street". It is miles away from his friend's house.
Considering dad was texting him (with NO response) that morning and returned to no Dylan, no backpack, everything gone and decides to take a nap doesn't indicate a father who had much concern about his son...as he continually loves to claim about himself. It was after 3 pm before dad even drives to the friend's house (in Vallecito...not where dad expected him to go, but another friend) and then continued on to Bayfield. He went DIRECTLY to N's house even though Dylan was planning to visit at R's house, which is also hinky to me. Good guess? Lucky?

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

One minute it's Dylan was so tired and maybe it wasn't really a priority for him to get up and see his friends. Then he's so desperate to see them that he doesn't even take time to call anyone or leave a note and sets out in cold weather with all his possessions including a fishing pole. Which one is it? I don't think it's either, but that's JMO.

I think that it was always important for Dylan to see his friends but he overslept and missed a ride from his father.

I don't know for a fact that Dylan took the fishing pole. I only know that when Mark looked for it he couldn't find it. When and how it went missing I also don't know. MOO.

 

[otto]

And so that still left him with 6/7 hours sleep and from all accounts from his friends he was a hyper kid and was always the last one going ( paraphrasing as i cant remember the exact quote) . He was a young active 13 year old who could of rolled out of bed and got a lift to his friends house, yet i am meant to believe he was simply to tired and slept in.

Teenagers need 10 hours of sleep a night, so if Dylan was managing on 6 hours a night, it was going to catch up with him.

 

[NC Analyzer]

From the below comment from mom to NG, I understand when Dylan did not come home at night, sometimes he texted at night, and sometimes he didn't text until the following morning.

Originally Posted by The Cheese
It's in NG 12/3 -

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.

So he hangs out with his friends. Mom knew where he was if he stayed the night. He often stayed up late so he didn't always text her until the next morning. So? Sounds like most kids. Spend the night with a friend, mom knows where to find him. No worries. He lets her know the next day that he's awake and probably headed out again somewhere with his buddies. Not a problem for most parents.

 

[findDylan]

I think there's a difference between monitoring a 2 year old and monitoring a 13 year old. If a 13 year has the habit of going to visit a nearby friend or walking along the river, as dad said, then for him to be gone for a couple of hours isn't a big concern. Furthermore, it sounds like both parents gave Dylan a lot of freedom. Dad became concerned at 2:30 and immediately started searching for Dylan ... even driving to Bayfield and knowing where to find Ryan in order to ask about Dylan.

BBM.. How did MR know where to find R? He wasn't at his grandmas, where Dylan was going to go. R was else where in town. A place that R didn't go to until 10:30 ( I think the time is right). R sent a text to Dylan that is where they were at, but Dylan's cell wasn't working by then so he didn't get the text.

 

[Tennlyn]

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

BBM

Which is funny because in an earlier interview Mark did, he said that friend said he hadn't seen Dylan. Oops! Guess he forgot to keep his stories straight! :moo::moo::moo:

 

[SCHMAE]

Question for all you long term sleuthers :
Were baby Lisa's parents, either one, ever considered POI's ? tia

 

[The Cheese]

People are not usually ruled out or cleared until there there is evidence of a suspect ... like DNA that doesn't match the popular suspect. It seems that the best that we can hope for during a missing person's investigation is a statement from investigators that the parents are not considered to be suspects. We have that in this case.

"La Plata County Sheriff’s investigators are working with the FBI on Dylan’s disappearance. They have searched Mark Redwine's house. He is not considered a suspect, and police have not named any suspect."

http://news.gcu.edu/2012/12/search-continues-for-13-year-old-brother-of-gcu-enrollment-counselor/

Respectfully snipped, otto, and my bold.

For the sake of accuracy - whereas LE have stated that Mark is not considered a suspect, they have never stated that Elaine (or anyone else) is not a suspect. Elaine stated herself in the uncut interview that she has not yet been cleared.

So right now the only person we know is not considered a suspect per LE is Mark.

:twocents:

 

[otto]

I know , i am confused by it all. Dylan is too tired to get up and meet friends who he had made plans with . And yet despite having a lift he then treks to his friends- what happened to being tired ?!


ETA - A few extra hours would not make him that energetic!

:moo:

I get the impression that you don't believe that Dylan could have been tired at 6-7 AM after not sleeping enough the night before and a long day of flight and road travel.

 

[SuziQ]

Absolutely. Overwhelming evidence and prisons full of parents who have murdered their children. But then, who am I...I don't know anything. :blushing:

I'm leaving my house in a few and did not have time to find the DOJ reports. So I was going to link WS for reference. Then I thought I better not because it would come across as too snarky. Seriously though, all one has to do is read WS for any amount of time, and you quickly see a pattern of who kills who and why they did it. No studies or stats needed.

 

[deoneta]

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

A few minutes by car perhaps, but 4 miles is good distance for a walk, especially without checking to see if anyone was even home. All MOO