CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[cluciano63]

I think that it was always important for Dylan to see his friends but he overslept and missed a ride from his father.

I don't know for a fact that Dylan took the fishing pole. I only know that when Mark looked for it he couldn't find it. When and how it went missing I also don't know. MOO.

I don't know for a fact that he took his backpack either, just that it is missing.

 

[otto]

Respectfully snipped, otto, and my bold.

For the sake of accuracy - whereas LE have stated that Mark is not considered a suspect, they have never stated that Elaine (or anyone else) is not a suspect. Elaine stated herself in the uncut interview that she has not yet been cleared.

So right now the only person we know is not considered a suspect per LE is Mark.

:twocents:

Thank you. "Not considered a suspect" is a very common statement from police after a parent has been interviewed, scrutinized and more or less excluded regarding the disappearance of a child. We cannot hope for any stronger statement until the person responsible is charged.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Teenagers need 10 hours of sleep a night, so if Dylan was managing on 6 hours a night, it was going to catch up with him.

You are making a lot of assumptions and generalizations about kids. It might be recommended by the Pediatric community, but I'm here to tell you there are a lot of kids who do just fine on less than the "recommended" daily allowance of sleep....just as there are a lot of adults who do just fine on less than the recommended 8 hours of sleep. Not everyone fits into a stereotypical model.

 

[otto]

A few minutes by car perhaps, but 4 miles is good distance for a walk, especially without checking to see if anyone was even home. All MOO

I don't understand. How would dad know that no one was home without going to the house?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't know for a fact that he took his backpack either, just that it is missing.

That's true. But we know that Dylan had it when he arrived at the airport. The fishing pole could have disappeared long before Dylan arrived and could be totally unrelated to this case. MOO.

 

[The Cheese]

IMO, the stats in this report are referring to children who are abducted then murdered. The stats are different for children who are murdered by a parent, significant other or other type of caregiver. These familial crimes are murder from the get go and never an abduction. So a study on abductions doesn't apply here, JMO. Legal custody or others living with are the majority percentage who kill children...period. They usually have legal custody of the child, or living with that person. The easiest, and almost only way for them to explain away a childs absence is to report a child and missing and hope to god LE runs with the runaway or abduction theory. The department of justice has many stats that show who is likely to murder who. And it's still family or close to family.

Again, those are not the stats I posted about filicide, which I've ended up posting twice yesterday because of the confusion.

Here it is again for the third time, and if you have other statistics on paternal filicide, I'd appreciate it if you'd share them. It's so rare in the US, it's very hard to find info on it.

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Murder of children by their parents is very rare - 250 to 300 cases per year according to the FBI.

Murder of children by their father is even more rare - of those 250 - 300 cases per year, 50% are by the mother, and the other 50% are by the father and all other family members combined.

So paternal filicide - murder of a child by their father - less than 125 to 150 cases per year.

Rather than give one specific link, I'll just recommend looking up forensic psychiatrist Philip Resnick for anyone seeking more info. He seems to be the leading expert on filicide in the US. The reason I'm not giving a specific link is because you have to poke through his writings to get the info on paternal filicide because it's mostly about maternal filicide. Info on paternal filicide is scattered in bits and pieces. There's just not much on it, because it's so rare.

Comparison on numbers - info from NCMEC statistics -

Number of children abducted per year -

Family abductions - 200,000 children
Non-family abductions - 58,000 children

 

[NC Analyzer]

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

Dad "says" a lot of things. He also changes up a lot of things he's said previously when there is a new interview. We've watched dad from the beginning of this case. Bottom line, Dylan's friend T wasn't "a few minutes away" and dad said NOTHING about checking the river...which might have been a good thing considering his statement.

 

[deoneta]

I don't understand. How would dad know that no one was home without going to the house?

I'm not talking about Dad. I'm talking about Dylan walking four miles to see his Vallecito friend without checking to see if he was even home.

 

[findDylan]

Dad said that Dylan had a friend that lived a few minutes away and that is the first place he checked. When no one was home, he thought that Dylan and the friend may have gone to the river.

MR was first quoted as saying that the friend didn't see Dylan. Then changed it to no one was home. MR can't have it both ways. It just doesn't work.

 

[Ghostwheel]

From the below comment from mom to NG, I understand when Dylan did not come home at night, sometimes he texted at night, and sometimes he didn't text until the following morning.

Originally Posted by The Cheese
It's in NG 12/3 -

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?

REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.

You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.

I see the words "he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night." Not "the night before", but "that night", so I see that he would text the night he was staying.

I'm guessing you see the words "so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up" and think he sometimes didn't text until morning, but I see, with the addition of the words "You know, he often did stay up later" that he did not text to say "goodnight" since he was up later, because that is the question that was asked. (it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night)

Again, interpretations area funny thing, based on everyone's own personal experience.

 

[Ronald99]

He had an appointment at 6:30 AM and he slept in. His dad spent an hour trying to get him up and he probably thought that he could keep sleeping and his dad would wait ... but that didn't happen because his dad had an appointment. When his dad left, he probably snapped out of it, realized that he was late, grabbed a bowl of cereal and his backpack and headed to the highway to hitch a ride.

The Father never had an appointment, The Father said he wanted to get up at 6:30 am so he could be at the company office at or around 7:30 am to settle a payroll issue. It was never an appointment.

He had an appointment later that morning to see his Divorce Attorney concerning unknow discussions. Days prior Dylan's Mother was granted Full custody.

The text messages the prior night between Dylan and Ryan discuss Dylan arriving at Ryan's Grandmas house at 6:30 am. The Father would have needed to awaken around 5:30 am to get ready, then drive Dylan to be dropped off at Ryan's Grandmas house. So this would appear to be another contradiction concerning timelines.

 

[asyousay]

I get the impression that you don't believe that Dylan could have been tired at 6-7 AM after not sleeping enough the night before and a long day of flight and road travel.

No , i believe it could of happened ( i think its doubtful as all Dylan had to do was roll out of bed and get into a car) but then i do not believe for a second that he woke up and then never contacted R .


IMO - The first thing Dylan would of done if he slept in was text or ring R that morning. I absolutely believe this as Dylan may of been a teenager but its just logical sense IMO .

 

[SCHMAE]

You are making a lot of assumptions and generalizations about kids. It might be recommended by the Pediatric community, but I'm here to tell you there are a lot of kids who do just fine on less than the "recommended" daily allowance of sleep....just as there are a lot of adults who do just fine on less than the recommended 8 hours of sleep. Not everyone fits into a stereotypical model.

I have two teens and they are POLAR opposites on sleep so I would not begin to guess how Dylan was. One of mine can go on a few hrs a night for days on end, but it does catch up to him and he drops for a super long sleep at some point. My other would sleep 14 hrs a day if no one stopped her from it !

It is the younger one who is a sleepaholic if that matters.

 

[otto]

So he hangs out with his friends. Mom knew where he was if he stayed the night. He often stayed up late so he didn't always text her until the next morning. So? Sounds like most kids. Spend the night with a friend, mom knows where to find him. No worries. He lets her know the next day that he's awake and probably headed out again somewhere with his buddies. Not a problem for most parents.

It also sounds like a fairly independent child whose parents trusted that he would make good decisions ... so they didn't need him to check in regularly or when he didn't come home at night.

 

[findDylan]

You are making a lot of assumptions and generalizations about kids. It might be recommended by the Pediatric community, but I'm here to tell you there are a lot of kids who do just fine on less than the "recommended" daily allowance of sleep....just as there are a lot of adults who do just fine on less than the recommended 8 hours of sleep. Not everyone fits into a stereotypical model.

Thank you!!! I couldn't figure out a nice way to say it. (the bolded part)

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Question for all you long term sleuthers :
Were baby Lisa's parents, either one, ever considered POI's ? tia

Named as POI's by LE, no. Considered to be POI's by members of the public, yes.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Statistically very few cases, especially by fathers. But I would agree that even one murder of a child by anyone is too many.

1 out of every 33 homicides is a parent killing their own child. It is more likely that your spouse is going to kill your child than for a stranger to kill your child. Studies show ranges between 40% and 50% where the fathers did it.

 

[cluciano63]

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/ar...-ongoing-parents-appear-on-dr-phil-this-week/

I think this is a news link-not sure.

It claims the Dr. Phil show airs tomorrow, which can't be right, IMO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

It also sounds like a fairly independent child whose parents trusted that he would make good decisions ... so they didn't need him to check in regularly or when he didn't come home at night.

That is absolutely, patently, a FALSE statement. Neither parent has ever been considered negligent in any way regarding Dylan's supervision. I don't even know why or how you are assuming this. :banghead:
This is NOT a child who ran the streets, did as he pleased or lacked parental supervision.

 

[deoneta]

That's true. But we know that Dylan had it when he arrived at the airport. The fishing pole could have disappeared long before Dylan arrived and could be totally unrelated to this case. MOO.

MR is the one who honed in on the fishing pole the first day. He even later criticized LE for not checking the lake earlier since they knew from day one the pole was missing. A fishing pole wouldn't just disappear on it's own. If MR loaned it out, he would know. A burglar is unlikely to rob a residence and only take one fishing rod. All MOO