CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[dlc]

5:00 News Channel 9:

@Paulsy01 @9NEWS Both did. Mom says she passed. Dad says detectives told him his was inconclusive. He's says he's willing to retake it.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2LY8pHvcH.koat.com/news/new-mexico/More-than-300-people-search-for-Dylan-Redwine/-/9153762/17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2LY8pHvcH

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, was the last one to see his son. Redwine took a lie detector test and it was found inconclusive

Thank you. I have bolded it for those looking for that information. It seems like we go over some of these statements over and over (IMO). I wonder if there's anyway to have a list of "knowns" for people to refer to?

Thanks again for finding link.

 

[dlc]

Why couldn't someone take a flashlight and look for footprints? I would think you could look for footprints (or a lost child) any time, day or night, with the proper equipment.

What in the world would make you think (or accuse) a "friend" of ER's of making stuff up? Do you have any evidence of this? (proof?)

I also find it impossible to believe that there is absolutely no area in/around MR's home that is not conducive to footprints. I'm trying to think of a place like that...and the only things I can come up with are parking lots and amusement parks.

I agree, a flashlight would be one logical way. I have looked at the videos provided of the area surrounding MR's home, and I also agree that there are places where footprints would be a possibility. And I also don't get this accusing people of making stuff up. I guess I just totally agree with this post!

IMO, JMO

 

[dlc]

Of course she could have a spot light or a flashlight and look, BUT by the time she got there you had LE there (and their cars/parking) + La Plata SAR and their dogs (and their cars/parking). All those people and dogs were walking all over that area first. All that activity messes up any footprint in and around MR house and street. Further down 500 towards the lake has many areas with outcroppings of sandy/loamy soil which would hold footprints well, IMO. The lake area is really sandy in many, many long stretches of land.

I put "friends" in quotes for a reason. Most don't live in La Plata Co nor know the area thus why first it was said MR lived on a dirt (unpaved) road. Things get blown up and misunderstood on FB and that's why WS considers it rumor per TOS. IMO, the whole "footprint" thing got blown out of proportion/misconstrued, IMO and JMO.

BBM

Really? From what I've seen, and it makes sense since ER lived there so long, many of the people in the "inner circle" seem to be full time (and long time) residents of the area.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Good question!!!!

My response: Only LE knows whether they were truthful or not until such a time they choose to share that information with the general public.

And jumping off your question...

IF LE told the truth to all parties and/or reporters and MR's poly was inconclusive and all others had passed, would that change anyone's thought process?

OR

IF LE told the truth to all parties and/or reporters and MR outright failed the entire poly and all others had passed, would that change anyone's thought process?

Additionally, a question I have for someone who may be more knowledeable about LE standard operating procedures re: polys:

When any person is given a poly and completely fails the major parts of the poly, i.e. would LE have the need or even bother to perform a 2nd poly? I'm not sure how that works in the LE world...

In my opinion, polygraphs are so unreliable that pass, fail or inconclusive means little to me in deciding whether someone is being truthful or deceptive.

 

[SCHMAE]

In my opinion, polygraphs are so unreliable that pass, fail or inconclusive means little to me in deciding whether someone is being truthful or deceptive.

I tend to agree with you on this but so much has been made over his
pass/ fail / inconclusive that I wondered for those who put that in the
red check against MR , if that would matter if he took one and passed.

 

[dlc]

In my opinion, polygraphs are so unreliable that pass, fail or inconclusive means little to me in deciding whether someone is being truthful or deceptive.

BBM


I had always thought that as well, and then I started doing some research on them. From what I gathered, a lot depends on the skill of the administrator and the design of the questions. Either way, they're used extensively throughout all levels of LE and National Security to screen applicants.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM


I had always thought that as well, and then I started doing some research on them. From what I gathered, a lot depends on the skill of the administrator and the design of the questions. Either way, they're used extensively throughout all levels of LE and National Security to screen applicants.

This study by the National Academy of Sciences has this to say.

Polygraph Accuracy. Almost a century of research in scientific psychology and physiology provides little basis for the expectation that a polygraph test could have extremely high accuracy. The physiological responses measured by the polygraph are not uniquely related to deception. That is, the responses measured by the polygraph do not all reflect a single underlying process: a variety of psychological and physiological processes, including some that can be consciously controlled, can affect polygraph measures and test results.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10420&page=212

 

[KateNY]

Someone asked about the search/dogs

Besides K-9 forensics site, there is also Sadie says

She has a cute post( Sadie)

https://www.facebook.com/TheSadiesaysProgram

 

[KateNY]

oops meant to add this link for K-9 Forensics

they do have some posts

http://www.facebook.com/pages/K-9-Forensics/249798878409404?group_id=0

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If DP gave MR another poly and he passed I would lean towards looking into other options more. I realize that poly's are not 100% accurate and honestly don't put a whole lot into an inconclusive one. To me that just means it would be best to repeat it for more accuracy. My understanding was the FBI asked him to take a 2nd one. That may be just rumor. So if he were to fail two different poly's given by two different administrators I would have a tendency to believe it more. If he had 2 inconclusive ones by two different administrators I would have to say hmmm....and if he had 2 passes by two different administrators I would tend to believe that more.

Since the first was inconclusive I would say if he's innocent it would probably be best to take another one. If he's not innocent it's probably not in his best interest. And only HE knows if he's innocent.

I'm sure Dr Phil would offer him one to help him clear his name but he obviously can't force him to take one.

 

[Tennlyn]

If DP gave MR another poly and he passed I would lean towards looking into other options more. I realize that poly's are not 100% accurate and honestly don't put a whole lot into an inconclusive one. To me that just means it would be best to repeat it for more accuracy. My understanding was the FBI asked him to take a 2nd one. That may be just rumor. So if he were to fail two different poly's given by two different administrators I would have a tendency to believe it more. If he had 2 inconclusive ones by two different administrators I would have to say hmmm....and if he had 2 passes by two different administrators I would tend to believe that more.

Since the first was inconclusive I would say if he's innocent it would probably be best to take another one. If he's not innocent it's probably not in his best interest. And only HE knows if he's innocent.

I'm sure Dr Phil would offer him one to help him clear his name but he obviously can't force him to take one.

BBM
Was that in the interview that Elaine & Cory did on the couch? Something that Cory said? Trying to find that link to see.

ETA: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html
This is where I thought it might have been, but Cory doesn't mention the FBI part in this interview.

 

[cluciano63]

I feel kind of bad for the folks on the FB pages who seem to be convinced that being on Dr. Phil is all that was needed and that Dylan will be home soon, safe and well. It is great that they got his name and face on a national program, but I doubt very much that it will bring results. They seem to be obsessed with how many people come to the page. Again, the more eyes the better, but I do not believe Dylan is "out there" waiting to be spotted by the eagle-eyed American public.

If indeed one parent was hiding something (or someone) maybe Dr. Phil could have applied the right kind of pressure to make someone crack, but it does not sound like this happened.

 

[*Lash*]

5:00 News Channel 9:

@Paulsy01 @9NEWS Both did. Mom says she passed. Dad says detectives told him his was inconclusive. He's says he's willing to retake it.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2LY8pHvcH.koat.com/news/new-mexico/More-than-300-people-search-for-Dylan-Redwine/-/9153762/17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2LY8pHvcH

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, was the last one to see his son. Redwine took a lie detector test and it was found inconclusive

Thank you SuperMom!

IIRC, MB did not ask this question in the uncut interview. Why? I find it curious all the MSM reporters that have asked this question, MR declined to answer. Yet, he opened up to MB? I'm just unsure what to think, sitting on the fence.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Why?

<modsnip>

Mickey Shunick disappeared without a trace.
Lisa Pate disappeared without a trace.

A probable serial killer was responsible.

Although I have not recently visited Ali Lowitzer's thread, he is suspected in that one which happens to be Texas and he lived in LA.

Teenage girls are at least twice more likely to be abducted by a stranger than teenage boys.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

BBM
Was that in the interview that Elaine & Cory did on the couch? Something that Cory said? Trying to find that link to see.

ETA: http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html
This is where I thought it might have been, but Cory doesn't mention the FBI part in this interview.

Cory stated this on fb a long while ago IIRC. So take it for what's it's worth. I've heard others mention the same but I don't put much weight into things said by those other than immediate family members.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Last night before I logged off people were discussing DP shows for next week. I looked but could not find any place they were listing next week's schedule. I am wondering this morning if that information was found and if we know when the show will be aired. TIA

I've read Mon Tues, Tues Wed and Wed Thur so it's anyones guess for now. I've seen 2 part episodes where they make you wait a week for part 2 and that drives me nuts! The 2 part episodes are not common so I guess Dr Phil and producers felt it warranted 2 shows. We'll have to wait and see. Had I known in advance I would have tried to get tickets. It's not far from me.

 

[SuperMom1995]

Thanks. So my question is this. Did LE tell Mark the truth about the test or did they lie to him? Here's a working link to MB's twitter.

https://twitter.com/9NEWS/status/297216994539884544

I am so sorry my link did not work. Thanks to Salem for fixing it! It was my understanding that they told him the truth. I have not seen/heard anything different.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

25 minutes ago posted on FMDR the Dr Phil show will air on Monday. It's possible/probable they will only make one show out of it. I heard that DP talked to MR in private after the taping but that doesn't mean they will show that. Perhaps he took a poly and that will be revealed at the end of the show on Monday?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am so sorry my link did not work. Thanks to Salem for fixing it! It was my understanding that they told him the truth. I have not seen/heard anything different.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I think that it's possible that they lied. Unless LE tells us, we will never know.

 

[cluciano63]

Someone asked about the search/dogs

Besides K-9 forensics site, there is also Sadie says

She has a cute post( Sadie)

https://www.facebook.com/TheSadiesaysProgram

She is adorable...