CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[eileenhawkeye]

In my opinion I think all cases of missing children should be treated the same. An amber alert needs to go out, period. It shouldn't matter if they are a runaway or their parents or fighting, or it was a stranger abduction. If people can not see past the parents fighting or accusing or whatever then they have the problem, then it is not about the child in the first place. They are just around for the drama. If they think "oh just another runaway" then they have the problem. Some Runaways are endangered, they may not think of the risks and dangers out there. IMO I feel if it is about the child you look past everything else and concentrate on the child.

This is my opinion and isn't referring any specific person or people. It is a general thought.

People will stop taking Amber Alerts seriously if they are issued too often. Like a car alarm. There are 800,000 children reported missing every year. They cannot issue anywhere near that many Amber Alerts.

Also, Amber Alerts were designed for the highway so people could look for a vehicle. If all the Amber Alert sign says is: "16-Year-Old White Girl With Brown Hair, Brown Eyes Is Missing"...How would people look out for this girl when they are driving?

 

[scorekeeper]

IMO, if I were guilty of accidentally harming my child, I would have admitted it immediately (because the only way that would have happened is if it were an accident). A person who harmed or disappeared their child for selfish reasons would most likely still go on the show to "prove" they didn't do it. Any narcissistic person probably would. (I think I've mentioned I have some diagnosed narcissistic friends for whom nothing is their fault. Ever. It's creepy.)

That being said, if my child disappeared on my watch, and I had an ex that I didn't like or even despised (not saying Mark does, just my own scenario here), I would not be defensive or say anything remotely disparaging about the ex or my child. I'd be taking full responsibility for him being missing. The first words out of my mouth when I saw my ex would be "I wouldn't blame you for hating me. I hate myself." MOO.

Is this the first face-to-face for Mark and Elaine since Dylan disappeared?

I think it might be....

 

[Seajay]

Real question, do you think the viewers would not consider that the parent who supposedly had Dylan would not be able to take him out from under wraps? (If they did, they could be arrested and/or lose custody). I would think viewers would be smarter than that, but maybe not....

You know what is really tragic to me?? What if they are both wrong. What if neither one of the parents has him??? What if they've been wasting all this time that should have been spent trying to find him has been wasted in them pointing fingers at one another??? Dylan loses in this. This is the worst part of all this, is Dylan loses.

Someone could have him and he's waiting for his parents to rescue him, to come get him, to save him and what are they doing??? Publically fighting with each other, slinging mud about who did what to whom and when, and Dylan is out there, waiting.......it's heartbreaking.

 

[cluciano63]

Real question, do you think the viewers would not consider that the parent who supposedly had Dylan would not be able to take him out from under wraps? (If they did, they could be arrested and/or lose custody). I would think viewers would be smarter than that, but maybe not....

I am not really sure what you are asking.
Do you mean that Dylan would be left forever wherever they "put" him?
Who on earth would take on a teenage boy forever, other than a parent?
Again, not really sure what you are asking.

 

[findDylan]

People will stop taking Amber Alerts seriously if they are issued too often. Like a car alarm. There are 800,000 children reported missing every year. They cannot issue anywhere near that many Amber Alerts.

Also, Amber Alerts were designed for the highway so people could look for a vehicle. If all the Amber Alert sign says is: "16-Year-Old White Girl With Brown Hair, Brown Eyes Is Missing"...How would people look out for this girl when they are driving?

Then there needs to be a different system. I think the LE picks and chooses who get an Amber alert. Example: Jessica Ridgway (may she rest in peace) was issued one and there was no car description, no sign of a predator, nothing. (and don't get me wrong I am very thankful one was issued). I just think it needs to be across the board for all kids. No one child is more important than another. IMO

 

[mijamawi]

In my opinion I think all cases of missing children should be treated the same. An amber alert needs to go out, period. It shouldn't matter if they are a runaway or their parents or fighting, or it was a stranger abduction. If people can not see past the parents fighting or accusing or whatever then they have the problem, then it is not about the child in the first place. They are just around for the drama. If they think "oh just another runaway" then they have the problem. Some Runaways are endangered, they may not think of the risks and dangers out there. IMO I feel if it is about the child you look past everything else and concentrate on the child.

This is my opinion and isn't referring any specific person or people. It is a general thought.

I totally agree. If a child is missing whether it be of their own doing or someone else's, they are still a child and still need to be found. I don't know why we don't treat it this way, but unfortunately we don't. When I say we, I mean the general public.

We are so caught up in our own world that when we see a troubled teenager missing, we just assume the kid is on drugs or the parents are jacked up. I'm not referring to any specific case, just general.

I admit I'm guilty of such thoughts. My boys are happy. My boys are well rounded. However, until it happens to you or someone you know, it's just another messed up family. Unfortunately though, that's reality. People aren't going to look past the family drama to really care about the kid at the heart of the matter. That kid is lost. This is how it is. It sucks. The kids who get the national attention are the all American kid with the perfect family situation and is single digit in age. THAT is reality and it needs to change.

 

[cluciano63]

You know what is really tragic to me?? What if they are both wrong. What if neither one of the parents has him??? What if they've been wasting all this time that should have been spent trying to find him has been wasted in them pointing fingers at one another??? Dylan loses in this. This is the worst part of all this, is Dylan loses.

Someone could have him and he's waiting for his parents to rescue him, to come get him, to save him and what are they doing??? Publically fighting with each other, slinging mud about who did what to whom and when, and Dylan is out there, waiting.......it's heartbreaking.

But LE is still doing whatever it is they do, and the parents are still doing interviews, etc. I am not sure what they could be physically doing even if they got along great. Kaine and Desiree worked as a team for a long time, to no avail.

 

[NC Analyzer]

You know what is really tragic to me?? What if they are both wrong. What if neither one of the parents has him??? What if they've been wasting all this time that should have been spent trying to find him has been wasted in them pointing fingers at one another??? Dylan loses in this. This is the worst part of all this, is Dylan loses.

Someone could have him and he's waiting for his parents to rescue him, to come get him, to save him and what are they doing??? Publically fighting with each other, slinging mud about who did what to whom and when, and Dylan is out there, waiting.......it's heartbreaking.

These parents can fight publicly, privately, whatever, until the cows come home. It won't change the course of the investigation. The parents aren't responsible for finding Dylan. LE/CBI/FBI task force is responsible and believe me, they don't give a rat's patootie how much these parents fight. Irrelevant.

 

[cluciano63]

Then there needs to be a different system. I think the LE picks and chooses who get an Amber alert. Example: Jessica Ridgway (may she rest in peace) was issued one and there was no car description, no sign of a predator, nothing. (and don't get me wrong I am very thankful one was issued). I just think it needs to be across the board for all kids. No one child is more important than another. IMO

I do think age and circumstances play a role. Jessica was only ten and walking to school vs. say, a teenager who may have taken off in the past. Of course both are in danger, but our screens would be little more than alerts, if one was created for each missing child and people cannot/would not concentrate on so many faces.

I do think there should be one free channel with all missing kids/persons, all the time. Some billionaire should take this on, IMO.

 

[Kamille]

If I were guilty, the last thing I would do would go on a TV program, period. It's too easy to say something to implicate yourself that LE could use to arrest and prosecute. I dunno, I would not do it. But that's just me. How many of you would go on a show like this if you were indeed guilty of harming and disappearing your child for selfish reasons??? IMO

This guy did...only it was his girlfriend.

Boyfriend who confessed to killing missing Texas mom talked to Dr. Phil first, police say

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/confessed-killer-spoke-dr-phil-cops-article-1.1172696

 

[NC Analyzer]

Then there needs to be a different system. I think the LE picks and chooses who get an Amber alert. Example: Jessica Ridgway (may she rest in peace) was issued one and there was no car description, no sign of a predator, nothing. (and don't get me wrong I am very thankful one was issued). I just think it needs to be across the board for all kids. No one child is more important than another. IMO

Lots of wonderful ideas. Unfortunately, like everything else in this country, there is no MONEY. No one wants higher taxes to pay for these things. In many places around the US, budget cuts have taken a bite out of even the most basic services, not to mention the extra's. It won't happen in this economy.

 

[ColdHands]

The Colorado Amber Alert criteria does not mention anything about a vehicle description.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/CDPS-CBIInvestigations/CBON/1251621993529#Colorado_Amber_Alert

 

[findDylan]

I do think age and circumstances play a role. Jessica was only ten and walking to school vs. say, a teenager who may have taken off in the past. Of course both are in danger, but our screens would be little more than alerts, if one was created for each missing child and people cannot/would not concentrate on so many faces.

I do think there should be one free channel with all missing kids/persons, all the time. Some billionaire should take this on, IMO.

BBM.. That is a great idea. It would get their faces out there for people to see. Something needs to change.

I understand why one was issued for Jessica and like I said I'm greatfull for it.

I guess it just bothers me that 10 days were wasted on Dylan because they thought he was a runaway. There was a chance they could have had clues sooner if they did an alert of some sort. If he was in fact abducted.

IMO

 

[ColdHands]

I totally agree. If a child is missing whether it be of their own doing or someone else's, they are still a child and still need to be found. I don't know why we don't treat it this way, but unfortunately we don't. When I say we, I mean the general public.

We are so caught up in our own world that when we see a troubled teenager missing, we just assume the kid is on drugs or the parents are jacked up. I'm not referring to any specific case, just general.

I admit I'm guilty of such thoughts. My boys are happy. My boys are well rounded. However, until it happens to you or someone you know, it's just another messed up family. Unfortunately though, that's reality. People aren't going to look past the family drama to really care about the kid at the heart of the matter. That kid is lost. This is how it is. It sucks. The kids who get the national attention are the all American kid with the perfect family situation and is single digit in age. THAT is reality and it needs to change.

Two of my son's friends stomped out of their houses this last month, typical angry teenage stuff. Both times my heart stopped when I got the call from the parents looking to see if they were at my house. This is hitting too close to home and it's scary to be a parent

 

[KateNY]

Seems there's been multiple searches...
fund raisers...to raise $$ for a reward...
facebook presence to get flyers, posters, Dylan's pic as far and wide as possible

that's not nothing being done

 

[cluciano63]

Scott Peterson quite boldly sat for a TV interview before his arrest.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I am not really sure what you are asking.
Do you mean that Dylan would be left forever wherever they "put" him?
Who on earth would take on a teenage boy forever, other than a parent?
Again, not really sure what you are asking.

Let me rephrase. In the post I was responding to, you posted:
"I just think that it is possible the impression from the DP show will be, for casual viewers, that this is an extremely amped-up custodial fight between parents and that one or the other knows he is safe and being cared for." This gives me the impression that you think casual viewer would think that one or the other of the parents knows he is safe and being cared for. Assuming that one of the parents has him safe somewhere and being cared for, that parent could not bring him back into their household without getting themselves into trouble.

Therefore, why would the casual viewer think that one or the other of the parents knows he is safe and being cared for, when there would be no point in doing so since they could not just pull Dylan out from wherever they have him hidden as say "Voila! Here he is!" I can't see why a casual viewer would think that, and I was hoping for some enlightenment. (being as I don't watch regular TV, but I think I've mentioned that...)

 

[BeginnersLuck]

People will stop taking Amber Alerts seriously if they are issued too often. Like a car alarm. There are 800,000 children reported missing every year. They cannot issue anywhere near that many Amber Alerts.

Also, Amber Alerts were designed for the highway so people could look for a vehicle. If all the Amber Alert sign says is: "16-Year-Old White Girl With Brown Hair, Brown Eyes Is Missing"...How would people look out for this girl when they are driving?

When I hear people asking about why a amber alert wasn't issued for a child, when all they have is the childs description, all I can think of is how many people would be calling 911 when they saw a child of similar age, sex and hair color. There is no possible way LE would have the man power to track down all the reported sighting.

 

[catswhiskers]

Is this the first face-to-face for Mark and Elaine since Dylan disappeared?

I think it might be....

If it is the first face to face for them, and if the brief promo clip posted above is any indication of how the whole show went - then I'm not surprised why both or either parent were avoiding such a confrontation. Having said that, maybe it would have been better to have got it out of the way very early on. IMO they both seemed to have been at fault in that respect, as in MSM reports and interviews they both claimed the other wouldn't cooperate IIRC.

I do want to see the show - even if you believed it wasn't a good idea in the first place (and using the general "you" here) I don't think there is any point in sticking heads in the sand - information is information after all. Despite heavy editing and maybe even some staging, it is still information from the key players' own lips. I hope someone will make it available for those of us on the other side of the world to see for ourselves.

MOO, and if it differs from others or even the majority, it doesn't mean I am unintelligent, blinkered, biased, attacking anyone, certifiable, or even wrong.

 

[scorekeeper]

You know what is really tragic to me?? What if they are both wrong. What if neither one of the parents has him??? What if they've been wasting all this time that should have been spent trying to find him has been wasted in them pointing fingers at one another??? Dylan loses in this. This is the worst part of all this, is Dylan loses.

Someone could have him and he's waiting for his parents to rescue him, to come get him, to save him and what are they doing??? Publically fighting with each other, slinging mud about who did what to whom and when, and Dylan is out there, waiting.......it's heartbreaking.

:waitasec:

Last time I checked LE was in charge of the investigation of finding Dylan.

Elaine and her family/friends have devoted every second to gettting Dylan's face out there. They have walked tiredless miles searching. Managed to get 2 free billboards. Elaine has done numerous fund raisers and interviews.

And Mark has passed out fliers and participated in a search.

How can the parents be blamed for Dylan not being found???
:banghead::banghead:

(Unless one of the parents caused Dylan to disappear).....JMO