CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[KateNY]

If not Amber Alerts, does LE send out any BOLAs for these other missing kids ?

 

[NC Analyzer]

Watching an interesting episode of Dateline. Paraphrasing a cold case investigator: The memory doesn't "grow" over time. When the individual expands on things that were not in part of the initial story and/or changes and forgets things that were initially said and should be remembered, that indicates deception.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

I've been trying to think about where Dylan could be.

If MR did something Sunday night, the clock starts at either 8:10ish or 9:37, depending on which you put faith in. If it started with the later time, he'd have 10 hours to do something. Which could put Dylan as far away as Albuquerque, or Grand Junction or Lake Powell even. Walsenburg is about as far east as you can get but east is kind of an interesting direction. Didn't one of the press releases say they searched on the eastern plains somewhere? I wouldn't call Walsenburg eastern plains (it's right at the junction of hwy 25, straight shot east of Durango) but that highway continues into La Junta and Lamar which are definitely eastern plains. Eastern plains of course is a huge area

If MR killed Dylan, he could be up to 4 1/2 hours from there and there's an awful lot of undeveloped land in that radius I really hope the cadaver dogs checked MR's trucks because there's no way he could transport a body for that long without scent transfer. IMO

However, if MR is responsible and let's say he's hiding Dylan somewhere, he might have returned on Monday to where ever he's holding him to check on him after his attorney appointment. If his attorney appointment ended at 10 (speculation) he had until about 4 when he showed up in Bayfield at the friend's house. So 6 hours or enough for a 3 hour trip each way. But you'd probably want to allow at least an hour for dealing with whatever when he checked on him.

If MR is hiding Dylan, I'd speculate that Dylan is probably somewhere up to 2 1/2 hours from Vallecito. Assuming of course that he wasn't handed off to anyone.

If a stranger or acquaintance abducted Dylan, the clock never ended on the window of opportunity. Ignoring statistics that say children are generally dead within 3 hours of an abduction, Dylan could literally be anywhere in the world right now.

I am trying to catch up, so if someone has already asked this please forgive me. I can't recall reading it in any of the articles, but it seems to me that LE would have checked the pings from MR's phone. Doing so would also reveal if MR had turned his phone off during his time away from home. Of course, he could have turned it off while in his appointments, but then LE could verify his presence at that time. Just a thought...

 

[Kamille]

BBM.. That is a great idea. It would get their faces out there for people to see. Something needs to change.

I understand why one was issued for Jessica and like I said I'm greatfull for it.

I guess it just bothers me that 10 days were wasted on Dylan because they thought he was a runaway. There was a chance they could have had clues sooner if they did an alert of some sort. If he was in fact abducted.

IMO

Yes...LE need to treat each missing person call as possible foul play and start an investigation immediately. They should have gone straight to the house and closed it off as a possible crime scene and gotten warrants while still working the runaway possibility. Until they start doing this, there will be lots of evidence lost in these cases.

MOO

 

[KateNY]

Scott Peterson quite boldly sat for a TV interview before his arrest.

and remember those 'tears'..... he drudged up

 

[Ronald99]

Apparently the lead in is from a local news broadcast. The promo for the Dr. Phil show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJi36_fMOg

All MOO

37 seconds.
MR. I didn't lose Dylan.
E. Then why is he gone ?
MR. That's a question we all have to ask,___ But nobody's got the answer.
E. No you have to ask that Question, You had him. Where is he ?

 

[KateNY]

well the show accomplished something already

people that were there at the show have been signing up at FMDR to help spread the word and get those flyers across even more of the country

shares on facebook etc etc

 

[scorekeeper]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/K-9-Forensics/249798878409404?filter=3

pictures from the searches (wish we knew exactly where they were searching)

what beautiful dogs

 

[scorekeeper]

37 seconds.
MR. I didn't lose Dylan.
E. Then why is he gone ?
MR. That's a question we all have to ask,___ But nobody's got the answer.
E. No you have to ask that Question, You had him. Where is he ?

at 58 seconds

MR: she never called me

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Oh, it's always Elaine's fault

I probably would have attacked him...jmo

 

[Seajay]

Not everyone sees the same thing. Take the video of the Canadian girl in the elevator for instance. We all see the same video. Yet our interpretation of what she is doing is so different. Some thing she's on drugs, some think she's drunk, some think she is bi-polar, some think she's depressed, some thing she's playing, some think she's had a psychotic break, some think there is a second person in the elevator with her that LE blocked out.

So many different versions of the same exact scene. We all take what we see and we let it talk to us.

People are going to see that show and are going to come away with different opinions and feelings about what they think happened to Dylan. And some aren't going to want to get involved because they think it's a custody issue between the parents. That's the truth of the matter, whether we like it or not. IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[song22]

I think that most viewers of Dr. Phil will see what many people have already seen. MR has a history of abusive behavior. ER suspects him in the disappearance of her son and is desperate to know the truth. If I suspected my ex of harming my child, I would shout it from the rooftops. I would try to get everyone to listen, because I would want an answer. Often times an abuser will garner sympathy and spin the situation so that the abused woman looks like the psycho one. Now MR is on Dr. Phil saying "I think she did it" It's just another manipulative ploy to confuse the audience. To get people to say, "Now, now both of you need to simmer down and work together for the sake of your son." It's one of the reasons why women in abusive relationships should NEVER agree to mediation with an abuser. That was a very common mistake that therapists made in the past, but fortunately have wised up to. It is no longer recommended that women in abusive relationships get marriage counseling. The abuser will manipulate and use the situation to further victimize the abused. ER is being very brave in facing MR and knowing how he will try to turn the tables on her. I think the audience will see through it. I hope Dr. Phil does.

 

[catswhiskers]

Watching an interesting episode of Dateline. Paraphrasing a cold case investigator: The memory doesn't "grow" over time. When the individual expands on things that were not in part of the initial story and/or changes and forgets things that were initially said and should be remembered, that indicates deception.

I agree with this in principal, but we have only heard snippets chosen by MSM for release, and in response to their own questions. I didn't find MB's questioning of MR or ER to be very inspiring - she seemed pretty disorganised and unsure of herself with both parents in the uncut videos.
We don't know the full details given in the moment by moment interview with LE, so IMO it's hard for anyone outside LE to determine what parts of anyone's stories have changed or not.

Moo

 

[KateNY]

37 seconds.
MR. I didn't lose Dylan.
E. Then why is he gone ?
MR. That's a question we all have to ask,___ But nobody's got the answer.
E. No you have to ask that Question, You had him. Where is he ?

BBM

That could be the truth.....if he knows where he is

 

[NC Analyzer]

Not everyone sees the same thing. Take the video of the Canadian girl in the elevator for instance. We all see the same video. Yet our interpretation of what she is doing is so different. Some thing she's on drugs, some think she's drunk, some think she is bi-polar, some think she's depressed, some thing she's playing, some think she's had a psychotic break, some think there is a second person in the elevator with her that LE blocked out.

So many different versions of the same exact scene. We all take what we see and we let it talk to us.

People are going to see that show and are going to come away with different opinions and feelings about what they think happened to Dylan. And some aren't going to want to get involved because they think it's a custody issue between the parents. That's the truth of the matter, whether we like it or not. IMO, JMO, MOO.

Some people don't want to get involved? Involved in what? Fund raisers? Donating money? Handing out flyers? I sincerely doubt "those people" matter much anyway, so they don't have to do a thing.

I do believe that there is the perception that "some people" are going to bring answers to this case, when in fact, it is LE who has those answers and will bring this case to a resolution....or NOT.
Not "people"...LE.

 

[Kamille]

I am trying to catch up, so if someone has already asked this please forgive me. I can't recall reading it in any of the articles, but it seems to me that LE would have checked the pings from MR's phone. Doing so would also reveal if MR had turned his phone off during his time away from home. Of course, he could have turned it off while in his appointments, but then LE could verify his presence at that time. Just a thought...

I think we're going to find out that MR's cell phone was off for most of the time frame in question. Which could be perfectly innocent if he's the type who never has his phone on unless he needs to use it. I know some people like that. The cell phone is only a means of communication for them when they are out and not something they have on all the time expecting incoming calls and texts.

MOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

Not everyone sees the same thing. Take the video of the Canadian girl in the elevator for instance. We all see the same video. Yet our interpretation of what she is doing is so different. Some thing she's on drugs, some think she's drunk, some think she is bi-polar, some think she's depressed, some thing she's playing, some think she's had a psychotic break, some think there is a second person in the elevator with her that LE blocked out.

So many different versions of the same exact scene. We all take what we see and we let it talk to us.

People are going to see that show and are going to come away with different opinions and feelings about what they think happened to Dylan. And some aren't going to want to get involved because they think it's a custody issue between the parents. That's the truth of the matter, whether we like it or not. IMO, JMO, MOO.

What Canadian girl in the elevator? Is it on Youtube? I'd be curious to see what I think.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Not everyone sees the same thing. Take the video of the Canadian girl in the elevator for instance. We all see the same video. Yet our interpretation of what she is doing is so different. Some thing she's on drugs, some think she's drunk, some think she is bi-polar, some think she's depressed, some thing she's playing, some think she's had a psychotic break, some think there is a second person in the elevator with her that LE blocked out.

So many different versions of the same exact scene. We all take what we see and we let it talk to us.

People are going to see that show and are going to come away with different opinions and feelings about what they think happened to Dylan. And some aren't going to want to get involved because they think it's a custody issue between the parents. That's the truth of the matter, whether we like it or not. IMO, JMO, MOO.

That is your opinion. It should not be stated as fact. I disagree and the few posts I've seen from those that were at the taping said nothing of this sort.

 

[Kamille]

at 58 seconds

MR: she never called me

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Oh, it's always Elaine's fault

I probably would have attacked him...jmo

Yes...it appears that Dr Phil is saying to both of them that this is not something you deal with via texting. MR's response is "well she didn't call me".

Elaine says something about why would she be the one to call?

Just a mess.

MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

Yes...LE need to treat each missing person call as possible foul play and start an investigation immediately. They should have gone straight to the house and closed it off as a possible crime scene and gotten warrants while still working the runaway possibility. Until they start doing this, there will be lots of evidence lost in these cases.

MOO

I would love to see LE's checklist.....this is one from NCMEC

http://missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC88.pdf

(especially sealing/protecting scene....)

 

[NC Analyzer]

Yes...it appears that Dr Phil is saying to both of them that this is not something you deal with via texting. MR's response is "well she didn't call me".

Elaine says something about why would she be the one to call?

Just a mess.

MOO

BBM: SERIOUSLY?? I haven't watched the clip, but SERIOUSLY? This guy sounds like my teenagers. Simply unbelievable.