CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[mijamawi]

Well we could also say hypothetically that an argument caused the phone to be disabled somehow and then after getting to the house, Dylan chose to continue to text with his Ipod, or he got a one-off text so to speak before getting caught.

MOO

Ok, so then what? If he's killed at the home of MR then what happens? Again, I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm honestly and truly trying to go the route of MR did it and I need guidance to follow that trail.

There are many things that point to MR. His bumbling speech pattern, his constricted pupils, his smirky smirk. I would like a step by step (with facts known) on what happened, or what some think happened. Since he's opened to being sleuthed, I would like to travel that road.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Maybe once they started digging around the 8pm text wasn't accurate information. Not that ER lied or anything, just that they were able to obtain more details than she could.

 

[mijamawi]

Maybe once they started digging around the 8pm text wasn't accurate information. Not that ER lied or anything, just that they were able to obtain more details than she could.

That's possible. If that was the case, they'd have where that text pinged though, right?

 

[Kamille]

Ok, so then what? If he's killed at the home of MR then what happens? Again, I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm honestly and truly trying to go the route of MR did it and I need guidance to follow that trail.

There are many things that point to MR. His bumbling speech pattern, his constricted pupils, his smirky smirk. I would like a step by step (with facts known) on what happened, or what some think happened. Since he's opened to being sleuthed, I would like to travel that road.

If he's killed at the home after 9:37pm there's 10 hours of unaccounted for time after that. Anything is possible at that point.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

If the 9:37pm text is a clue, who are we to assume LE is taunting with it? I don't understand.

 

[mijamawi]

If he's killed at the home after 9:37pm there's 10 hours of unaccounted for time after that. Anything is possible at that point.

MOO

If he's killed at the home, there would be some kind of evidence, no? If he was freshly dead and transported from the home, a scent would be had in the vehicles, no? MOOO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

That's possible. If that was the case, they'd have where that text pinged though, right?

They should. I doubt there are many towers in that area. Someone probably knows more about that. I came in late on the thread so it may have been researched already.

LE statement that something either happened at the house or after he left the house makes me think he at least made it there.

 

[scorekeeper]

do we know if the 9:37 text was sent from the phone or the ipod?

I know LE has told us they found his ipod email account.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if a cadaver hit in a vehicle would even mean much as far as evidence goes, as it does not seem to have helped move the case of Lisa Irwin along at all. And this LE would probably not announce it, even if it happened.

 

[Kamille]

That's possible. If that was the case, they'd have where that text pinged though, right?

We still don't know what the radius of the cell tower is though. It could be many miles. The Verizon tower appears to be just outside of Bayfield. We don't know what provider Dyan had and whether his phone was roaming when at MR's house. We don't have multiple towers to narrow down a location with triangulation and no GPS on the phone itself.

MOO

 

[neverletgo]

Off topic but: happy, happy birthday to youuu, Nursebeeme! :grouphug:

Thank you for all the hard work that you (and all of the other mods!) do and I hope that all of your birthday wishes come true! artyguy2:

On topic: I love all the pictures of the searches/dogs that have been posted the past few days . . . thank you! However, they are also making me a little weepy, too. :sigh: I think I'll go light another candle for Dylan and his loved ones right now . . .

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=DNR

 

[rebeccaeee]

Ok, so then what? If he's killed at the home of MR then what happens? Again, I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm honestly and truly trying to go the route of MR did it and I need guidance to follow that trail.

There are many things that point to MR. His bumbling speech pattern, his constricted pupils, his smirky smirk. I would like a step by step (with facts known) on what happened, or what some think happened. Since he's opened to being sleuthed, I would like to travel that road.

Okey doke. I have long figured on an argument between Mr and Dylan. Not a fan of the premeditated theory, although i'm not ruling it out, but I see much more a quick and violent confrontation that got our of hand. Probably at home. Figure MR had enough of the texting on the way home and confiscated the phone. Maybe Dylan was texting from the ipod later (9:37?) although once again, I'm open to other possibilities. Choking/smothering (leaving very little evidence, particulary 10 days later) and then a real quick, panicked, ohmigod whatdoido reaction. Packs up Dylan and the backpack (which has not been opened) and dispatches him quickly. Maybe the lake? Maybe a long drive on a path well known to a place well known to him. If the lake, then probably so he can "hold on" to Dylan in a place he sees every damned day. the lake is problematic because I cannot visualize how you would toss a 100 lb body over that walkway near the dam. And no, i don't think MR has a boat or would have risked using one to dispose of Dylan. I lean a bit more to a pipeline project/open construction zone place. But part of me has always believed this is the simplest of crimes and the simplest of scenes. Quick, violent argument followed by a dump in the lake. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Ok, hypothetical.....

Let's say something fatal happened to Dylan at 8:01ish. At 9:37 (an hour and a half after fatality) a text was sent. It seems as though said text was sent from an itouch, which requires wi/fi. So, MR fatally harms Dylan, goes home to text from the itouch and then....what? Was Dylan left in the truck while MR went home to text? If he was in the truck, LE would probably know this right? Did MR leave him at the site of the fatality, hoping no one (or nothing) came across the body? I'm in no way being snarky. I have been thinking of how this could happen since the 9:37 text became public knowledge. This 9:37 text is somehow a clue and I'm trying to make it work with the public opinion of MR did it. MOO, IMO, JMO, HYPOTHETICALMOOOO

BBM - (Simply conjecture on my part.) I agree that the 9:37 text is a big clue. In fact I would go so far as to say that it is the sole reason the LE put out the timeline. To say...we have the forensics back...we know... to make the perp nervous. One thing that makes it significant IMO is ER's statements that texts stopped around 8 PM. It seems plausible that she checked her phone records and texts did stop at exactly that time on Dylan's phone. Hence, the replies came from another device. I have multiple theories. But none of them fit with Dylan making it to MR's and LE made it pretty clear that he did. JMO.

 

[scorekeeper]

If I recall, there's a tower near Durango and then one near Vallecito (hence MR saying you can get cell reception once you get near the lake).

 

[The Cheese]

ER didn't say they hadn't spoken in 3 yrs....she just said she & MR had not spoken at all...and it's a short clip from the show....so I assumed she meant they hadn't spoken since Dylan vanished. They've only traded text messages prior to doing the Dr. Phil show.

Mark and his ex-wife, Elaine, who haven’t seen or spoken to each other in three years, come face to face on Dr. Phil’s stage.

http://www.drphil.com/shows/

 

[KateNY]

If the 9:37pm text is a clue, who are we to assume LE is taunting with it? I don't understand.

BBM


a perp

 

[deoneta]

That's possible. If that was the case, they'd have where that text pinged though, right?

I'm not very knowledgeable on this subject, but I believe this was discussed before. In a nutshell, because of the relative scarcity of towers in the area (and maybe the type of phone Dylan had, no GPS), the location could only be narrowed down to a general vicinity and not pinpointed. I could be wrong. Maybe someone can shed more light? All MOO

 

[Kamille]

If he's killed at the home, there would be some kind of evidence, no? If he was freshly dead and transported from the home, a scent would be had in the vehicles, no? MOOO

Lots of cases, solved and unsolved, didn't produce forensic evidence at the likely scene of the crime. Lacy Peterson, Susan Powell, Michelle Parker to name a few. A quick wrapping of a body and a bloodless death likely prevents this evidence from being found IMO.

We can't expect forensic evidence at every crime scene. Especially when there are 10 days before the CSI even show up.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

BBM


a perp

OK, but if it was meant for MR, why not just haul him in and put it to him? And if not MR, then it seems they would know who they are looking for, if the text is important. I guess I am missing something.

 

[cluciano63]

Lots of cases, solved and unsolved, didn't produce forensic evidence at the likely scene of the crime. Lacy Peterson, Susan Powell, Michelle Parker to name a few. A quick wrapping of a body and a bloodless death likely prevents this evidence from being found IMO.

We can't expect forensic evidence at every crime scene. Especially when there are 10 days before the CSI even show up.

MOO

True. I am almost certain Lacey was murdered at home, yet there was no word of a dog "hit" inside as far as I know.