CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[Ghostwheel]

Yes it is frozen now. I probably should have added that I'm thinking in terms of what access did someone have back in November to put Dylan in the lake (assuming that's what happened.) Could a person pull over anywhere along that road and walk up to the lake? Is it only accessible by foot from certain trails? And remember, if someone did that they were carrying a hundred pounds. ETA: also at night in the dark.

From looking at Google maps, anyone could pull up fairly close in many places. There are several campgrounds with parking lots close to the lake and you can drive across the dam (I think that is the area they searched, as it would be easiest access). The closest parking lot is at Old Timers Day Use area.
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDfxMDT8MwRydLA1cj72BTJw8jAwgAykeaxcN4jhYG_h4eYX5hPgYweSJ0G-AAjoR0h4Nci992sAm4zffzyM9N1S_IDY0wyDJRBABZRw4s/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfME80MEkxVkFCOTBFMktTNUJIMjAwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110213&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&navid=110000000000000&pnavid=null&recid=43106&ttype=recarea&pname=Old%20Timers%20Day%20Use%20Area%20-%20Home

 

[Seajay]

Fruit Tingles, she's so cute. Look at that smile. Look at those cheeks. She is just precious. As much as we miss you, we know that it's because you are taking great care of the precious little angel. <muah>

 

[Ghostwheel]

Thank you very much, and Ransom too! Always difficult when I can't see the lay of the land for myself so I appreciate any help.

It leaves me wondering if there is any security/ranger patrol that might be happening at night to enforce the day-use rule or to collect fees from pay stations. I went looking for a Pine River Irrigation annual report that might show whether they budget for any security but so far no luck on that.

I'm guessing based on my experience with these types of areas, but unless it is high tourist season, there is no night patrol, usually one or two day rangers (to pick up trash, pick up pay stations and keep an eye on things), and there is usually only a cabin or motor home with a "host" for the campgrounds. The fees they charge are pretty low, so if there are not a lot of people around, not a lot of revenue.

 

[Ghostwheel]

What is the gun that was on the table saying??

"Clean me?" Kind of like the rest of the table.

 

[ColdHands]

From looking at Google maps, anyone could pull up fairly close in many places. There are several campgrounds with parking lots close to the lake and you can drive across the dam (I think that is the area they searched, as it would be easiest access). The closest parking lot is at Old Timers Day Use area.
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDfxMDT8MwRydLA1cj72BTJw8jAwgAykeaxcN4jhYG_h4eYX5hPgYweSJ0G-AAjoR0h4Nci992sAm4zffzyM9N1S_IDY0wyDJRBABZRw4s/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfME80MEkxVkFCOTBFMktTNUJIMjAwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110213&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&navid=110000000000000&pnavid=null&recid=43106&ttype=recarea&pname=Old%20Timers%20Day%20Use%20Area%20-%20Home

Thank you!

Can you still drive over the top of the dam? In 2011 a project was started to relocate the road to below the face of the dam. Is the old road across the top still in place as a pedestrian/bike trail?

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...2/0/COLUMNISTS04/A-new-way-from-here-to-there

Eta: is there any lighting along the road in front of the dam or along the top of the dam?

 

[Ransom]

I do not understand why the timeline, as released by the Sheriff Dept continues to be reported incorrectly.

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I posted the press release through the PRT.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1112
1/25/2013

In a press release yesterday, Lt Ed Phippen, task force leader for the sheriff’s office, said tips are promptly checked, regardless of reliability and including several from psychics and mediums.
“We want to leave no stone unturned” he said.

Dylan flew from his home in Colorado Springs on Sunday, Nov. 18 to Durango for a court-ordered visit with his father.

An updated timeline for Dylan’s activities on Sunday Nov. 18 has been released:

5:46 p.m. Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37 p.m. Dylan’s last text to his friends.


Any other info is from where? Link requested. TIA.

 

[Ronald99]

What is the gun that was on the table saying??

Intimidation

It could represent anything, only MR knows why he decided to have the Weapon Displayed in the open.

 

[Ransom]

From looking at Google maps, anyone could pull up fairly close in many places. There are several campgrounds with parking lots close to the lake and you can drive across the dam (I think that is the area they searched, as it would be easiest access). The closest parking lot is at Old Timers Day Use area.
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDfxMDT8MwRydLA1cj72BTJw8jAwgAykeaxcN4jhYG_h4eYX5hPgYweSJ0G-AAjoR0h4Nci992sAm4zffzyM9N1S_IDY0wyDJRBABZRw4s/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfME80MEkxVkFCOTBFMktTNUJIMjAwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110213&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&navid=110000000000000&pnavid=null&recid=43106&ttype=recarea&pname=Old%20Timers%20Day%20Use%20Area%20-%20Home

That's on the other side of the lake from where DR dad's house is located. He lives on the western side. In order to get to where you mapped, you have to drive all the way down the western side (CR 500 to CR 501), drive over the dam (501A) and then back up to get there. Long way around.

Seasonal closing:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/generalinfo/sanjuan/recreation/generalinfo/?groupid=51753&recid=43106

 

[SCHMAE]

snipped

I posted the press release through the PRT.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1112
1/25/2013

In a press release yesterday, Lt Ed Phippen, task force leader for the sheriff&#8217;s office, said tips are promptly checked, regardless of reliability and including several from psychics and mediums.
&#8220;We want to leave no stone unturned&#8221; he said.

Dylan flew from his home in Colorado Springs on Sunday, Nov. 18 to Durango for a court-ordered visit with his father.

An updated timeline for Dylan&#8217;s activities on Sunday Nov. 18 has been released:

5:46 p.m. Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37 p.m. Dylan&#8217;s last text to his friends.


Any other info is from where? Link requested. TIA.

Thanks. <modsnip>
, so LE knows they made it to MCD's ! They have witness, video, something !

 

[Ransom]

Thank you!

Can you still drive over the top of the dam? In 2011 a project was started to relocate the road to below the face of the dam. Is the old road across the top still in place as a pedestrian/bike trail?

http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/p...2/0/COLUMNISTS04/A-new-way-from-here-to-there

Eta: is there any lighting along the road in front of the dam or along the top of the dam?

http://www.4cornersfilmoffice.org/l...ge/12/Vallecito_Dam_Vallecito_Lake_Durango_CO
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...qkpUYKMHOX02gXL1oHgBA&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAQ&dur=184
Drive over the dam image(s)

 

[ColdHands]

http://www.4cornersfilmoffice.org/l...ge/12/Vallecito_Dam_Vallecito_Lake_Durango_CO

Drive over the dam image.

That's dated 2007 and the Bureau of Reclamation started a project to move the road off the dam in 2011. I'm looking to see if that project was actually finished because that would mean you couldn't just drive along the top of the dam and dispose of a body. You'd have to carry him up over the dam using a pedestrian/bike path if you intended to drop him into the water there with some weights. Which might be considred given that that's going to be the deepest spot and he'd end up there anyway.

Also looking for lighting in the area. Since 2001 dam security has been a big issue. Dams are considered to be vulnerable spots and so many have been fitted with lighting, CCTV, and other security including security patrols.

Of course that varies by dam and so far I haven't been able to dig out the specifics at Vallecito but I think that if Dylan is in the lake, he was put there off one of the sides and not off the dam because of access and possibly security.

There are stretches of road where the lake looks pretty accessible but the ground also looks like it might hold tire and footprints. That's via Google maps images so I need more research. Other areas along the road are set a ways back from the lake and remember if someone did this they're carrying 100 pounds so I'm guessing they don't want to walk very far. Other stretches are actually private property and I'm thinking its probably dog country and no one has come forward to say their dogs were barking.

All IMO and all that.

 

[NC Analyzer]

La Plata County Sheriff's Office Lt. Ed Phippen, the leader of the Dyland Redwine Task Force, said tips are being followed up on, regardless of reliability, including several from psychics and mediums.

&#8220;We want to leave no stone unturned," Phippen said.

Deputies have released an update timeline about Dylan&#8217;s activities on Sunday, November 18:

5:46 p.m. Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37 p.m. Dylan&#8217;s last electronic device communication (texting)
Dylan's father, Mark Redwine, said he left his son home alone on Monday while he ran errands. Redwine said when he returned home, Dylan was missing.

The reward for information in the case has been raised to $50,400.

Anyone who may have information on Dylan&#8217;s whereabouts is asked to contact La Plata County Sheriff&#8217;s Office Investigators Dan Patterson (970-382-7015) or Tom Cowing (970-382-7045).

Information can also be left on a local tip line (970-382-7511) that is regularly checked by Investigators.

Tips can also be called into Durango-La Plata Crime Stoppers at 970-247-1112 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children's hotline at 1-800-THE-LOST (1-800-843-5678).
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...3-year-old-dylan-redwine-in-durango-vallecito

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News Release: Sheriff Office Continues Search for Dylan Redwine
Date: Thursday 1-24-12

La Plata County Sheriff&#8217;s Office and the Dylan Redwine Task Force is continuing its investigation into the disappearance of 13 year old Dylan Redwine. Dylan was reported missing by his father, Mark Redwine on November 19th, less than a day after arriving in La Plata County for a court ordered visitation.
...
LPCSO investigators from three different bureaus are following various tips that come in to the Task Force which consists of five local, state and federal law enforcement agencies . In the past few days, investigators have searched locations on snowshoes, under bridges, and other sites in three different areas in La Plata County and two other locations in Colorado.

LPCSO investigators and agents from the FBI met recently to develop strategies and review results of tests of evidence by CBI. Additional interviews are also being conducted locally and outside the area. In several cases, law enforcement agencies not connected to the Task Force have assisted in searches and interviews in Colorado and other states.

LPCSO Lt Ed Phippen, Task Force Leader said tips are promptly followed up on, regardless of reliability
including several from psychics and mediums. &#8220;We want to leave no stone unturned&#8221; he said.

An updated timeline for Dylan&#8217;s activities on Sunday November 18th has been released:

5:46PM Dylan arrived at Durango-La Plata airport.
7:05 PM Dylan at Durango Walmart
7:22 PM Dylan at Durango McDonalds
9:37PM Dylan&#8217;s last electronic device communication (texting)

The last person identified as having seen Dylan is his father, Mark Redwine.
Mr Redwine told investigators he saw Dylan at his Vallecito home early Monday morning, November 19th.

Rewards are offered for information related to Dylan&#8217;s whereabouts through Durango-La Plata Crime Stoppers
(970-247-1112), the FBI, and donations to a private fund. An updated Missing Person flyer was released a few days ago by Durango-La Plata Crime Stoppers. A copy is included in this news release as a separate attachment.
Anyone who may have information on Dylan&#8217;s whereabouts is asked to contact La Plata County Sheriff&#8217;s Office Investigators Dan Patterson (970-382-7015) or Tom Cowing (970-382-7045). There is a local tip line (970-382-7511) where tips can be left on an answering machine that is regularly checked by Investigators. Persons can call Durango-La Plata Crime Stoppers at 970-247-1112. Persons can also call the hotline for the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children at 1-800-THE LOST (1-800-843-5678).
Source: LaPlata County Sheriff Department


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[cluciano63]

I am guessing that if they have video from McDonald's, it did not show Dylan clear enough to use for the public, as the Walmart video did. I do not think LE would assume he was there if they did not see him.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

The videos released by LE of Dylan would be primarily to give the public a description of him. It shows what he was wearing, etc. when last seen.

Here is a video that shows a camera facing out the drive thru window at a McDonalds.

http://www.9news.com/video/1579777777001/1/Cow-wanders-up-to-McDonalds-drive-thru-window-

I don't think LE would put it in the timeline if they didn't have video or a positive ID from a worker.

eta: never mind I just rewatched it and the workers took the pictures. lol

 

[cluciano63]

They are planning an event at a restaurant in Bayfield to watch the show.
Hmm.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

They are planning an event at a restaurant in Bayfield to watch the show.
Hmm.

I wonder if alcohol will be served. :waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if alcohol will be served. :waitasec:

It is a sports bar...

 

[katydid23]

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Then how did "dylan just show up randomly and no one would be surprised"?

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life--

He probably got most of his rides with his older brother. Once my DS started driving my DD never wanted me to take her anywhere.

 

[katydid23]

YAY!!! :baby::baby::baby:

I just saw our baby girl. SOOO ADORABLE!!! What a gorgeous smile and a happy sweetheart. THANX for sharing those photos, FruitT. We need them. :heartbeat:

 

[asyousay]

They are planning an event at a restaurant in Bayfield to watch the show.
Hmm.

I am assuming Mark will not be present ?!