CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[TxLady2]

LE doesn't have to fund TES, do they?

Having TES come to search... With their specialized expertise... sounds like it could only be a win-win situation, to me!

I wonder what reasons LE would NOT want TES to come in...

JMO

Look back at the Haleigh Cummings case as well as Caylee Anthony's case, at Tim Miller's involvement in the investigation and it might give you a good idea why LE would not approve TES. Tim Miller lost a lot of credibility after that, especially in Haleigh's case, so a lot of LE just don't trust him. They would prefer to do their own investigations, and for any search team to confine themselves to searching instead of playing detective. Tim thought he could solve Haleigh's case by hiring professionals to do LDT's and voice stress tests on Misty Cummings. Even though his heart was in the right place, he should have stayed out of it.

I still admire Tim for devoting his life to help other people. But I'm not LE, so I can't speak for their reasons in THIS case. Just giving a possibility why they wouldn't approve.

No, LE does not have to fund any search efforts except their own. TES operates on donations from the public. I still donate when I can.

 

[asyousay]

Has Mark even said he feels guilty that he did not react sooner to Dylan being gone ?

I think most parents would play the " what if game " and if Mark is innocent then his nap time lost precious hours :cow:

 

[TxJan1971]

IIRC ER said well we need to call the sheriff, and she did contact the sheriffs office about 5pm if memory serves me well, MR went to the marshalls office, the time reported for that was about 6pm I believe.

NANCY GRACE TRANSCRIPT
"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don’t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark. I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html



Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshall’s Office.
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/...ts-wait-wonder


Dylan Redwine's father, Mark Redwine, reported the 13-year-old missing midday Nov. 19 from his house in the Vallecito area, about 22 miles northeast of Durango.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...edwines-father-does-not-call-father-a-suspect

Mark reported Dylan as missing a little before 5 p.m. Monday after he was unable to find him during the afternoon.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...in-bayfield-area-for-missing-dylan-redwine-13

Mark Redwine alerted law enforcement about Dylan’s absence just before 6 p.m. Nov. 19, Bender said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

But at that moment in time…, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn’t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall’s office taking care of this, and that’s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her.
From Melissa Blasius Uncut Interview w/ MR available on Timeline/Media Thread.

 

[TxJan1971]

Has Mark even said he feels guilty that he did not react sooner to Dylan being gone ?

I think most parents would play the " what if game " and if Mark is innocent then his nap time lost precious hours :cow:

Melissa Blasius:
Do you blame yourself, too, a little bit?

Mark Redwine:
I… normally wouldn’t, but I do… I do blame myself. I relive this 1,000 times, and every time, it comes back to… I seen him laying on the couch and I didn’t try hard enough maybe to wake him up, to have him come with me, knowing that he had talked about going to spend time with his friends, and letting him sleep what he does so many times before…I beat myself up over that constantly. But that’s not… that’s not helping me… and it’s not helping Dylan.

From Melissa Blasius Interview Uncut w/ Mark Redwine available in Media/Timeline

 

[asyousay]

It's interesting that Elaine is the one who actually reacts more strongly to Dylan being missing that Mark . Straight away she is the one who says call the cops and seemingly knows something is amiss as her reaction is quick and swift :cow:

 

[SuperMom1995]

Thanks. This says -

in 76 percent of the murders of an abducted child, the child was murdered within 3 hours of the abduction;

That's not at all the same as what you said last thread - specially when statistics show most abducted kids are killed within 3 hours. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

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For anyone interested, statistics show most abducted children are returned alive. Here are the stats I posted in the last thread -

These are the statistics that the U.S. Dept of Justice and NCMEC go by, the NISMART 2 statistics. I've included all 3 types of abductions - family abductions, non-family abductions, and stereotypical kidnappings -

For non-family abductions in the U.S. including stereotypical kidnappings -

Episode outcomes
Non-family abductions - Child returned alive - 99%
Stereotypical kidnappings - Child returned alive - 57%

Page 10 Table 7
Nonfamily Abducted Children: National Estimates and Characteristics
http://www.ojjdp.gov/publications/P...usPage=PubResults&strSortby=&p=&strPubSearch=

For family abductions in the U.S. -

Episode outcome - Child returned - 91%

Page 7 Table 6
Children Abducted by Family Members: National Estimates and Characteristics
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/196466.pdf

I consider 3/4 of a population to be "most" but maybe that's just me.

 

[asyousay]

Melissa Blasius:
Do you blame yourself, too, a little bit?

Mark Redwine:
I… normally wouldn’t, but I do… I do blame myself. I relive this 1,000 times, and every time, it comes back to… I seen him laying on the couch and I didn’t try hard enough maybe to wake him up, to have him come with me, knowing that he had talked about going to spend time with his friends, and letting him sleep what he does so many times before…I beat myself up over that constantly. But that’s not… that’s not helping me… and it’s not helping Dylan.

From Melissa Blasius Interview Uncut w/ Mark Redwine available in Media/Timeline

Thank you so much . I find it intriging that he feels guilt over that when IMO it should be the fact he arrives home and thinks nothing of not being able to reach his son and his son has vanished with all his stuff . :cow:

ETA- I mean that there was nothing amiss at 6:30am so nobody can blame Mark for not getting Dylan up at that stage!

 

[Eileen730]

Has Mark even said he feels guilty that he did not react sooner to Dylan being gone ?

I think most parents would play the " what if game " and if Mark is innocent then his nap time lost precious hours :cow:

Personally I dont think he was napping!
JMO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

NANCY GRACE TRANSCRIPT
"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don’t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark. I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html



Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshall’s Office.
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/...ts-wait-wonder


Dylan Redwine's father, Mark Redwine, reported the 13-year-old missing midday Nov. 19 from his house in the Vallecito area, about 22 miles northeast of Durango.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...edwines-father-does-not-call-father-a-suspect

Mark reported Dylan as missing a little before 5 p.m. Monday after he was unable to find him during the afternoon.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...in-bayfield-area-for-missing-dylan-redwine-13

Mark Redwine alerted law enforcement about Dylan’s absence just before 6 p.m. Nov. 19, Bender said.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...ment-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

Thanks TxJan

theres confusion about the time MR reported Dylan missing, so II'll go with sometime between 5-6pm until we have better information, although I do think it was closer to 6pm.

 

[TxLady2]

they don't need to hunt them down, all it would take is a phone call to the telephone company and they get the number, address and account holders details real quick.

I'm sorry, you missed the point. It was probably several different people. LE doesn't have the resources to track that many people down without knowing what the threats consisted of. Unless he recorded these calls, or they were on his voicemail and he saved them, how is LE going to know which calls to his phone were threats and which ones were not?

Who knows if he even reported this to LE? A lot of men wouldn't bother, they would just take steps to protect themselves... like keep a gun handy.

 

[Eileen730]

It's interesting that Elaine is the one who actually reacts more strongly to Dylan being missing that Mark . Straight away she is the one who says call the cops and seemingly knows something is amiss as her reaction is quick and swift :cow:

Ya know I wonder if her saying that (call the cops)
was a surprise to him?
Maybe he thought she would drop everything and drive there and confront him
because he has done this before. Maybe he had a bigger plan!

Him meeting the lawyer that morning is important I think!

Just a thought!

 

[mmmagique]

Removed because someone else had the direct quote.

Nothing to see here...nm....

 

[TxLady2]

It's interesting that Elaine is the one who actually reacts more strongly to Dylan being missing that Mark . Straight away she is the one who says call the cops and seemingly knows something is amiss as her reaction is quick and swift :cow:

Isn't that pretty typical though? I know I react a lot differently at first with some things than my hubby does when it concerns one of our kids. I tend to panic and he doesn't.

Even though it does seem odd that he waited that long to report Dylan missing to LE, I would bet he is not the only father who has done this, and probably not the last. Men pride themselves on staying calm, while they expect their womenfolk to fall apart.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I'm sorry, you missed the point. It was probably several different people. LE doesn't have the resources to track that many people down without knowing what the threats consisted of. Unless he recorded these calls, or they were on his voicemail and he saved them, how is LE going to know which calls to his phone were threats and which ones were not?

Who knows if he even reported this to LE? A lot of men wouldn't bother, they would just take steps to protect themselves... like keep a gun handy.

I didn't miss that it could be a number of people. if the times of those calls were noted then yes LE would know which calls they were.


if he thought a threat was serious enough to keep a loaded gun on the table then he seriously should have reported them to LE.

 

[TxJan1971]

Thanks TxJan

theres confusion about the time MR reported Dylan missing, so II'll go with sometime between 5-6pm until we have better information, although I do think it was closer to 6pm.

Yes, and I believe of all the links provided, the last link may be the only one from LE which says 6:00 p.m.

Others are reporter statements perhaps as a result of information provided to them by ???? (to the best of my recollection).

I realize MR stated something about there being confusion on what time he actually went to Marshall's office, but since there has been nothing formally stated in MSM by LE what time he showed up at Marshall's office, I have nothing further to provide to back up MR's statements other than the links shown.

 

[ColdHands]

Isn't that pretty typical though? I know I react a lot differently at first with some things than my hubby does when it concerns one of our kids. I tend to panic and he doesn't.

Even though it does seem odd that he waited that long to report Dylan missing to LE, I would bet he is not the only father who has done this, and probably not the last. Men pride themselves on staying calm, while they expect their womenfolk to fall apart.

Do we know that Mark and Elaine did not talk to each other on the phone at all? I've listened to the Dr Phil clip a few times now but the comment about not speaking to each other is nonspecific as to timeframe.

The reason I ask is because if I was told that my son was missing, my first reaction would be, well did you check here and here? did you talk to these kids? do you have so and so's phone number? Ok - I'll call X and Y and you see if you can find the phone number for A, B, and C.

That communication could have happened, and I'm sure Elaine did make all those kinds of calls herself on her way down in the car and we just don't know about it.

I am sure it was her instinct kicking in because of her history with Mark and some underlying/subconscious concern about Dylan's visit. I am not saying this to be negative.

I am wondering what information was actually exchanged between Mark and Elaine on Monday, that caused Elaine to have such a strong reaction.

 

[Eileen730]

Isn't that pretty typical though? I know I react a lot differently at first with some things than my hubby does when it concerns one of our kids. I tend to panic and he doesn't.

Even though it does seem odd that he waited that long to report Dylan missing to LE, I would bet he is not the only father who has done this, and probably not the last. Men pride themselves on staying calm, while they expect their womenfolk to fall apart.

Question dont you think your husbands would call you and say hey I cant seem to locate Dylan he was here when I left now hes gone has he called you?
Lets call his friends I dont have the numbers.
Should we call LE?

 

[The Cheese]

I consider 3/4 of a population to be "most" but maybe that's just me.

The population you referred to is abducted children. The document you gave for reference with the 3/4 is not abducted children. It's abducted children who are murdered.

Of all abducted children, less than 1% are murdered. Not 3/4. Even among the population of abducted children with the highest murder rate - stereotypical kidnappings - it's not 3/4 who are murdered - most of them are returned alive.

Again, from your document -

n 76 percent of the murders of an abducted child, the child was murdered within 3 hours of the abduction;

That ^^^ is referring to the less than 1% population of abducted children who are murdered.

 

[scorekeeper]

Isn't that pretty typical though? I know I react a lot differently at first with some things than my hubby does when it concerns one of our kids. I tend to panic and he doesn't.

Even though it does seem odd that he waited that long to report Dylan missing to LE, I would bet he is not the only father who has done this, and probably not the last. Men pride themselves on staying calm, while they expect their womenfolk to fall apart.

If most men/most women.....

Most men would get kinda' loud with their kid to "get up" and "get your a$$ in gear" kinda stuff.........

Most women would try to put the guilt trip on their kid "please get up, I don't want to have to make 2 trips to town"

just saying....JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Do we know that Mark and Elaine did not talk to each other on the phone at all? I've listened to the Dr Phil clip a few times now but the comment about not speaking to each other is nonspecific as to timeframe.

The reason I ask is because if I was told that my son was missing, my first reaction would be, well did you check here and here? did you talk to these kids? do you have so and so's phone number? Ok - I'll call X and Y and you see if you can find the phone number for A, B, and C.

That communication could have happened, and I'm sure Elaine did make all those kinds of calls herself on her way down in the car and we just don't know about it.

I am sure it was her instinct kicking in because of her history with Mark and some underlying/subconscious concern about Dylan's visit. I am not saying this to be negative.

I am wondering what information was actually exchanged between Mark and Elaine on Monday, that caused Elaine to have such a strong reaction.

Yes I saw that I think I read its been 3 years!
And I agree it could be something said that makes her think the way she does. JMO