CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[nikb]

That is on the Facebook page if you look . The scudele for Monday morning was aimed at 4 year olds . I am sure LE have also looked into to see if it was something a nearly 14 year old boy would of watched . Coz I know no teenagers that would watch shows aimed at 4 year olds .

:cow:

Depends on which of the Nickelodeon channels the TV was on, though. There are something like 5 different channels, at least two of which looked like they might appeal to someone Dylan's age. It was linked earlier so credit goes to whoever linked it earlier (thanks and sorry I can't recall who it was!), but here it is again: http://www.nick.com/shows/tvschedule. There are tabs showing each of the channels. For example Monday morning 2/25at 8:00 (just randomly picked a time):

Nickelodeon: Spongebob Squarepants
Nicktoons: Power Rangers Samurai
Nick@nite: Nick News Special (before and after is Full House, later in the morning is The Nanny, and a couple episodes of Friends later in the day also - so definitely an older target market)
Teennick: Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide (looks like Jr. High / early High School age?)
nickjr: Oswald (looks like a very young target audience)

I don't have kids so I'm guessing on target ages, but there's definitely a large range of Nickelodeon channels. I don't know if it's a deal where if you get one Nick channel you get them all, or if it depends on the cable/satellite plan.

 

[asyousay]

Depends on which of the Nickelodeon channels the TV was on, though. There are something like 5 different channels, at least two of which looked like they might appeal to someone Dylan's age. It was linked earlier so credit goes to whoever linked it earlier (thanks and sorry I can't recall who it was!), but here it is again: http://www.nick.com/shows/tvschedule. There are tabs showing each of the channels. For example Monday morning 2/25at 8:00 (just randomly picked a time):

Nickelodeon: Spongebob Squarepants
Nicktoons: Power Rangers Samurai
Nick@nite: Nick News Special (before and after is Full House, later in the morning is The Nanny, and a couple episodes of Friends later in the day also - so definitely an older target market)
Teennick: Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide (looks like Jr. High / early High School age?)
nickjr: Oswald (looks like a very young target audience)

I don't have kids so I'm guessing on target ages, but there's definitely a large range of Nickelodeon channels. I don't know if it's a deal where if you get one Nick channel you get them all, or if it depends on the cable/satellite plan.

In the Uk it depends on the package you have and if Dylan was there once every 3 months or so I can't see Mark spending extra $$ per month on channels he never watches :cow:

 

[katydid23]

Ok, hypothetical.....

Let's say something fatal happened to Dylan at 8:01ish. At 9:37 (an hour and a half after fatality) a text was sent. It seems as though said text was sent from an itouch, which requires wi/fi. So, MR fatally harms Dylan, goes home to text from the itouch and then....what? Was Dylan left in the truck while MR went home to text? If he was in the truck, LE would probably know this right? Did MR leave him at the site of the fatality, hoping no one (or nothing) came across the body? I'm in no way being snarky. I have been thinking of how this could happen since the 9:37 text became public knowledge. This 9:37 text is somehow a clue and I'm trying to make it work with the public opinion of MR did it. MOO, IMO, JMO, HYPOTHETICALMOOOO

Hypothetically speaking... Dylan and his dad get into an argument on the way home. They first argued about Dylan not getting to go to his friends that night, then Dad is trying to talk to him about his new house and his new stepfather, and they argue about that too because Mark starts talking smack about them.

Dylan talks back to his dad and Marks not used to that, but Dylan has grown up since he is almost 14 now. Mark grabs D's cell because he has been texting and being rude. D gets mad about that and is seething.

They get back to the house, D stomps in and ignores his Dad...who is still angry about how 'ungrateful' his kid is acting. Dad goes to his room, MAYBE drinks a little to calm down. He stews for awhile, then decides to apologize. He goes to D and finds him texting from his i-pod. NOW Mark is angry, because he had taken the cell away and told him to stop texting his friends and there is D going behind his back. They argue, and D says " PEACE OUT--I'm out of here." And he grabs his stuff and leaves, intending to walk to his friends house or calling for a ride, but first he has to get his cell back from Dad. Maybe they tussle over it. OR maybe he just walks out angry and Dad follows, and the fight takes place down the road somewhere, when Mark catches up to him. All it takes is one angry punch.

 

[SpicySun]

My youngest son is now 19, and up until a year ago was still watching Nickelodeon.

As a matter of fact, when he is home for visits, he still occasionally watches 'Spongebob' (as do I :blushing: )

Also remember when he was younger, that was his favourite station.

Point taken. As we in our house watch A LOT of Nick, as well and my youngest is 15.

But after reviewing the programming on most of the Nick channels. The programs on between 830am-1130am are mostly aimed at young children 4-7 yr olds, children who are preschool ages.

Sponge Bob and shows that older children and teens prefer are usually not on during those times, they are shown in the afternoon, eve and early am (until 830am.) Unless there was some sort of special holiday programming for that week due to the holidays...

Of course there is the possibility that DR liked younger shows (like Max and Ruby, Dora, Oswald,etc) or that the tv was actually on TeenNick or that he had just put the tv on for noise as he went about his morning or that it was left on that channel from the night before. But, I read that previously quoted statement to mean that the TV was on Nickelodeon and was on when MR returned at 1130am?

I just think that it might put the time that DR might have been watching tv at an earlier time... It was just a thought that my son had after I ran some of the details of this case by him. He said, "Nothing is good on Nick in the mornings, Mom. That's one of the things that sucks about being homeschooled." haha... teenagers.

MOO IMO, etc etc

 

[katydid23]

I've noticed that when people commit a crime they are going to have to report, they put it off as long as possible. Most of the time, I think it's because they are psyching themselves up for the big acting debut, but I'm sure part of it is going over and over everything, and making sure they didn't miss anything that would get them busted.

They often try to get someone else to "discover" the crime, and barring that, like to have someone with them when they "discover" the crime.

He couldn't have someone else "discover" the crime without looking like a real cad of a dad. He *had* to report it before it got much later. But yes, I believe that *if* he had anything to do with Dylan's disappearance, he put it off for the reasons I outlined above.

It also seemed like he was stalling until darkness fell before he made the official report. That slowed down the search by 12 hours.

 

[Eileen730]

Was Mark at the search yesterday?

 

[Eileen730]

I dont think he made it to the house.
I think they got out of the truck had a fight.
There is no crime scene.
I think he is in the lake back pack and cell phone.

JMO

 

[asyousay]

I dont think he made it to the house.
I think they got out of the truck had a fight.
There is no crime scene.
I think he is in the lake back pack and cell phone.

JMO

I can buy into this as I think there was some kind of a disagreement . From the time of the texts (IMO) Dylan was not happy and I can't see him not being a typical moody teen when told no ... :cow:

He wanted to see Ryan that night and that's documented via the texts and even more so the next morning which is why I don't buy a hyper kid who had got about 7 hours sleep refused to get up . :cow:

 

[Eileen730]

I can buy into this as I think there was some kind of a disagreement . From the time of the texts (IMO) Dylan was not happy and I can't see him not being a typical moody teen when told no ... :cow:

He wanted to see Ryan that night and that's documented via the texts and even more so the next morning which is why I don't buy a hyper kid who had got about 7 hours sleep refused to get up . :cow:

Sadly he COULD have said things like I didnt come here to see YOU i really only came to see my friends. If you wont take me to my friends ill take myself. I dont want to stay with Ill call MOM to come get me.
they fight!

ETC

JMO

 

[TxLady2]

I am not sure. If in fact his phone stopped communicating on Sunday night, would that be proof that Dylan was "disappeared" Sunday night? I mean, enough to charge MR? Couldn't it also theoretically mean that his phone ceased working for good?(coincidental as that would be, in my view).

Now if that last text did not come from the house, that would be another issue, and should be enough to charge him, I would think, since he claimed they never left the house once they got there shortly after 8pm. That would make the whole evening a lie.

But I am not sure how specific the locale can be determined in such a rural area.

With all due respect... Charge him with what? They don't know yet what crime has been committed. There is no proof that Dylan is dead.

IMO, they need a lot more evidence than the phone being off. If that last text at 9:37 was sent from another location besides Mark's house, then I think we would have heard about it. Why would they mention that but not mention if it had been sent from somewhere he was not supposed to be at that time?

 

[Eileen730]

With all due respect... Charge him with what? They don't know yet what crime has been committed. There is no proof that Dylan is dead.

IMO, they need a lot more evidence than the phone being off. If that last text at 9:37 was sent from another location besides Mark's house, then I think we would have heard about it. Why would they mention that but not mention if it had been sent from somewhere he was not supposed to be at that time?

But what if the text came from the house but there is nothing to prove he made it to the house?

 

[Eileen730]

Something happend on that ride home!


JMO

 

[TxLady2]

You're correct when you stated (his phone ceased working.)

<modsnip>

Any of the above could be why Dylan's cell phone stopped communicating <modsnip> November 18 2012, and has never communicated with any cell tower since.

Dylan was an avid texter, and all the sudden Dylan stopped texting Sunday night November 18 2012.

Just jumping off your post, and this is not directed at you or anyone in particular.

This statement I bolded has always bothered me. Going by some theories that have been presented here, if Dylan was such an avid texter, then I am assuming that Mark was aware of that fact. So why would he suddenly become so outraged if Dylan was texting on his phone on the way home or in the home? He had just had Dylan there in Sept. and I would assume Dylan did not just become an avid texter between then and the week before Thanksgiving. So I would love for someone to explain to me why it would have caused Mark to lose control and kill him because of his texting. That makes no sense to me. From what he has said in interviews, it didn't seem to bother him much, but that's just my feelings.

 

[Eileen730]

Just jumping off your post, and this is not directed at you or anyone in particular.

This statement I bolded has always bothered me. Going by some theories that have been presented here, if Dylan was such an avid texter, then I am assuming that Mark was aware of that fact. So why would he suddenly become so outraged if Dylan was texting on his phone on the way home or in the home? He had just had Dylan there in Sept. and I would assume Dylan did not just become an avid texter between then and the week before Thanksgiving. So I would love for someone to explain to me why it would have caused Mark to lose control and kill him because of his texting. That makes no sense to me. From what he has said in interviews, it didn't seem to bother him much, but that's just my feelings.

Because Dylan wanted to see his friends more than Dad.
Dad wanted his attention and maybe told him to put the phone down.
From what I understand MR had not spoken to D since he last saw him in sept. He didnt call or text him before the trip. this man that was so involved in Dylans life and had this special relationship that Elaine was jealous of.
Kids text....and they text alot Im sure ER has the records to prove it.
I went into shock when I saw how many texts my son did in a month(25,000)
with 4 phone calls lol

 

[Ten-96]

The reporter's phone ringing inside Mark's house where he deems the signal to be spotty doesn't say anything to me. I think reception depends on the carrier. Inside my house I get a lovely signal on my cell phone, yet my sister has to walk out to the top of the driveway to get any signal at all. Different carriers.

Dylan's friend's comment about Dylan's propensity to show up randomly speaks volumes to me of the possibility that Dylan came to shortly after Mark left the home and decided to head out instead of waiting for his dad to return. ("show up randomly" also says to me "without calling first.") I sure wouldn't embark on a 20 mile journey walking or hitching or whatever without checking that there was someone at my destination expecting me, but I am not 13. It has been said many times here, and it's my own personal experience that we can't expect a 13 year old to make sense always.

I love that age group and think their unpredictability is part of their charm. One minute they are wise as Solomon and in the next breath they are clueless as a puppy. It's just the way they're wired.

 

[TxLady2]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129528/-1/news01&source=RSS

Battle may have been a strong word. However, imo, if a court order had to be obtained, it was not an agreement between parents. A court had to make a decision. I cannot imagine ER getting a court order forcing MR to take DR. So it seems logical the MR wanted DR for Thanksgiving.

It is all my opinion as to one theory. It's not my only theory. Just the basis for this one theory of premeditation.

This is just my thoughts on this, but it bothers me that the media has emphasized that this visit was court-ordered. ANY visitation agreement is court-ordered. All that means is that when the judge allows the other parent to have visitation, the schedule is worked out between the parents and their lawyers and the judge signs off on it. Maybe not to one or the other parents' liking but judges prefer the child to have at least some time with the other parent, they don't like cutting off all contact between them.

The point is, whether the parents or their lawyers agree or disagree, the judge has the final say. The way this is presented in the media makes it almost sound like Elaine was trying to keep him from seeing Dylan at all, and the mean old judge forced Dylan to visit him anyway. I doubt that is even close to the truth, but I really don't know, it's JMO.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Depends on which of the Nickelodeon channels the TV was on, though. There are something like 5 different channels, at least two of which looked like they might appeal to someone Dylan's age. It was linked earlier so credit goes to whoever linked it earlier (thanks and sorry I can't recall who it was!), but here it is again: http://www.nick.com/shows/tvschedule. There are tabs showing each of the channels. For example Monday morning 2/25at 8:00 (just randomly picked a time):

Nickelodeon: Spongebob Squarepants
Nicktoons: Power Rangers Samurai
Nick@nite: Nick News Special (before and after is Full House, later in the morning is The Nanny, and a couple episodes of Friends later in the day also - so definitely an older target market)
Teennick: Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide (looks like Jr. High / early High School age?)
nickjr: Oswald (looks like a very young target audience)

I don't have kids so I'm guessing on target ages, but there's definitely a large range of Nickelodeon channels. I don't know if it's a deal where if you get one Nick channel you get them all, or if it depends on the cable/satellite plan.

Depends on your TV plan.

My kids that are Dylan's age or older would watch all of those except NickJr. They love Power Rangers, even the 15yo. They also love Avatar, Legend of Korra, and so many more. The Nick channel thing didn't strike me as odd at all.

 

[scorekeeper]

Was Mark at the search yesterday?

I did not see him in any of the pictures posted.

 

[Eileen730]

I think they keep saying Court Ordered because it was.

It wasnt a situation where they were on good enuff terms to send the kids unless they had to.

Like if Mark calld Elaine and said hey I have BB tickets this weekend can I take Dylan along and Elaine says SURE! Let me ask Dylan!

JMO

MR wanted D there that week and hadnt even made any plans!
Red flag to me!

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Just checking in everyone :seeya:

I see where still having the same debate, with a few more tidbits. I've missed the last few tidbits here, but have been trying to follow the news.

Hoping for answers soon lease: