CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[Eileen730]

I did not see him in any of the pictures posted.

I didnt either!
I saw MH there.

 

[catswhiskers]

This is just my thoughts on this, but it bothers me that the media has emphasized that this visit was court-ordered. ANY visitation agreement is court-ordered. All that means is that when the judge allows the other parent to have visitation, the schedule is worked out between the parents and their lawyers and the judge signs off on it. Maybe not to one or the other parents' liking but judges prefer the child to have at least some time with the other parent, they don't like cutting off all contact between them.

The point is, whether the parents or their lawyers agree or disagree, the judge has the final say. The way this is presented in the media makes it almost sound like Elaine was trying to keep him from seeing Dylan at all, and the mean old judge forced Dylan to visit him anyway. I doubt that is even close to the truth, but I really don't know, it's JMO.

I agree - almost every report has mentioned "court ordered" visitation, which immediately sounds like Dylan didn't want to go, or was being forced by the courts to spend time with his dad.

 

[Eileen730]

The reporter's phone ringing inside Mark's house where he deems the signal to be spotty doesn't say anything to me. I think reception depends on the carrier. Inside my house I get a lovely signal on my cell phone, yet my sister has to walk out to the top of the driveway to get any signal at all. Different carriers.

Dylan's friend's comment about Dylan's propensity to show up randomly speaks volumes to me of the possibility that Dylan came to shortly after Mark left the home and decided to head out instead of waiting for his dad to return. ("show up randomly" also says to me "without calling first.") I sure wouldn't embark on a 20 mile journey walking or hitching or whatever without checking that there was someone at my destination expecting me, but I am not 13. It has been said many times here, and it's my own personal experience that we can't expect a 13 year old to make sense always.

I love that age group and think their unpredictability is part of their charm. One minute they are wise as Solomon and in the next breath they are clueless as a puppy. It's just the way they're wired.

I do not think he walked out that door to go to bayfield.
If he did he would be on his bike.
but no he grabbed a fishing pole!

JMO

 

[catswhiskers]

Depends on your TV plan.

My kids that are Dylan's age or older would watch all of those except NickJr. They love Power Rangers, even the 15yo. They also love Avatar, Legend of Korra, and so many more. The Nick channel thing didn't strike me as odd at all.

Me neither - my 13 year old loves Spongebob!

 

[Eileen730]

I agree - almost every report has mentioned "court ordered" visitation, which immediately sounds like Dylan didn't want to go, or was being forced by the courts to spend time with his dad.

Well that might be exactly what it is!

JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

The update on the official FB page (about 13 hours ago) talked about opening up 5 holes close to where the previous HRD dogs were, plus cutting away a 6th hole near the flow channel. She also stated that they didn't have any new information nor do they know anymore than they did.

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

So what does that mean? The previous dogs had hits in the area. Does this mean that the dogs yesterday also got hits?

 

[catswhiskers]

I think they keep saying Court Ordered because it was.

It wasnt a situation where they were on good enuff terms to send the kids unless they had to.

Like if Mark calld Elaine and said hey I have BB tickets this weekend can I take Dylan along and Elaine says SURE! Let me ask Dylan!

JMO

MR wanted D there that week and hadnt even made any plans!
Red flag to me!

Or after Elaine was granted permission to take Dylan to Colorado Springs and physical custody, the courts sorted the recommended visitation schedule as a matter of course. And it makes sense that long weekends or holiday periods would be the target times to be divided up between the parents. :moo:

 

[Kamille]

What do we need to do to get the same info from LaPlata to see the SW served? Do we just need to call and cite the FOIA?

I would imagine the warrant is sealed. If media were interested enough I suppose they could take steps through their legal dept to try to get it unsealed. But I don't see any media in the area interested enough to do that. And there is no guarantee a judge would release it anyway.

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

or after elaine was granted permission to take dylan to colorado springs and physical custody, the courts sorted the recommended visitation schedule as a matter of course. And it makes sense that long weekends or holiday periods would be the target times to be divided up between the parents. :moo:

deleated!


Nothing!


Jmo

 

[Kamille]

When I say convince me, I mean make the facts we have fit. I've heard so many times it's a no brainer that Mark did it. I'm just asking to show me that way. If it's such a no brainer, then address the facts as we know them. Until that time comes, don't call me out for thinking otherwise.

The only "facts" we have are that Dylan was last physically accounted for at 7:22pm. He was with his father at this time. His communication device(s) were last accounted for at 9:37pm. His father reported him missing at 6pm the next day. He and everything that he brought with him to Bayfield are missing.

Nothing MR has said is considered fact.

These facts do not fit in with a stranger abduction. They indicate that something happened to Dylan after 9:37pm on the evening of Nov 18, 2012.

MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

But ya know what bothers me CatW he didnt even bother to call him before this trip.

Hey Im so glad you comming i cant wait to see you is there anything special you would like to do anywhere you want to go?


NOTHING!


JMO

do you have a link for that?

 

[Ten-96]

But ya know what bothers me CatW he didnt even bother to call him before this trip.

Hey Im so glad you comming i cant wait to see you is there anything special you would like to do anywhere you want to go?


NOTHING!


JMO

I don't remember that being the case, but it's entirely possible I missed something.

 

[Eileen730]

do you have a link for that?

Ill LOOK it was in one of Elaines interviews when she asked Dylan if his father contacted him and he said NO!

Im going to go search for it if i cant find ill delete it.
I KNOW she said it!

 

[Eileen730]

ILL delete it but yes its true
She said he didnt contact him.

and Ill find the link if it tAKES me all day!

 

[fedfan4life]

I am trying to think of what kind of leverage could be used against Mr. Redwine to compel him to reveal the truth. Question: What does he value the most? What could be taken away from him - or threatened to be taken away from him - that would rock him to his foundation?

I would say his freedom, but we know that does not always work (see Skelton case). I am afraid that punishing Elaine means more to this individual than even his freedom. And, that goal has been spectacurately accomplished.

Of course, the answer for most folks is his/her kids. But, well, there's no need to elaborate on that in this case. There's no leverage there.

Honestly, I am afraid there is nothing to use 'against' him, and this makes me very, very sad...

 

[MissJ]

With court ordered visitation here, my nieces have to go with their Dad even if they cry and scream and beg not to go. They do beg and scream. The judge has said he will put their Mother in jail if they don't go. MOO and thats how it is here.

 

[TxLady2]

This is the second time I've seen this parental alienation theory come up. There's no evidence of ER poisoning the minds of her children against MR. Parental alienation has already been thrown out there in regard to BOTH of MR's exes. More poor Mark. All MOO

Children don't grow up hating their father for no reason. It is quite often speculated that he is a cold-blooded killer, and there is no basis for that theory either, that I've seen.

I would just like to know what he did to deserve the hatred of two ex-wives. Other than one incident which happened several years ago, I don't see that he's been nearly deserving of the accusations that have been tossed around about how horrible a person he is. And we have yet to see any reasons why his older sons despise him and want nothing to do with him. How did they come to that decision? Maybe it's none of our business, but it sure would help ME to understand why so many people believe he could kill his son.

I am in no way accusing either ex-wife of alienating their children against him. But women have done this since the beginning of time, it's a natural defense for some women. If they can turn the kids against Daddy, then they are assured that the kids will love Mommy more and want to be with her. Or some have done it out of spite for various reasons.

Again...NOT SAYING THIS IS THE SITUATION IN THIS CASE!!!! But it could be a possibility, and every bit as possible as him killing his own son.

JMO, IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[MissJ]

With all due respect... Charge him with what? They don't know yet what crime has been committed. There is no proof that Dylan is dead.

IMO, they need a lot more evidence than the phone being off. If that last text at 9:37 was sent from another location besides Mark's house, then I think we would have heard about it. Why would they mention that but not mention if it had been sent from somewhere he was not supposed to be at that time?

Respectfully since he was the parent that had physical custody he could probably be charged with something. The Skelton boys father was charged with custodial interference when they disappeared on a court ordered Thanksgiving visit with him. No bodies have ever been found but he got 15-20 years anyway.:twocents::moo:

 

[TxLady2]

The reporter's phone ringing inside Mark's house where he deems the signal to be spotty doesn't say anything to me. I think reception depends on the carrier. Inside my house I get a lovely signal on my cell phone, yet my sister has to walk out to the top of the driveway to get any signal at all. Different carriers.

Dylan's friend's comment about Dylan's propensity to show up randomly speaks volumes to me of the possibility that Dylan came to shortly after Mark left the home and decided to head out instead of waiting for his dad to return. ("show up randomly" also says to me "without calling first.") I sure wouldn't embark on a 20 mile journey walking or hitching or whatever without checking that there was someone at my destination expecting me, but I am not 13. It has been said many times here, and it's my own personal experience that we can't expect a 13 year old to make sense always.

I love that age group and think their unpredictability is part of their charm. One minute they are wise as Solomon and in the next breath they are clueless as a puppy. It's just the way they're wired.

In my experience it can also be the difference in phones. On my old phone, I could make and take calls and text sitting right there on my sofa. On the last two phones I've had, I have to be standing at the door or outside on the porch to get a good signal. We are on AT&T, and I think my middle son and his wife are on Verizon. They can use their iPhones inside my house when they're here, but my youngest son who lives here cannot use his iPhone unless he props it up against his window to text, or goes out on the porch to answer or make a call.

 

[TxLady2]

I do not think he walked out that door to go to bayfield.
If he did he would be on his bike.
but no he grabbed a fishing pole!

JMO

How do you know he would be on his bike? What if the tires were flat? If he was going to fish, he wouldn't ride a bike, and especially if he thought he could get a ride.