CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[Flutterflies]

I read that the Dr. Phil show has generated lots of tips. I hope that this whole thing leads to finding Dylan. Alive.

Yes, I agree. I choose Hope. Hope for Dylan to be alive and well. Not in the lake waiting to be recovered.

The FB likes have almost doubled since the DP airings…19,350 right now!

Katt has asked for only tips to be inboxed as she is getting too many messages that need to be posted instead of inbox.

I am trying to figure out the tip from person V who talks about a man saying he is the boys father. This was at an rv park, maybe in Oregon. So V did not say it was Mark. The boy looks like Dylan. Two interesting notation are made: Colorado and the boy had a bewildered type look on his face when V asked if he has been able to talk to his mother per computer and the boy said NO - this goes along with what we know of Elaine and Dylan having no contact.

 

[Seajay]

I believe that everyone hoped that the DP show would provide more answers, good or bad. I believe the families and producers probably walked away more upset with each other than they did coming on the show. I hope that the mother remains positively focused on Dylan and doesn't worry about what the father has or hasn't done.


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I agree. That's what she should be doing. It's obvious that MR isn't going to help her out in this. That ship sailed years ago apparently. And that's not just his fault. It took two of them for them not to speak in 3 years. Two. Not one. And the animosity goes both ways. Not one. No one is 100% blameless when a marriage goes belly up. IMO Both have a part in it.

 

[katydid23]

I think in MR's mind, the minute Dr. Phil got aggressive with him in this questioning, he shut down. He no longer trusted Dr. Phil. And once Dr. Phil lost his trust, that was it. He was not going to cooperate with anything.

I believe I heard at one point that MR's expectation was the show was going to be focused on Dylan. I don't believe he had it in his mind that he was going to be the focus and that he was going to be surrounded my accusers. I think people are giving him too much credit to think that he would know ahead of time he'd be asked to take a polygraph. Why would he??? This isn't the police department, so why would he call them and tell them to give him one first? If anything the show should have let MR know what their intention might be and prepare him for that. I honestly believe MR was blindsided by this.

How would he be blindsided by it? Dr Phil is known for giving polygraphs to his guests to settle disputes. People were discussing it on the various FBs for weeks ahead of time. The big question was " Will MR take the poly?"

So if he was blindsided than he is clueless and out of touch with reality, imo.

And Dylan was the focus of the show. Where is DYLAN? That was the focus of the show.

MR dragged his feet and was very reluctant to appear on the show. Imo, he knew darn well they were going to ask him to take a poly.

 

[jn0920]

Agreed! Marriage is a two person deal.

I also saw the post from "V". I found it interesting that the boy acted the way he did when asked about his mom. I hope this is Dylan and he is just being held safely somewhere.


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[Money Girl]

Like what questions? I don't think she has any questions other than the obvious ones she asked him repeatedly. Where is our son? ...Did you hurt him?

Oh, o.k. I didn't know she only had 2 questions. Surprised it took a protest in front of MR's home and a 2-day DP show for her to ask those 2 questions.

I have heard MR answer these many times. His answers were: (1) I don't know where Dylan is and I did not harm Dylan.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

 

[jn0920]

MR dragged his feet and was very reluctant to appear on the show. Imo, he knew darn well they were going to ask him to take a poly.

"respectfully sniped"

Unless MR has never seen DP I agree that he knew DP would ask for a poly. The lack of emotion from MR truly concerned me and if it turns out he has nothing to do with this, I hope he realizes the public and DP's concern with his behavior.



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[asyousay]

Mark knew exactly what he was getting into when he agreed to the show IMO

He could of watched past episodes of the show to see what he was getting into and so :cow: only a person with something to hide would behave like he did .

 

[katydid23]

I agree. That's what she should be doing. It's obvious that MR isn't going to help her out in this. That ship sailed years ago apparently. And that's not just his fault. It took two of them for them not to speak in 3 years. Two. Not one. And the animosity goes both ways. Not one. No one is 100% blameless when a marriage goes belly up. IMO Both have a part in it.

I don't really care about their marriage going belly up. Nor their animosity. I just want to get a straight story from him about his missing son.

 

[Abstar80]

(snipped by me for space and bolded for emphasis)

This literally happens all the time. It has happened personally to me and my child. Many organizations exist that are trying to change laws so that child safety is the #1 concern judges must consider in crafting visitation plans. Some of these great organizations are:

DV Leap: http://www.dvleap.org/
The Leadership Council: http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/
The Center for Judicial Excellence: http://www.centerforjudicialexcellence.org/

It's also a major part of the current agenda for the National Organization for Women (NOW) as highlighted in their Fall 2012 Newsletter: http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/family/FamilyLawNewsletter-Fall2012.pdf

It happened to Prince Rams, here is his mother's heartbreaking blog: http://cappuccinoqueen.com/?page_id=17

It happened to Charlie and Braden Powell and Anthony and Austin and Athena Castillo and Ryan Managiele and many many others. We don't know that it happened to Dylan, but we know it IS happening.

I'll be at the Battered Mother's Custody Conference at Georgetown University in May looking to get some additional protections put in place for children's rights to safety in family court. I hope other WSers who are sick of seeing cases like those named above will stand behind us!

I do apologise if my post seemed antagonising in any way shape or form. That was not my intention at all.

My post was also with all due respect to the judge presiding over the family court case of the Redwines.

I guess it stuck in my brain because I am sure i heard in the MB interview of EH her say something to the affect of "the records are sealed. I don't know why they were sealed by the court but they were"

Full credit to you Irish Eyes and your courage to stand up for women and children who have suffered at the hands of abusers. I have always believed that children should be the number one priority in any situation. I am sorry to hear that you had a bad experience at the hands of the court system. I sincerely hope you and your child have been able to move forward from that.

 

[Seajay]

"respectfully sniped"

Unless MR has never seen DP I agree that he knew DP would ask for a poly. The lack of emotion from MR truly concerned me and if it turns out he has nothing to do with this, I hope he realizes the public and DP's concern with his behavior.



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To me, it's like the minute he realized this wasn't going to be all about Dylan, but him instead and that DP was zeroing in on him and expecting answers, the shut down. I think it's a defense mechanism. I know people who do this. If they feel they are not going to be heard or they are going to be ganged up on, they just mentally check out. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Oh, o.k. I didn't know she only had 2 questions. Surprised it took a protest in front of MR's home and a 2-day DP show for her to ask those 2 questions.

I have heard MR answer these many times. His answers were: (1) I don't know where Dylan is and I did not harm Dylan.

Thanks for clearing this up for me.

If those were TRUTHFUL answers, then why not take another polygraph?

 

[jn0920]

To me, it's like the minute he realized this wasn't going to be all about Dylan, but him instead and that DP was zeroing in on him and expecting answers, the shut down. I think it's a defense mechanism. I know people who do this. If they feel they are not going to be heard or they are going to be ganged up on, they just mentally check out. IMO

I can fully understand that. I probably would feel the same way if I was in his shoes but I feel that I would want to do anything to clear my name.
I just hope he comes around soon so the family can be stronger together to help find Dylan.



Also has anything been said about how/when or if they are going to check under the ice where the dogs hit. I have tried reading through the threads but due to the DP show airing today it's hard to wade through so many posts. TIA.


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[Seajay]

I can fully understand that. I probably would feel the same way if I was in his shoes but I feel that I would want to do anything to clear my name.
I just hope he comes around soon so the family can be stronger together to help find Dylan.



Also has anything been said about how/when or if they are going to check under the ice where the dogs hit. I have tried reading through the threads but due to the DP show airing today it's hard to wade through so many posts. TIA.


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Not that I'm aware of. I've been reading this thread along with the Dr. Phil thread all along and all I've seen is that the dogs alerted in an area and are pretty much showing there is something there, but I haven't heard how they plan on proceeding from there.

I just think since MR was accused from the beginning, he put a big wall up around himself and he's not letting anyone through. It could be because he's guilty but it also could be because he's in pain as well and having to deal with this suspicion besides, he just is recessing backwards into himself. This could be his only way of dealing with it. Some people just are not good at controversy or drama in their lives. Some people just don't react the way we would think they would. I have a story about that with my DIL and to this day I don't understand it, but I know that's what she did.

 

[jn0920]

I also wonder if it could just be from guilt as well. He might feel guilty that Dylan went missing under his watch, or that he went into work that day and left him alone. People act strangely under stress and sometimes they don't even have a good reasoning for their action.


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[katydid23]

He wouldn't have to deal with the suspicion if he would man up and take a lie detector test. Why doesn't he want to clear his name?

 

[jn0920]

I agree, taking the polygraph would clear his name. Most polygraphs are given under stressful situations so the administrator should know how to tell stress from lying.


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[asyousay]

For the posters who think Dylan is alive , what do you think is happening to him ?

As I think unless Mark is hiding him then I can't imagine anything good is happening to him and being alive and tortered is worse than being dead :cow: ( I don't say this lightly as I'm afraid of death)

IMO

 

[Confusion]

If those were TRUTHFUL answers, then why not take another polygraph?

There could be 100s of reasons for it, but my first thought was that he had taken the first one expecting to pass but didn't, and he's afraid it'll happen again. The thought of having millions of people told that he didn't pass (especially if he isn't guilty) may be more than he can handle.

Other reasons could be:

He doesn't feel like he needs to prove anything to anybody since there's no evidence against him.

He doesn't want to give ER and CR the satisfaction of knowing they "forced" him into it.

He slapped DR and believes he got upset with him and left that morning so he couldn't honestly say he hadn't hit/hurt him.

He saw the video saying that the guy giving the polygraph seems to conclude that everybody lied (just by what was said in that clip, not likely based on his actual tests.)

He really is a nervous wreck and doesn't know how the results might be affected.

He's guilty of doing something.

Many others.

MOO

 

[Seajay]

I also wonder if it could just be from guilt as well. He might feel guilty that Dylan went missing under his watch, or that he went into work that day and left him alone. People act strangely under stress and sometimes they don't even have a good reasoning for their action.


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I know. It's weird. I've seen people in situations and it's amazed me the way they've reacted. If I learned one thing, I've learned that everyone handles things differently and not necessarily the way I would. What I did learn is that we can all say what we think we would do in a situation, but it's another to be IN that situation. When we hear of something and think of how we would deal with it, that's intellectually, without emotion but when you are IN it, and you have the emotion going so strongly, the intellect takes a back seat. Because of emotion, your thinking gets skewered.

 

[Seajay]

There could be 100s of reasons for it, but my first thought was that he had taken the first one expecting to pass but didn't, and he's afraid it'll happen again. The thought of having millions of people told that he didn't pass (especially if he isn't guilty) may be more than he can handle.

Other reasons could be:

He doesn't feel like he needs to prove anything to anybody since there's no evidence against him.

He doesn't want to give ER and CR the satisfaction of knowing they "forced" him into it.

He slapped DR and believes he got upset with him and left that morning so he couldn't honestly say he hadn't hit/hurt him.

He saw the video saying that the guy giving the polygraph seems to conclude that everybody lied (just by what was said in that clip, not likely based on his actual tests.)

He really is a nervous wreck and doesn't know how the results might be affected.

He's guilty of doing something.

Many others.

MOO

I've been running things through my mind since I saw the show. On one hand, I'm so disappointed he just didn't take it and prove everyone wrong. However, I realize in the big scheme of things, it wouldn't have mattered had he taken it and passed it, the same people who already think he had something to do with the disappearance would make excuses for why he passed or that it meant nothing since it wasn't admissable in court anyway. It only matters that he didn't take it, it wouldn't have mattered had he taken it and passed. IMO.