CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[Seek&Find]

Mark constantly blames the suspicion he's under on the problems between him & Cory & Elaine, rather than the circumstances of the case, his conflicting statements, etc. Cory was addressing both why he feels the way he does about Mark and why he suspects Mark's involvement. Mark accused Elaine of poisoning his adult son's opinions, and Cory responded. Given the hateful things Mark has said and done to Cory, it's ludicrous for Mark to expect love and respect in return.

Moo

Btw, Cory, you rock! What a strong, steadfast warrior for your little brother!

 

[rebeccaeee]

Read my post above. You're correct - asking MR to take the test wasn't baiting him and was a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. I don't like how MR handled his answer or the situation, but I understand his reservations after being taken to the woodshed by a man who claimed to be an unbiased observer who would not be passing judgment. Dr. Phil should have kept his cool and been the 'professional' he claims to be. That would've almost certainly resulted in a polygraph being administered - which is what ALL of us wanted for more clarity.He should have manipulated MR through correct technique (empathy and 'comfort' if he is in fact a narcissist rather than accost him knowing what that would probably result in. He failed to do this, and that's unfortunate for all of us - but especially ER and CR.

BBM:
I do not know how you can reach this assertion.

 

[SuperMom1995]

The Dr Phil Special Report is a false rumor. I apologize for even thinking it might be real!

 

[scorekeeper]

https://www.facebook.com/pinerivertimes?ref=ts&fref=ts

some interesting comments from people that were in the audience

under this post

--20 hours ago - He said he admires Elaine and Cory for looking for Dylan

 

[fedfan4life]

Eileen, you just made me LOL .

Tonto,

As others have said repeatedly, Mark Redwine is responsible for his own actions. There is a clear pattern of behavior w/this individual, whether you personally choose to recognize it or not. That is your prerogative. However, the notion that this man would have actually taken the polygraph if Dr. Phil would have been just a bit gentler is pure BULLOCKS. He has had the opportunity to repeat the test over-and-over-and-over-again to no avail. A grown man w/genuine concern for his missing child would muster up the chops to put his ego aside. Mr. Redwine either simply does not want to do so or is incapable of doing so. Either way, the tells are there that this is a father who is intimately involved in the disappearance of his son.

 

[Eileen730]

In my opinion, Dr. Phil looked and sounded sick on the show - he was certainly not in his usual form.

I think its called disgust!

JMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Not all sociopathic individuals (also called antisocial) present as the same. Though many people associate the word "antisocial" with "criminal", it is important to note that a significant number of antisocial individuals are not criminals. Of those who do commit crimes, there is no single "type".

More Here: http://www.lightshouse.org/the-sociopath-parent.html#ixzz2MDqWpPSr

 

[NC Analyzer]

Narcissists make deplorably bad parents. They are too focused on themselves to find children anything but an annoyance or a way to increase admiration and power.

Narcissists have two faces -- the one they wear in public, and the one they wear at home. Only those close to the narcissist have any idea there is more than one face. And the narcissist's children know best of all, because children - those who have the least power - are the ones the narcissist allows him or herself to be the least guarded around.

It's not uncommon for narcissists to be somewhat more agreeable as parents when their children are younger and easier to control.

Some narcissists pay plenty of attention to small children, who make excellent captive audiences that narcissists find fun to impress and manipulate, only to completely turn away from (or turn against) those same children in later years.

Narcissists don't like to be questioned and don't want to deal with children who can stand up for themselves. It's common for some narcissistic parents to become more abusive toward their children when the children reach the age of reason (about 7 years old) or when the children enter into puberty, which many of these parents find very psychologically threatening.

More Here: http://www.lightshouse.org/the-narcissistic-parent.html#ixzz2MDswyBzO

 

[scorekeeper]

I have always wondered why Mark didn't personally go down to the camp ground where the SO is listed as living and ask him some questions about Dylan. I know my ex-husband would have.

 

[*Lash*]

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...d-continues-to-devote-many-resources-to-case/

February 28, 2013 10:12 AM

<snipped>

I was happy to see this - Investigators say they have a wealth of evidence

 

[TxJan1971]

For your information, the FULL TRANSCRIPT from yesterday's Dr. Phil Show - Part 2 - Polygraph Drama has been posted in the Media/Timeline Thread (page 1 of this thread - see Media/Timeline link).

For your convenience, I have attached the link here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8952177&postcount=98"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines*[/ame]

 

[superbee]

AZGrandma, would you feel comfortable sharing details, as you know them, of Mark's childhood? For example, how was he treated by each parent?

Excellent question. I am wondering too!

 

[SCHMAE]

For your information, the FULL TRANSCRIPT from yesterday's Dr. Phil Show - Part 2 - Polygraph Drama has been posted in the Media/Timeline Thread (page 1 of this thread - see Media/Timeline link).

For your convenience, I have attached the link here:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines*

And thank you for ' behind the scenes'? To me the most important 3 words of the whole 2 hours. You're a rock star TXJAN!~

 

[Tonto]

lol. Few of you are getting my point. Dr. Phil did not do a good job in handling his own emotions regardless of his evolving inclinations. This is not conducive to manipulating someone, especially an alleged narcissist/sociopath, into confessing or taking a lie detector test. Put a narcissist's or a sociopath's back against the wall, and he will not cooperate as he will feel he is under attack and/or it becomes a game to him. Empathize with him - even falsely - and more favorable results will likely occur.

Again, this is not a defense for MR. Most certainly MR is responsible for his own decisions and actions. No doubt about it and I've said I don't like how he handled it. However, those decisions and actions could've been influenced differently with a more competent forensic interviewer.

 

[jn0920]

I've worked in a pharmacy for 7 years now and the idea of a medication that makes MR behave the way he did on the show is just that, an idea. Sure he could be on an antidepressant or tranquilizer but those only reduce the anxiety and sadness. They don't prevent someone from being upset/sad about their missing son.

If MR was on a drug like Seroquel or Xypreza it could be different. But his actions do not show me a schizophrenic or someone with similar traits. MR just seems like a regular smug person who is self centered.

Excuse my typos as its from my phone


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[jn0920]

I believe any empathy with MR could have been equally as dangerous, he's not a stupid man.


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[Flutterflies]

I have always wondered why Mark didn't personally go down to the camp ground where the SO is listed as living and ask him some questions about Dylan. I know my ex-husband would have.

Do you have a link quoting MR saying he did not go to the camp ground and ask about Dylan? I may have missed this link. tia

 

[cat28]

lol. Few of you are getting my point. Dr. Phil did not do a good job in handling his own emotions regardless of his evolving inclinations. This is not conducive to manipulating someone, especially an alleged narcissist/sociopath, into confessing or taking a lie detector test. Put a narcissist's or a sociopath's back against the wall, and he will not cooperate as he will feel he is under attack and/or it becomes a game to him. Empathize with him - even falsely - and more favorable results will likely occur.

Again, this is not a defense for MR. Most certainly MR is responsible for his own decisions and actions. No doubt about it and I've said I don't like how he handled it. However, those decisions and actions could've been influenced differently with a more competent forensic interviewer.

I agree with you completely. I was thinking about that on my way to work.

 

[NC Analyzer]

For what it's worth, I don't think anything Dr. Phil said to MR or didn't say to MR would have made a bit of difference to MR.
It was fairly evident to me that Dr. Phil DID attempt to maneuver MR with regard to taking the poly. Dr. Phil played to his ego when he agreed with MR about "that bad LE" poly and how it just wasn't given by a "competent evaluator" and gave MR the "poor, poor, misunderstood you" line of crap, followed by "we can help you clear your name".
The rest, as they say, is history. This isn't about whether Dr. Phil is, or is not, capable of doing the best he could do under the circumstances, (as a time-limited, TV host), or whether Dr. Phil is a competent forensic interviewer, rather, this is about what MR did or did not do...

 

[NC Analyzer]

There have been a lot of leaks everywhere about things that were said on the Dr. Phil show that obviously got cut out and remain on the cutting room floor.

Anyone who initially said the Dr. Phil show was just going to end up like another Jerry Springer show has NO IDEA how bad things could have gone for MR....
Dr. Phil did his very best to focus on Dylan, getting to the truth and nothing else.