CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[SCHMAE]

11/28/12 “There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.” (IBM)http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612#sthash.CwvEVNRs.dpuf

12/02/12 Several possible sightings of Dylan were reported early on, but those have been discounted.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder#ixzz2M303Ffc6

12/05/12 There have been no confirmed sightings of the 13-year-old boy since his disappearance.
http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...or-missing-Dylan-Redwine#sthash.EGqi2XSu.dpuf

12/06/12 There have been no confirmed sightings of him since. http://durangoherald.com/article/20...lanned-for-missing-boy--#sthash.7FYtUR4p.dpuf

1/31/13 Dylan Redwine Task Force investigators said they searched miles of countryside and interviewed hundreds of people, but developments in the case have now dwindled. They have no named suspects and no confirmed sightings of Dylan. http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...-to-benefit-search-for-missing-Dylan-Redwine#

2/03/13 “We have no new leads or new information to report to the public at this time,” Shupe said in a news release Monday afternoon.

Possible sightings of Dylan have streamed in from across the country, he said, but there have been no confirmed sightings since he went missing Nov. 19. The FBI has been helpful at prodding agencies in other jurisdictions to follow up on possible leads, Shupe said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...ce-reveal-no-new-leads--#sthash.GR63IKRE.dpuf

2/07/13 There have been no confirmed sightings of Dylan since he went missing.
http://www.9news.com/dontmiss/315231/630/Missing-Dylan-Redwine-turns-14-

2/07/13 Law enforcement officials have received sighting reports from throughout the country. Those tips haven’t yielded any results yet, however. http://catalystnewspaper.com/2012/1...mber-still-missing-after-more-than-two-weeks/

I know this post made it into the Dr Phil thread, but I'm not sure if it's in this one. Adding here since that thread is now closed. (It's in Media Thread now as well.)

Thank YOU !!!!!!!!!!!! I was about to go looking for this very post that TWO MODERATORS of WEBSLEUTHS put up yesterday and yet it still seems to be a murky area...whether or not the mail lady saw Dylan ! If someone believes the mail lady saw Dylan they should call the la plata LE and tell them ! LOL Jmooooooooooooo

 

[SCHMAE]

There were things that landed on the cutting room floor that were not seen by the general public. That's just the way it is in television land. It is my opinion that once Dr. Phil had a better grasp on MR, his personality and other things that many of us are not privileged to know, his focus was on MR and finding the truth.
That was Elaine's focus. The truth. And getting Dylan's picture and story in front of a national audience.
ER already knew that there would be no answers from MR.

And LE has not stated that MR is not a suspect. They have stated that he has not been NAMED a suspect. There is a big difference. HUGE difference. LE has stated that NO ONE has been named a suspect. Well, that would include you, me and everyone else in this country. Realistically, we all know that we are not suspects, so just because they have not NAMED MR a suspect does not mean he isn't first on their list. It means nothing more than he hasn't been named a suspect.

I'm pretty sure she got her answer. The last segment showing ER shows a woman with a totally different facial expression than the earlier part. She had some hope at the beginning that she could talk, beg, negotiate some answers out of MR. When Phil went to speak to her after MR's final refusal of poly , she was numb struck

 

[scorekeeper]

Over a million people got to see Dylan

and that's good enough for me.....

and everybody got to see Mark

and everybody got to see Elaine, Cory, and other caring family/friends of Dylan

 

[cluciano63]

I'm pretty sure she got her answer. The last segment showing ER shows a woman with a totally different facial expression than the earlier part. She had some hope at the beginning that she could talk, beg, negotiate some answers out of MR. When Phil went to speak to her after MR's final refusal of poly , she was numb struck

You know, that is why I was surprised to hear (before shows aired) that the family felt it went well and was productive, etc.

I think it just increased the frustrations, suspicions and uncertainty many times over.

 

[fedfan4life]

Oh my...

Yep, it is perfectly acceptable that Mr. Redwine drink himself silly over the 2 days (1 night, I believe) when the Dr. Phil show was being filmed. I mean, come on, that's what grown men do when they are trying to get national attention for their missing child. Itty, bitty, wittle old Mark was bullied on the playground, and he had to make an appointment w/Mr. Jim Beam to ward off the blows. It doesn't matter that drinking alcohol could impair the results of the polygraph that he had already agreed to take the next day. It doesn't matter that he may not have full use of his faculties for any additional interviews or conversations which might be needed. It doesn't matter that his grown sons would be witness to his intoxication along w/4 million other folks. It doesn't matter that this whole exercise was about finding his missing child. Apparently, Dylan doesn't even deserve enough respect for his father to show up @ a prearranged event without being impaired.

This man is FOOLISH, and there is NO EXCUSE.

 

[Flutterflies]

LOL...thanks

Wanted to let you know that the SO doesn't live at the campground at the end of Mark's road (north) that he talked about Dylan visiting.

He lives at the campground south of Mark's house.....look at the map also
Dylan could have walked by there if anyone is leaning toward an adbuction theory. JMO

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewInfo.asp

Ugg!! The SO worries me. I do think abduction is one possibility.

Thanks for the link. I will look at that again.

What about the K9 search? Have they stopped. Have not seen any updates IRT what the plan is now with the hits and the hits on "brush".

Are we in a wait and see mode now?

 

[Tonto]

Dr. Phil is a retired psychologist.

No he isn't. He is unlicensed and has been for nearly 20 years. The decision to revoke his license wasn't his. The decision to not comply with the board's recommendations in order to reinstate his license however, was his alone. That's not retirement - that's non-compliance due to the same poor ethics that got him into hot water in the first place.

He was a psychologist many years ago. Perhaps he is even somewhat retired now. But he is most certainly not a retired psychologist.

 

[Seek&Find]

I'm pretty sure she got her answer. The last segment showing ER shows a woman with a totally different facial expression than the earlier part. She had some hope at the beginning that she could talk, beg, negotiate some answers out of MR. When Phil went to speak to her after MR's final refusal of poly , she was numb struck

Good point, Schmae. Hubby watched with me and I commented she looked like she'd aged ten years at the end of the 2nd show, after Mark refused the poly.

(Not saying anything about her looks, as much as the emotional wear and toll of confirmation of her fears, IMO. I think Elaine's a beauty inside and out.)

Moo

 

[azgrandma]

Read my post above. You're correct - asking MR to take the test wasn't baiting him and was a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. I don't like how MR handled his answer or the situation, but I understand his reservations after being taken to the woodshed by a man who claimed to be an unbiased observer who would not be passing judgment. Dr. Phil should have kept his cool and been the 'professional' he claims to be. That would've almost certainly resulted in a polygraph being administered - which is what ALL of us wanted for more clarity. He should have manipulated MR through correct technique (empathy and 'comfort' if he is in fact a narcissist) rather than accost him knowing what that would probably result in. He failed to do this, and that's unfortunate for all of us - but especially ER and CR.

I respectfully disagree. IMO this is not a challenge or some sort to determine which approach to MR will be the right approach. There comes a time in life when one must accept responsibility for their own actions. Constantly shoving blame onto others is absurd IMO.

IMO it doesn't matter one bit if DP sugar coated it, put a bow on it, slammed it in face or dangled it over his head. It's not up to DP or anyone else to guess the magic word that will please MR enough to finally actually DO what he says he will DO. MR accepted the offer and MR ultimately refused to follow through with his promise/word.

It's the same as saying the fork made me fat. When in reality it was my inability to push myself away from the table and stop shoving food down my throat that made me fat. The fork is just the nearest target to blame for my failure.

 

[Flutterflies]

I'm pretty sure she got her answer. The last segment showing ER shows a woman with a totally different facial expression than the earlier part. She had some hope at the beginning that she could talk, beg, negotiate some answers out of MR. When Phil went to speak to her after MR's final refusal of poly , she was numb struck

ubm

Gawd! That was absolutely heart breaking!

 

[NC Analyzer]

No he isn't. He is unlicensed and has been for nearly 20 years. The decision to revoke his license wasn't his. The decision to not comply with the board's recommendations in order to reinstate his license however, was his alone. That's not retirement - that's non-compliance due to the same poor ethics that got him into hot water in the first place.

He was a psychologist many years ago. Perhaps he is even somewhat retired now. But he is most certainly not a retired psychologist.

*sigh* It still has nothing to do with the fact that he was trained as a forensic psychologist! He hasn't lost his mind or his memory! I was a bartender once upon a time. I'm not a bartender now, but I can sure whip up a drink...and with this whole semantics argument, I think I need one!
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

ETA: Yeah, Dr. Phil was ACCUSED of fooling around with a former patient! He let it go and nothing was ever substantiated about those allegations. It wasn't because he was incompetent. It was just that he was behaving like a lot of men do...which isn't to say he was right, just that he didn't really do anything about the allegations because he was already making a go of things on the Oprah Winfrey show and as an author! Who cares about Dr. Phil's sex life anyway! It has NO relevance on what he did or did not do to MR!

 

[azgrandma]

AZGrandma, would you feel comfortable sharing details, as you know them, of Mark's childhood? For example, how was he treated by each parent?

I really wouldn't. That's up to him to do. I hope you understand.

 

[SCHMAE]

I respectfully disagree. IMO this is not a challenge or some sort to determine which approach to MR will be the right approach. There comes a time in life when one must accept responsibility for their own actions. Constantly shoving blame onto others is absurd IMO.

IMO it doesn't matter one bit if DP sugar coated it, put a bow on it, slammed it in face or dangled it over his head. It's not up to DP or anyone else to guess the magic word that will please MR enough to finally actually DO what he says he will DO. MR accepted the offer and MR ultimately refused to follow through with his promise/word.

It's the same as saying the fork made me fat. When in reality it was my inability to push myself away from the table and stop shoving food down my throat that made me fat. The fork is just the nearest target to blame for my failure.

The fork made me do it ! Love it !

 

[Flutterflies]

The links in Seek&find's original post do work. If you are using the links in the quoted part of money girl's post they do not. HTH

Yes, this helped me! Thanks for pointing this out.

 

[SCHMAE]

No he isn't. He is unlicensed and has been for nearly 20 years. The decision to revoke his license wasn't his. The decision to not comply with the board's recommendations in order to reinstate his license however, was his alone. That's not retirement - that's non-compliance due to the same poor ethics that got him into hot water in the first place.

He was a psychologist many years ago. Perhaps he is even somewhat retired now. But he is most certainly not a retired psychologist.

If you were out camping with friends and you became rapidly disoriented, trouble breathing, eyes watering, talking gibberish and falling over, would you rather have the advice of a unlicensed but previously practicing doctor or the opinion of a plumber?

 

[fedfan4life]

I really wouldn't. That's up to him to do. I hope you understand.

I absolutely do!

 

[pattywack]

But she did not say it was from his cell phone.

But she did say it was from Dylan ( supposedly) to a friend.

 

[scorekeeper]

Oh my...

Yep, it is perfectly acceptable that Mr. Redwine drink himself silly over the 2 days (1 night, I believe) when the Dr. Phil show was being filmed. I mean, come on, that's what grown men do when they are trying to get national attention for their missing child. Itty, bitty, wittle old Mark was bullied on the playground, and he had to make an appointment w/Mr. Jim Beam to ward off the blows. It doesn't matter that drinking alcohol could impair the results of the polygraph that he had already agreed to take the next day. It doesn't matter that he may not have full use of his faculties for any additional interviews or conversations which might be needed. It doesn't matter that his grown sons would be witness to his intoxication along w/4 million other folks. It doesn't matter that this whole exercise was about finding his missing child. Apparently, Dylan doesn't even deserve enough respect for his father to show up @ a prearranged event without being impaired.

This man is FOOLISH, and there is NO EXCUSE.

Thank you. I totally agree.

It showed the true Mark, the Mark people have been talking about for 3 months. The Mark that put HIMSELF FIRST before his children and the one on his watch happens to be missing.

It is very, very embarrasing for a child (small or grown) to have a parent show up hungover/intoxicated to a public event.....and that is never, ever forgotten.....yes, speaking from experience

 

[fedfan4life]

*sigh* It still has nothing to do with the fact that he was trained as a forensic psychologist! He hasn't lost his mind or his memory! I was a bartender once upon a time. I'm not a bartender now, but I can sure whip up a drink...and with this whole semantics argument, I think I need one!
:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Yeah, I need some bourbon myself. Jim Beam is not my favorite (Four Roses is the bomb ). My family's from the hollers of Kentuck, so I fancy myself an afficionado.

 

[TxLady2]

Read my post above. You're correct - asking MR to take the test wasn't baiting him and was a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. I don't like how MR handled his answer or the situation, but I understand his reservations after being taken to the woodshed by a man who claimed to be an unbiased observer who would not be passing judgment. Dr. Phil should have kept his cool and been the 'professional' he claims to be. That would've almost certainly resulted in a polygraph being administered - which is what ALL of us wanted for more clarity. He should have manipulated MR through correct technique (empathy and 'comfort' if he is in fact a narcissist) rather than accost him knowing what that would probably result in. He failed to do this, and that's unfortunate for all of us - but especially ER and CR.

I understand your point, but even a professional can lose their cool sometimes. Mark was given 3 chances to take it, after he had agreed during the taping the 1st day. He refused all 3 times. Don't you think you would be getting a little frustrated by then, too?
Besides, Dr. Phil's 'bullying' technique was for heightening the drama... he was not there to counsel Mark or hold his hand and soothe him. His goal was to make the show more dramatic for ratings.
Mark knew he would be asked to take a poly. He could have just refused from the get-go, he didn't have to lead the guy in circles. Or better yet, he should have stayed home and never went on the show to start with.