CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #41

[findDylan]

I hope i can mention this as i do find it strange as Cory was posting on that page for awhile. So why was he posting personal info on it if it was not a approved page?!

In the begining she "seemed" to have good intentions, but as time went on and It was found out what she did to Ms. Ridgeway it was decided to ask her to step away. At first she did then another page came up, then the said they didn't care what the family said and brought back the first page.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

everyone has their soft spot. when MR was talked to about being helped if he flew into a rage and hurt DR and now he's dead, MR was ready to bawl. I really think he can be gotten to, in that method.

I agree and I felt like at some point during that conversation he contemplated talking. I really do. I think he knows he's caught and if he really thought someone could help him out a bit he might bite.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In the begining she "seemed" to have good intentions, but as time went on and It was found out what she did to Ms. Ridgeway it was decided to ask her to step away. At first she did then another page came up, then the said they didn't care what the family said and brought back the first page.

Sounds all too familiar.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

BBM. I wonder if LE has had this kind of conversation with MR? I've seen Homicide Detectives put this out to suspects with great success to get a confession. "We know it was an accident and you didn't mean it." type thing. However, in many states a situation like this qualifies for a felony murder charge. And then we see alot of juries that vote for manslaughter with time served.

When Dr Phil was doing this I saw something change in MR...ever so briefly. I saw his mind going a hundred miles an hour wondering if he should take the offer. JMHO

 

[absentia]

I agree and I felt like at some point during that conversation he contemplated talking. I really do. I think he knows he's caught and if he really thought someone could help him out a bit he might bite.

yes, I did too. I thought if Dr Phil stayed on that train of discussion with him a bit more, he could have pulled something out of MR. When MR swallowed hard and got teary eyed i thought - ok finally someone's got him where he's connected to some emotion.
Maybe he is getting help from Dr Phil and giving info off camera (although I'm sure even a confession from MR will be twisted and manipulated to make MR look like the victim) since we don't know where MR is right now. Maybe he's sequestered with Dr Phil somewhere :waitasec:

 

[findDylan]

sarx this is a very unusual situation in a number of ways.

The Official page is asking that all tips be sent to the admins inbox.

If you wish to discuss the case, you were directed first to another FB page, and now you are being directed to yet another FB page which the family posts on.

It is all here.

http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

People are being asked not to post them on the page and inbox the admins so they can get them to LE. Not everyone wants to call a tip line or LE.

 

[TxLady2]

But if he passed why put pressure on him at all?
That I do not understand.

Because guilty people have passed them and Innocent people have failed them.

They are not infallible, they don't always work to LE's advantage.

But I doubt he passed the first one. Probably inconclusive. That's my best guess.

 

[absentia]

When Dr Phil was doing this I saw something change in MR...ever so briefly. I saw his mind going a hundred miles an hour wondering if he should take the offer. JMHO

when he got teary, I thought that Dr Phil hit the nail on the head with regards to what happened and it was the empathy that almost broke MR down. I saw not his mind racing trying to figure out what to do, but his first expression of emotion about what happened, and almost a flicker of remorse and the responsibility a "real" father would feel if he hurt his child. He almost broke down. You could see him seeing what he did, or what happened, or where DR is.

 

[SCHMAE]

Probably this week a lawyer will have been alerted to the case and step in to help MR !

 

[Allusonz]

Oh I think these 2 are both very skilled at pushing each other's buttons. Also, another thing I find very interesting is that after MR says something, then ER will come out with something to make it look different. I'm not saying I know who is telling the truth, what I'm saying is that they both can't be. Nor do I mean for that to sound like an accusation against ER. It just makes things difficult for me.

First - MR said ER would not talk to him, at all. Then ER says MR will not talk to her.

Then MR says LE told him to get a mediator, so he did, but ER refused. Now ER tells Dr. Phil that she couldn't get MR to meet w/the mediator out.

Little things like that make it very difficult to assess the honesty of either party, in my mind. BUT I really think something is wrong on the part of BOTH parties. I just don't think this is normal, especially in the case of a missing child.

Salem

I agree. They are very good at pushing those buttons but the situation is complicated by a number of other individuals that surround them.

I have to ask who is really running the show here as there are some very strong personalities involved such as MH and DH.

 

[Allusonz]

People are being asked not to post them on the page and inbox the admins so they can get them to LE. Not everyone wants to call a tip line or LE.

I cannot agree with this. All tips should be directed to LE. It should never be left to an admin to determine which tips should be forwarded or not especially when there are multiple admins of this page, that have been vocal with respect to how they feel, which is their right.

 

[Meri]

I have to admit that with recent information and events my mind has played with the idea of premeditation. I just can't go there though. I still think an argument of some kind that went bad. I can't imagine him having the help and resources that would be required to hide him out for this long. Although not impossible, i think it's unlikely.

For me, I keep thinking that if MR did kill Dylan without meaning to we would be seeing some real emotion from him. If he was horrified by what he had done, wouldn't we? We would mistake it, of course, for the emotion of not knowing where Dylan is, but it could just be because he was grieving what he had done.

Since we don't see any of that type of emotion, I am thinking if he killed him it was premeditated.

One would wonder why, though. The way I see it, it's the move, the new house, the remarriage coming up, new step-siblings - the happy family. I think MR would tell himself that if Dylan went missing, none of that would be a reality any longer. ER's fiance and his children certainly did not expect this type of existence for their future - it wouldn't surprise me if that relationship eventually fizzles out because of it. I think MR thinks so, too.

 

[findDylan]

I cannot agree with this. All tips should be directed to LE. It should never be left to an admin to determine which tips should be forwarded or not especially when there are multiple admins of this page, that have been vocal with respect to how they feel, which is their right.

I would rather someone give the tip to them then not all because they don't trust LE. And all tips are being forwarded. They aren't picking and choosing.

And with that I think we have to agree to disagree.

 

[SuperMom1995]

OMG! I forgot about that :what:

No wonder why they were drawn to one another
:great:

 

[Eileen730]

IMO MR doesn't like to see Elaine angry, but he loves to see her upset. Watching Elaine crying, wailing, beating her chest is how MR derives pleasure.

I almost think that if Elaine said something to the effect of, "The worst thing that could happen [to me] would be to find Dylan's body. At least if he remains missing I can believe that Dylan is alive and happy." MR might find a way to show/tell where Dylan's remains are-as that would be the worst possible scenario for Elaine. As an abuser-he only derives pleasure in a relationship by causing pain. IMO

Oh I think he is trying to tell where Dylan can be found by the Fishing Pole!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

yes, I did too. I thought if Dr Phil stayed on that train of discussion with him a bit more, he could have pulled something out of MR. When MR swallowed hard and got teary eyed i thought - ok finally someone's got him where he's connected to some emotion.
Maybe he is getting help from Dr Phil and giving info off camera (although I'm sure even a confession from MR will be twisted and manipulated to make MR look like the victim) since we don't know where MR is right now. Maybe he's sequestered with Dr Phil somewhere :waitasec:

I think he's been spotted back at home. I agree and I think if Dr Phil would have kept going MR might have talked. I could just feel him wanting to!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Oh I think he is trying to tell where Dylan can be found by the Fishing Pole!

AND by implying that he might have walked to T's by the lake!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

For me, I keep thinking that if MR did kill Dylan without meaning to we would be seeing some real emotion from him. If he was horrified by what he had done, wouldn't we? We would mistake it, of course, for the emotion of not knowing where Dylan is, but it could just be because he was grieving what he had done.

Since we don't see any of that type of emotion, I am thinking if he killed him it was premeditated.

One would wonder why, though. The way I see it, it's the move, the new house, the remarriage coming up, new step-siblings - the happy family. I think MR would tell himself that if Dylan went missing, none of that would be a reality any longer. ER's fiance and his children certainly did not expect this type of existence for their future - it wouldn't surprise me if that relationship eventually fizzles out because of it. I think MR thinks so, too.

My guess would be that he's probably the type that buries his emotions in alcohol. He very well may show emotion when he's alone. I think the anger and defiance we see is directed at Elaine and Cory for all the things they've said about him. Even if it's true. I think the rage he feels toward her for leaving him is extremely deep. I do think some how he enjoys seeing her suffer. I think for him, he's not about to let them be right! It's all about winning. JMHO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I'm from Georgia, and I've had people tell me to my face that they were shocked that anything intelligent came out of my mouth because of my acccc-cent (bless their hearts). For me though, my issues with what MR has said have nothing to do with regional accent, educational level or even uneasiness about speaking publicly.

When he speaks of matters not directly related to Dylan's disappearance, he is quite fluid. It's only when the sensitive details of that Sunday night and the following Monday are brought up that he begins to evade and confuse the issue. His inappropriate use of "we" indicates an effort to share or avoid responsibility. He doesn't say outright, "I didn't hurt (harm, kill, kidnap) Dylan". He says, "I would never harm that boy" or "I had nothing to do with it".

From the first, I feel that his statements have denigrated ER, CR, and more subtly, Dylan. I think he's being deceptive, but it's JMO and MOO.

You are SPOT ON IMO!!! Plus I have been saying all along that despite local vernacular phrases or accents, certain pronouns or tenses, when used at innappropriate times or sensitive times are very telling.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

when he got teary, I thought that Dr Phil hit the nail on the head with regards to what happened and it was the empathy that almost broke MR down. I saw not his mind racing trying to figure out what to do, but his first expression of emotion about what happened, and almost a flicker of remorse and the responsibility a "real" father would feel if he hurt his child. He almost broke down. You could see him seeing what he did, or what happened, or where DR is.

I couldn't agree more! Dr Phil was also not attacking MR. He was being considerate and understanding and offering to help him if this is what happened. Attacking MR is not the way to get anywhere with him. I think there is a human inside there somewhere with feelings. You just have to know how to get to him. Something tells me that Elaine probably knows how to get to him. I wish she would have used this approach. I think maybe just maybe if him and her were to sit down alone together and she approached it from a different angle she might be able to get him to talk.