CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #41

[absentia]

So, they are saying that they picked up HRD near the lake but not actually in it? Correct?

I believe it was after they punched through the ice the dogs went crazy. not totally sure.

 

[findDylan]

So, they are saying that they picked up HRD near the lake but not actually in it? Correct?

I believe they had scents by the lake and when they moved to the lake in the spot the other dogs had hit on, the dog went crazy. So that would be in the lake where they cut the ice out.

 

[Kamille]

Oh boy, well, let's see....

I think there is a lot going on here. LE had hits out there several months ago, and put divers in and came up empty handed. (Whether or not the water was cleared, well, I dunno.) I'm not sure that this group was welcomed by LE.

The divers were very limited due to the water temperature and the high altitude. I believe they were only in there one or two days. We don't know how many divers were there but if they can only go down once for a half hour a day that's not much. And they used sonar as well with no success.

MOO

 

[absentia]

Catching up on tonight's posts.



MR has 2 ex-wives and at least one ex-girlfriend so I believe he doesn't always come off as a [fill in the blank with your favorite descriptive noun]

except they're all exes. he can't seem to hold on to any for good. but manipulators are charming at first.

 

[missrugby]

So, they are saying that they picked up HRD near the lake but not actually in it? Correct?

I can't find the link but Wendy from K9 forensics, I believe, said the dogs hit in the lake in one of the holes they cut out and was scratching at the snow and ice. I'm trying to find the link.

 

[KateNY]

K9 Forensics webpage
http://www.facebook.com/pages/K-9-Forensics/249798878409404?group_id=0

has pics

they cut holes in the ice

 

[absentia]

Brought over from the other thread.

Perhaps it is because he thinks of himself as royalty. :nyah:

:floorlaugh:

yes, but he does it a lot to deflect attention/blame off himself.

 

[ColdHands]

Based on bits of info from MR's rambling accounts, this is my theory (which I hope is wrong) of what might have happened.

At around the time of the last communication, 9:37, a confrontation/struggle occurred in which alcohol may have been a factor. The cell phone is turned off or broken, and Dylan is injured. Either Dylan makes his way to the sofa or is placed there. Either MR doesn't realize the extent of Dylan's injuries because of impairment or else he is too panicked to seek medical intervention and hopes that Dylan will "come out of it." MR's pacing around and "straightening up" could be straightening up any signs of a struggle. Dylan is still breathing, and at some point, MR goes to sleep.

When MR wakes, he does try to "wake" Dylan, but realizes that he has succumbed to his injuries overnight. MR disposes of Dylan and all his belongings early that morning. This would fit in with the prospective renter as a possible witness as this man was sighted early 6:00 to 6:30 AM although that tip apparently didn't lead anywhere.

MR runs his errands as scheduled although he is running behind as he originally intended to be at his employer's office at 7:30. I wonder what people at his workplace had to say about his appearance or demeanor. He texts and call Dylan by way of alibi building.

MR returns home and tries to come up with a cover story and perhaps further clean ups during his nap time. He drives to T's house (maybe) and drives around the lake. I think it's possible that he planted the fishing pole at that time, but hid it too well or threw it in the water and it hasn't been discovered.

All speculation and MOO

Ugh my post just disappeared. User error, I'm sure.

We don't have to believe the nap story and that works well here - he would have had even more to think and clean. He might have said the nap story thinking it sounded good, and then couldn't retract it once he realized it backfired.

Thanks for posting your theory!

 

[katydid23]

So, they are saying that they picked up HRD near the lake but not actually in it? Correct?

No, I think they are saying in it. They posted pix on their FB showing the dog alerting on holes drilled in the ice on the lake.

 

[absentia]

Based on bits of info from MR's rambling accounts, this is my theory (which I hope is wrong) of what might have happened.

At around the time of the last communication, 9:37, a confrontation/struggle occurred in which alcohol may have been a factor. The cell phone is turned off or broken, and Dylan is injured. Either Dylan makes his way to the sofa or is placed there. Either MR doesn't realize the extent of Dylan's injuries because of impairment or else he is too panicked to seek medical intervention and hopes that Dylan will "come out of it." MR's pacing around and "straightening up" could be straightening up any signs of a struggle. Dylan is still breathing, and at some point, MR goes to sleep.

When MR wakes, he does try to "wake" Dylan, but realizes that he has succumbed to his injuries overnight. MR disposes of Dylan and all his belongings early that morning. This would fit in with the prospective renter as a possible witness as this man was sighted early 6:00 to 6:30 AM although that tip apparently didn't lead anywhere.

MR runs his errands as scheduled although he is running behind as he originally intended to be at his employer's office at 7:30. I wonder what people at his workplace had to say about his appearance or demeanor. He texts and call Dylan by way of alibi building.

MR returns home and tries to come up with a cover story and perhaps further clean ups during his nap time. He drives to T's house (maybe) and drives around the lake. I think it's possible that he planted the fishing pole at that time, but hid it too well or threw it in the water and it hasn't been discovered.

All speculation and MOO

very possible. no cadaver dogs in the house then, b/c they would have hit on the couch.

 

[SCHMAE]

Based on bits of info from MR's rambling accounts, this is my theory (which I hope is wrong) of what might have happened.

At around the time of the last communication, 9:37, a confrontation/struggle occurred in which alcohol may have been a factor. The cell phone is turned off or broken, and Dylan is injured. Either Dylan makes his way to the sofa or is placed there. Either MR doesn't realize the extent of Dylan's injuries because of impairment or else he is too panicked to seek medical intervention and hopes that Dylan will "come out of it." MR's pacing around and "straightening up" could be straightening up any signs of a struggle. Dylan is still breathing, and at some point, MR goes to sleep.

When MR wakes, he does try to "wake" Dylan, but realizes that he has succumbed to his injuries overnight. MR disposes of Dylan and all his belongings early that morning. This would fit in with the prospective renter as a possible witness as this man was sighted early 6:00 to 6:30 AM although that tip apparently didn't lead anywhere.

MR runs his errands as scheduled although he is running behind as he originally intended to be at his employer's office at 7:30. I wonder what people at his workplace had to say about his appearance or demeanor. He texts and call Dylan by way of alibi building.

MR returns home and tries to come up with a cover story and perhaps further clean ups during his nap time. He drives to T's house (maybe) and drives around the lake. I think it's possible that he planted the fishing pole at that time, but hid it too well or threw it in the water and it hasn't been discovered.

All speculation and MOO

I have thought this type of scenario myself and I think it could be a real plausible theory. A mid day nap does seem like he may not have gotten a good night sleep and given the schedule MR stated, he should have had plenty of sleep that night before.
I wish we do know what the employment office and lawyer's office had to say about their sighting of MR that morning. You know it's strange neither of those people have spoken publicly to .......... confirm or deny MR's presence or anything else. Curious !

 

[absentia]

I don't think he wanted his parents to get back together. I think he liked his new school, his new town, his new home and his new life. He thought Marks house was too remote. And his dad worked all of the time and they never spent much time together. I don't believe that Dylan would have left his wonderful 13yr old's life, full of baseball and girlfriends and skateboarding, just to try something foolish like that. JMO

I don't think he liked MR enough to want them back together. I wanted my parents to split b/c they were so bad together, and made my life miserable. I was a bit older tho - 15/16.

 

[sarx]

I agree with the issue with the divers, I posted as much a few threads back.
I believe though that something like 7 sonars were used (am I remembering correctly?)
If that is correct and all 7 missed him down there, well that is disturbing and means that sonar is pretty much worthless.
The lake has long been on my list, so I am certainly not saying it is not a likely place.
On the flip side though, whenever someone goes in and searches an area already searched and alerted on, and you feel that it's a "good high probability area" it is really quite easy to steer things that way, even if you don't mean to. This is the down side to not going in blind (which can be pretty much impossible depending on circumstances).

 

[KateNY]

pic of one of the holes they cut in the ice

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/559872_108683612635602_1309975558_n.jpg

 

[cattlekate]

Grrr, flipping USTREAM! Where is the rapid cussing emote when you need it ?
Does anyone know of any other place the dr phils shows are in entirety?
This is the umpteenth time I've tried to watch it I get half way through and it
folds tia

Have you tried to allow it to totally buffer (while you do something for 15 minutes) and then come back, pull the toggle thing back to the left, and start it again? That's the only way I could get the Dr. Phil previews to work.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree with the issue with the divers, I posted as much a few threads back.
I believe though that something like 7 sonars were used (am I remembering correctly?)
If that is correct and all 7 missed him down there, well that is disturbing and means that sonar is pretty much worthless.
The lake has long been on my list, so I am certainly not saying it is not a likely place.
On the flip side though, whenever someone goes in and searches an area already searched and alerted on, and you feel that it's a "good high probability area" it is really quite easy to steer things that way, even if you don't mean to. This is the down side to not going in blind (which can be pretty much impossible depending on circumstances).

Are you saying that Wendy may have been "cueing" her HRD dogs when working the lake site because she knew of previous alerts?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree with the issue with the divers, I posted as much a few threads back.
I believe though that something like 7 sonars were used (am I remembering correctly?)
If that is correct and all 7 missed him down there, well that is disturbing and means that sonar is pretty much worthless.
The lake has long been on my list, so I am certainly not saying it is not a likely place.
On the flip side though, whenever someone goes in and searches an area already searched and alerted on, and you feel that it's a "good high probability area" it is really quite easy to steer things that way, even if you don't mean to. This is the down side to not going in blind (which can be pretty much impossible depending on circumstances).

So are you saying that if LE isn't in agreement with this team coming in then they might not follow up on any hits? And it will be up to the family to bring in divers? The day the dogs were out there and they were cutting holes in the ice there were other people there including Katt and Mike Hall. I'm sure they could vouch for whether or not the dogs were actually getting hits. It just seems sad if LE won't listen. Regardless of anything this k9 team is out there searching for Dylan in very harsh conditions for free when nobody else is and this is the thanks they get? No wonder more don't offer these services.

 

[ColdHands]

I have thought this type of scenario myself and I think it could be a real plausible theory. A mid day nap does seem like he may not have gotten a good night sleep and given the schedule MR stated, he should have had plenty of sleep that night before.
I wish we do know what the employment office and lawyer's office had to say about their sighting of MR that morning. You know it's strange neither of those people have spoken publicly to .......... confirm or deny MR's presence or anything else. Curious !

I don't think either of those organizations would look well upon their employees getting involved publicly.

But in general, no one seems to be saying much. No one has publicly admitted to the 9:37 text, no one has publicly claimed the fishing pole, no one has publicly admitted to being the kid that looks like Dylan walking on the road and no one has claimed to be the other boy either, no one has said they saw them come through at McDonalds, or saw them at Walmart or confessed they didn't speak up right away about the Hispanic man they saw that morning.

IMO

 

[findDylan]

I agree with the issue with the divers, I posted as much a few threads back.
I believe though that something like 7 sonars were used (am I remembering correctly?)
If that is correct and all 7 missed him down there, well that is disturbing and means that sonar is pretty much worthless.
The lake has long been on my list, so I am certainly not saying it is not a likely place.
On the flip side though, whenever someone goes in and searches an area already searched and alerted on, and you feel that it's a "good high probability area" it is really quite easy to steer things that way, even if you don't mean to. This is the down side to not going in blind (which can be pretty much impossible depending on circumstances).

Is there a chance the body could be up stream more and the scent is flowing down? The divers and sonar I believe we're only looking right around where the dogs hit?

BBM - are you saying that the handler is giving off cues that there is something there so the dogs are alerting?

I am just trying to understand. My husband and I disagree about using dogs.

 

[Helenstreet]

So why not use Dylan's phone to change the Monday plans? They'd been switched once already, so it wouldn't be totally suspicious if they got changed again.

Or to put MR in the clear - a text to say "my dad has just had to go out, he's giving me a lift later but I'm going to hitch".

IF Mark is responsible for Dylan's disappearance, I am more inclined to believe that it was an unintentionally provoked act of aggression on Mark's part. I don't believe that Mark planned out Dylan's disappear at all. Mark would not have to be a mastermind and conceive of ideas, such as using Dylan's cell phone to text his friends, in order to successfully "disappear" his son. MOO.