CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #41

[Allusonz]

Maybe you're just better at interpreting MR's spin than I am, but I watched the show and there was no doubt in my mind what he was attempting to convey....<modsnip>.

<modsnip>.

Maybe there is more than one marina....

This is a 12 mile lake and I can see more than one marina....

 

[*Lash*]

Admittedly, I mocked Mark for the 'end of the road' comment. However, I can see where Cheese is coming from, too. I don't think Mark listens as much as he talks. In my opinion, it could appear either way.

 

[Allusonz]

5.9 miles is a long way to walk, in my opinion...but anyway...

MR seems to be the male version of Terri Horman, in many ways. Too "good" of a suspect to ignore. Both have had some pretty iffy past behaviors exposed as well as odd behavior about their lie detector tests. LE has focused on TH for going on three years now, without being able to bring criminal charges. Hope a random perp has not been given an almost three year head start. I always had the impression that Kyron might have gone off with any adult who approached him. JMO only and I do not feel the same about Dylan.

Maybe it is not 5.9 miles to the first marina.

Maybe it is 5.9 miles to the 2nd marina.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I believe "end of the road" is the end of CR 500, the road Mark lives on. And I believe he was referring to the postal worker, not Elaine, when he said "she" was talking about the end of the road.

Mark's house is all the way on the northernmost end of CR 500. CR 500 runs south to CR 501, which runs west/east right above the lake. So CR 500 ends right at CR 501.

The postal worker said she saw Dylan near Dylan's house. MSM said it was on 501. I think it was katydid said the sightings were near the country market and the mexican restaurant, which are in that area where 500 runs into 501. Putting all that together, it's the end of CR 500 at CR 501 where the market and restaurant are that the postal worker sighting was.

If you look on this map at the thick black line, you can see 500 going south to 501, then 501 running east/west at the lake, and then continuing down the west side of the lake. (501A also runs east and down the eastern side of the lake. The white line on the east.)

http://www.vallecitolakechamber.com/maps/index.asp

:twocents:

Respectfully I think you are mistaken. This came up when Elaine was talking about how far it was to T's house. That's why DP got up and went to the map to show that it was indeed 5.9 miles from MR's to T's. Elaine said 6 miles. I'd say that's close enough!

 

[Seek&Find]

I'm thinking LE must love having these interviews to go over (and they said they'd watch Dr Phil for any info that could be gleaned for the investigation - paraphrased, linked previously).

There's just a wealth of contradiction in them, IMO.

All I need to know is that he&#8217;s safe and where he&#8217;s at, and how to get a hold of him, and it&#8217;s likely I&#8217;ll pop in on him -- Check to make sure he&#8217;s at where he says he&#8217;s at. Those things were important to me.

Mark Redwine:
Yeah, &#8220;Dylan I&#8217;m leaving to go down to town and run my errands, if you need anything call me &#8230; call me when you get up&#8230; if there&#8217;s anything you need.&#8221;
Never heard from him. I&#8217;ve sent him text messages, you know&#8230; asking him, &#8220;hey, Dude, are you up yet?&#8221; &#8230; you know, &#8220;Call me&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Is there anything you need?&#8221;...

Melissa Blasius:
Did you rush back at all, did you think, like, well, that&#8217;s weird, I haven&#8217;t heard from Dylan&#8230;or anything&#8230;

Mark Redwine:
Nah...

Mark Redwine:
Well, when I got home and he wasn&#8217;t here I didn&#8217;t think much of it at the time, because it&#8217;s not unlike him to go wandering off. He&#8217;ll walk down to the river across the street or you know he might go up into the campground where he can be next to the river up there. I didn&#8217;t think a whole lot of it.

And, I had laid down and took a nap...

As I was going down to Bayfield to check with R, who I found at his friend F&#8217;s house, and as soon as I went to F&#8230;&#8217;cos I don&#8217;t know where all of them live &#8211;- but I knew a couple of &#8216;em live -- enough to get pointed in the right direction.

when I got down to the Marshall&#8217;s Office or to his friend R&#8217;s house or F&#8230;anyway... when I ran across his friends

Blasius interview

I need to know where Dylan's at vs Dylan wanders off.
I'll pop in to make sure where he's at vs I only know where a couple of his friends live.
I need to know he's safe and where he's at vs didn't think a lot of it and took a nap.
I went to F's house, I went to R's house, I mean F's, anyway...???

Moo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

You're welcome to your opinion. Mine is that whereas ER and Dr P were talking about Tristan's house, MR was talking about the road on the way to Tristan's house, the end of CR500 at CR501, where the mail lady ("she") sighting was.

I'm fine with seeing it differently. It's no big deal.


MR: One of his friends lives up at the lake where I live, and it’s right across from the marina, so it’s not a very far distance for him have…to try to reach out to his friend who lives up at the lake.

Dr. Phil: Okay…

ER: 6 miles

MR: It’s NOT six miles!

ER: It is too far for Dylan, and there was no indica….

MR: It’s not 6 miles from my house to the end of the road.

ER: He would have texted somebody and had somebody come get him.

Dr. Phil: Okay…well, let me… help me out here. See if I have this uhhh correct. (Dr. Phile walks up to screen/map). This is your house, right here.

MR: That’s correct

Dr. Phil: And this is his friends house – uhhh… would this be Tristan’s house here?

MR: That would be T’s

Dr. Phil: This is his friend’s house…
link
MR: Right in front of the lake…

Dr. Phil: and… we did go to Google maps and that’s 5.9 miles.

ER: Yeaaaahhhhhh

(Sounds like audience laughter)

Dr. Phil: From here to here…

MR: Well, now she said to the end of the road….

Dr. Phil: Well, I don’t know where… about the end of the road
But this is 5.9 miles

HUH? Where in this conversation is the mail lady mentioned?

 

[findDylan]

Like this one...lol -

MR:
Well, now she said to the end of the road….

Dr. Phil:
Well, I don’t know where… about the end of the road, but this is 5.9 miles which doesn’t seem like all that far to me …I don’t know if that’s uphill or downhill, but…

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=30241&d=1361999120

I'm behind again, but the living room is clean and dishes are done. . Anyways wasn't it MR that said to the end of the road not Elaine? (off to check)

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Maybe there is more than one marina....

This is a 12 mile lake and I can see more than one marina....

When I did my map it was to the main marina. I also read there are several private marina's. When I mapped from MR's to the MAIN Marina it was exactly 5.9 miles. This is the marina I believe is near T's house.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I'm thinking LE must love having these interviews to go over (and they said they'd watch Dr Phil for any info that could be gleaned for the investigation - paraphrased, linked previously).

Blasius interview

I need to know where Dylan's at vs Dylan wanders off.
I'll pop in to make sure where he's at vs I only know where a couple of his friends live.
I need to know he's safe and where he's at vs didn't think a lot of it and took a nap.
I went to Fernando's house, I went to Ryan's house, I mean Fernando's, anyway...???

Moo

There's just a wealth of contradiction in him, IMO.

A study in contradictions isn't he! :great:

<modsnip> It appears that he isn't all that hard to understand for some folks. I guess they didn't offer that foreign language class when I went to college! Oh, wait, they did! I think it was called Deviant Psychology!

 

[Allusonz]

When I did my map it was to the main marina. I also read there are several private marina's. When I mapped from MR's to the MAIN Marina it was exactly 5.9 miles. This is the marina I believe is near T's house.

There is also another one at about 3.9 miles.

I can only go by what is there, and there are 2 marina's.

 

[Cheyne]

Just want to throw a couple of things out there:

1. If MR killed Dylan and put him in the lake, he would either need access to a boat or do it from an area that drops 90 degrees into the lake. A dam is a man-made structure that usually drops at a 70-90 degree angle into a lake. There is enough erosion or natural topography around the lake to make it highly unlikely that there is any other area that drops in at a 90 degree angle.
IOW, if you put a body into a lake from shore it's not going to magically move itself into deep(er) water.

2. A reservoir is formed by damming a stream or river across one end. That causes water to stop flowing and back up to the level of the dam or a little below it. There will always be at least a small amount of water flowing out of the "lake" through the dam. This causes a current through the reservoir from the river end toward the dam end. Sunken objects will be moved by the current and end up at the dam.

The point of 1&2 above is that if MR put Dylan into Vallecito Reservoir, he either needed a boat or dropped him from the dam. With the natural current from the water release through the dam, Dylan's body will end up at the dam area no matter where he was put in; unless he is wrapped in a tarp tied with rope and weighted down with concrete blocks to stop his body from moving.

 

[Seek&Find]

Nothing anywhere near that "she" and "end of road" references anything about the postal worker's story. Not for a long time before or after the 6 mile discussion.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

There is also another one at about 3.9 miles.

I can only go by what is there, and there are 2 marina's.

OK I get that. But Dr Phil showed a map from MR's house to T's house. And it was exactly 5.9 miles. My map to the MAIN marina is exactly 5.9 miles.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I have been trying to think of what (if anything) might be done next to try to ensure that Dylan's case does not go the way of so many others, i.e the limbo of Haleigh, Hailey, Kyron, Ayla, Lisa, Joshua,etc.

Most of these other cases had national media, appearances on "Oprah" or "GMA" for example, high interest locally and online, lots of tips, false sightings, animosity between adults in the case, issues with lie detector tests, in other words, they have a lot in common, including at least one adult caretaker who cannot be ruled out. As of now, these children have have been missing from over a year to just over four years. I remember when those cases were all new, never imagining it was possible that they would not be found.

Seems like another thing they have in common is very little communication by LE to public, although in Ayla's case, the police have been more vocal than most and their suspicions against her father made plain.

Anyone have any ideas? For those who believe MR is the "key", what, if anything could bring him to confess? Or if he is not the perp, is there a way (other than an LD) that he could somehow "clear" himself, so as to not be in the way of a solution? I am generally the resident pessimist, due to the lack of resolutions in the cases I follow closely, but am really trying to hold onto hope that Dylan won't become a member of my "list" of stuck cases.

One positive I see for Dylan's case is that despite the lack of national coverage, and not exactly extensive local coverage either, the case is extremely active on WS (41,000+ posts in 3 months) and on the FB pages. The concept of "What happens when the case isn't in the media every day anymore?" doesn't apply to this case.

There aren't many cases that would stay extremely active on WS for 3+ months with just two appearances of Nancy Grace, one appearance on GMA, and two episodes of Dr. Phil.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Just want to throw a couple of things out there:

1. If MR killed Dylan and put him in the lake, he would either need access to a boat or do it from an area that drops 90 degrees into the lake. A dam is a man-made structure that usually drops at a 70-90 degree angle into a lake. There is enough erosion or natural topography around the lake to make it highly unlikely that there is any other area that drops in at a 90 degree angle.
IOW, if you put a body into a lake from shore it's not going to magically move itself into deep(er) water.

2. A reservoir is formed by damming a stream or river across one end. That causes water to stop flowing and back up to the level of the dam or a little below it. There will always be at least a small amount of water flowing out of the "lake" through the dam. This causes a current through the reservoir from the river end toward the dam end. Sunken objects will be moved by the current and end up at the dam.

The point of 1&2 above is that if MR put Dylan into Vallecito Reservoir, he either needed a boat or dropped him from the dam. With the natural current from the water release through the dam, Dylan's body will end up at the dam area no matter where he was put in; unless he is wrapped in a tarp tied with rope and weighted down with concrete blocks to stop his body from moving.

Or the body gets stuck on something. For all we know if he's in there he could be close to shore and in semi shallow water.

 

[findDylan]

ER: *
6 miles
*
MR: *
It&#8217;s NOT six miles! *
*
ER: *
It is too far for Dylan, and there was no indica&#8230;.
*
MR: *
Can we pull this up on Google maps because it&#8217;s not 6 miles from my house to the end of the road.


Guess I should back to front before I comment. the BBM part I take to mean MR is saying its not 6 miles from his house to T's house. MR is talking about Dylan gong to his friend T's house not to the end of the road. Where he gets anyone talking about "The end of the road" is anyone's guess. IMO

 

[Allusonz]

OK I get that. But Dr Phil showed a map from MR's house to T's house. And it was exactly 5.9 miles. My map to the MAIN marina is exactly 5.9 miles.

The is on the assumption that Dr. Phil was working with accurate information.

I seriously doubt that LE would give out that information, and it does not appear that he received it from MR.

That means he must of received his information from ER.

 

[Seek&Find]

I'm behind again, but the living room is clean and dishes are done. . Anyways wasn't it MR that said to the end of the road not Elaine? (off to check)

You're right. . See post [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8964877&postcount=450"]here[/ame].

 

[Tennlyn]

The is on the assumption that Dr. Phil was working with accurate information.

I seriously doubt that LE would give out that information, and it does not appear that he received it from MR.

That means he must of received his information from ER.

Well MR confirmed that Dr. Phil was pointing at the right dot on the map for T's house.

 

[Seek&Find]

The is on the assumption that Dr. Phil was working with accurate information.

I seriously doubt that LE would give out that information, and it does not appear that he received it from MR.

That means he must of received his information from ER.

And that Mark agreed when the map was pulled up that it did show the location of T's house.

Moo