CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

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Thanks. Then I go back to saying that it's a shame that nothing was done about prosecuting this. If a human being is held against their will it's a crime in my book.

:waitasec: My post was in response to ThePhantom's, but I agree. I wish he'd been prosecuted for that and DV.

Moo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

:waitasec: My post was in response to ThePhantom's, but I agree. I wish he'd been prosecuted for that and DV.

Moo

Do you have an opinion why Mark was never prosecuted for kidnapping or domestic violence?

 

[NC Analyzer]

:waitasec: My post was in response to ThePhantom's, but I agree. I wish he'd been prosecuted for that and DV.

Moo

Yeah, I definitely agree. These days it seems we have just as many criminals out walking the streets as we do in prison. Very discouraging. Just moo, but it seems more about who you are, who you know, how lucky you get and how much money you have. Our justice system isn't perfect, but it's all we have and it's still much better than many other places. Public awareness is a big key...getting the victims story out is very important. For that alone, I commend ER, CR, MH, Katt and Dr. Phil.

 

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Yes, I'm glad Cory, Elaine, and AzG found their voice in rallying for Dylan. Seems Mark's gotten away with a lot of mistreatment for quite some time. Moo

I remember one time he threw me down on the ground and started punching me in the face. Mark threatened to take the kids from me several times. There were police reports that had to be filed before he would return them. There was an incident in 1990 when Mark did not return the children, and I had to report it to the police department. I was petrified. I was deathly afraid that Mark was going to hide the kids …that he was going to take them and I was never going to see them again. I believe that Mark could do something to harm Dylan because he has a violent temper and snaps easily.

Dr Phil 2

MR:
I never raised my hand to her and I never hit her with an open hand or a fist. Umm, you know… there were times when we got into pushing matches, and I recall a time that… she was standing in the door and wouldn’t let me leave through the door, and I physically removed her and threw her on the bed, so… these are all things that can be construed as being domestic violence.

Dr. Phil:
So do you suppose the police have they said there’s one, two, three instances of the children being in your control when the mothers didn’t know about it and the history of domestic violence… that they might say… you know, this guy might be a little volatile, so… we might … should take a good hard look at him.

MR:
And I have no problem with that.

Dr Phil 1

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yeah, I definitely agree. These days it seems we have just as many criminals out walking the streets as we do in prison. Very discouraging. Just moo, but it seems more about who you are, who you know, how lucky you get and how much money you have. Our justice system isn't perfect, but it's all we have and it's still much better than many other places. Public awareness is a big key...getting the victims story out is very important. For that alone, I commend ER, CR, MH, Katt and Dr. Phil.

BBM

I would say in this case Mark Redwine only qualifies for being lucky. I do agree wholeheartedly that our justice system is better than most, even with it's flaws.

 

[cluciano63]

Even if MR had been charged and prosecuted some years ago, for holding the boys, I doubt it would have prevented him having visitation with Dylan now, just due to some of the decisions judges make that tend to favor a parent having access to a child.

On another note, I have little faith that a tip of any value will come in via Facebook. In fact, I don't hold out much hope for any tip solving this case. Either Dylan will be found with evidence that points to a suspect, or there will be a confession at some point (doubtful, unless an arrest is made first and evidence is fairly solid). In the unlikely event he is being "held" and somehow is released or escapes, of course he will provide the evidence.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Was Mark Redwine charged with kidnapping at some point? If he hid the kids from ER at some point, would that be considered a crime?

I'm not sure about this, but no I don't believe so because at the time I think they were still married.

 

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Dr. Phil:
Did you or did you not take your sons Cory and Dylan without telling their mother on two occasions, once in 2003 and once in 2006, and if so, do you think that contributes to the police saying, well here’s once, twice three times that you’ve taken the children without her knowing it that that might cause them to think not that you might have harmed your son but that maybe you’ve spirited him away somewhere. Do you think that might cause them to be suspicious?

MR:
Well…absolutely….I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.

Dr Phil 1

 

[SCHMAE]

Azg said many threads back that MR would smack her kids heads into each other to get their attention or if they were fighting with each other or something. Sounds like abuse but not with a ' fist' or an ' open hand'.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Even if MR had been charged and prosecuted some years ago, for holding the boys, I doubt it would have prevented him having visitation with Dylan now, just due to some of the decisions judges make that tend to favor a parent having access to a child.

On another note, I have little faith that a tip of any value will come in via Facebook. In fact, I don't hold out much hope for any tip solving this case. Either Dylan will be found with evidence that points to a suspect, or there will be a confession at some point (doubtful, unless an arrest is made first and evidence is fairly solid). In the unlikely event he is being "held" and somehow is released or escapes, of course he will provide the evidence.

Since Mark was never prosecuted for past offenses it's hard to say for sure what a judge would have done about visitation or if Mark would even be out of prison to have any visitation.

I think that your right about a tip being a key to solving this case. I guess if enough solid evidence is obtained by LE that could be used to elicit a confession and then an arrest could be made.

Dylan could be currently held by a SO that abducted him and is planning on keeping him for a long time. It's happened before. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Azg said many threads back that MR would smack her kids heads into each other to get their attention or if they were fighting with each other or something. Sounds like abuse but not with a ' fist' or an ' open hand'.

Sounds like a criminal act to me.

 

[Seek&Find]

Azg said many threads back that MR would smack her kids heads into each other to get their attention or if they were fighting with each other or something. Sounds like abuse but not with a ' fist' or an ' open hand'.

Yeah, his attempts at obfuscation are so transparent. Like hitting her with other things/in other ways is ok? :furious: I don't believe him. Moo

 

[Confusion]

If a couple is married and one partner takes their children somewhere for a couple of days without the permission of the other one, is that really considered to be kidnapping? I'd think that would be dangerous any time a couple was having problems - you could be charged with kidnapping for going camping over the weekend if you didn't get something in writing from your spouse saying it was okay... MOO :waitasec:

 

[Seajay]

No, I'm not making a judgment on that. Cory said he felt kidnapped. That's good enough for me.

Moo

"There has been two previous times where Mark has kidnapped me and Dylan. He took us to a ghetto hotel in Denver and in 2006 he took us to his boss’ house. Both those times I did feel like I was being kidnapped." Dr Phil 2

Wasn't one of those times when Elaine was drinking and Mark told her she needed to get help and then he took the kids away so they'd be safe? As I previously stated, I know a man who did the exact same thing and it wasn't to punish her or to kidnap the kids, it was to make sure they weren't around their drunken mother.

 

[SCHMAE]

Wasn't one of those times when Elaine was drinking and Mark told her she needed to get help and then he took the kids away so they'd be safe? As I previously stated, I know a man who did the exact same thing and it wasn't to punish her or to kidnap the kids, it was to make sure they weren't around their drunken mother.

It is according to what MR said yes ! That is if you want to take his word as gospel and assume that he has a great grasp on when someone has had too much to drink !

 

[Tennlyn]

Wasn't one of those times when Elaine was drinking and Mark told her she needed to get help and then he took the kids away so they'd be safe? As I previously stated, I know a man who did the exact same thing and it wasn't to punish her or to kidnap the kids, it was to make sure they weren't around their drunken mother.

Yep, the man who drank half a bottle of Jim Beam to avoid taking a polygraph test alleged he took the kids because mom had a drinking problem. Sorry, but I don't see any reason to believe him. :moo:

 

[Seek&Find]

Wasn't one of those times when Elaine was drinking and Mark told her she needed to get help and then he took the kids away so they'd be safe?

SBM

Iirc, that's not what was said. It is ironic for a man who got drunk, had sex with a neighbor on the lawn, took a swing at his son, then got drunk prior to a poly he'd rescheduled for that morning, to try to call someone else out for drinking. If the statement from the beginning of the show had any credibility with anyone unfamiliar with the case, it's was annihilated by his Jim Beam/3 hours sleep/don't feel well enough double decline of the poly that morning, IMO.

IMO, Mark's made many dubious claims about other people. Anything he says at this point is suspect, IMO.

Moo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If a couple is married and one partner takes their children somewhere for a couple of days without the permission of the other one, is that really considered to be kidnapping? I'd think that would be dangerous any time a couple was having problems - you could be charged with kidnapping for going camping over the weekend if you didn't get something in writing from your spouse saying it was okay... MOO :waitasec:

The scenario that you described in this post could be the reason why Mark wasn't prosecuted for kidnapping. MOO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

If a couple is married and one partner takes their children somewhere for a couple of days without the permission of the other one, is that really considered to be kidnapping? I'd think that would be dangerous any time a couple was having problems - you could be charged with kidnapping for going camping over the weekend if you didn't get something in writing from your spouse saying it was okay... MOO :waitasec:

Prior to a divorce action and custody agreement, both parents have equal parenting rights in the eyes of the law. It is always a risk when a divorce is pending that one parent will take the children. It isn't considered kidnapping, but the parent who has custody of the children when a divorce is filed is often considered to have the upper hand, so to speak, as judges frown on moving a child from the present living environment unless there is evidence to the contrary. (I wish more people knew this)
That said, if the children have been removed from one of the parents, that parent can file for emergency relief charging parental interference as the courts do see that the children should have access to both parents.
Custody would then end up being a battle between the parents for the courts to determine the living arrangements that would be in the best interest of the child(ren).
IOW, don't let your spouse take your kids on a camping trip if you think there is any chance you may be getting a divorce in the near future. You might find them living with him permanently.

 

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Please note the father that was found guilty in my prev post/link was currently married and going through a divorce. There's much info about parental kidnapping, parental child abduction, custodial interference etc when googled.