CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #42

[Redux]

Or could he accidentally letting it slip that he's got an accomplice?

Good point.

 

[SuziQ]

"I remember one time he threw me down on the ground and started punching me in the face. Mark threatened to take the kids from me several times. There were police reports that had to be filed before he would return them. There was an incident in 1990 when Mark did not return the children, and I had to report it to the police department. I was petrified. I was deathly afraid that Mark was going to hide the kids …that he was going to take them and I was never going to see them again. I believe that Mark could do something to harm Dylan because he has a violent temper and snaps easily." Dr Phil 2

MR:
I never raised my hand to her and I never hit her with an open hand or a fist. Umm, you know… there were times when we got into pushing matches, and I recall a time that… she was standing in the door and wouldn’t let me leave through the door, and I physically removed her and threw her on the bed, so… these are all things that can be construed as being domestic violence.

Dr. Phil:
So do you suppose the police have they said there’s one, two, three instances of the children being in your control when the mothers didn’t know about it and the history of domestic violence… that they might say… you know, this guy might be a little volatile, so… we might … should take a good hard look at him.

MR:
And I have no problem with that.
Dr Phil 1

Cory said he is “100 percent” sure that Mark had something to do with Dylan’s disappearance.

But his suspicion’s also come from personal experience. He said that Mark kept him and Dylan from their mother, Elaine Redwine, twice. He and Dylan were kept in a cabin “for a week and a half and he kept us up there without any contact.”

“It was scary and you are afraid and angry,” he said. http://www.gazette.com/articles/missing-151587-brother-monument.html#ixzz2MeChb1br

"For the next two years, the couple went through divorce proceedings. In 2008, mom, Elaine Redwine, claimed she had a confrontation with her ex-husband Mark in the early hours of July 4. She wrote, "He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark."
http://www.9news.com/news/article/303598/42/Missing-boy-Dylan-Redwines-family-had-violent-history (more in video)

Mark Redwine was ticketed for child abuse, menacing, trespass, assault and disorderly conduct in 2003 in Adams County. All of the charges were dropped except disorderly conduct, which Mark Redwine pleaded guilty to. http://durangoherald.com/article/20...Police-reveal-no-new-leads&template=mobileart

Dr. Phil:
Did you or did you not take your sons Cory and Dylan without telling their mother on two occasions, once in 2003 and once in 2006, and if so, do you think that contributes to the police saying, well here’s once, twice three times that you’ve taken the children without her knowing it that that might cause them to think not that you might have harmed your son but that maybe you’ve spirited him away somewhere. Do you think that might cause them to be suspicious?

MR:
Well…absolutely….I mean… I can see where that might raise suspicions.Dr Phil 1

CR:
I think Mark has something to do with it. I think he’s either got him hidden out or done something and disposed…I think… I strongly think that he’s involved. BBM

"There has been two previous times where Mark has kidnapped me and Dylan. He took us to a ghetto hotel in Denver and in 2006 he took us to his boss’ house. Both those times I did feel like I was being kidnapped."


You know it’s been three months, I mean, Has your mind gone to the place that he may have killed your son?

ER:
Yes, it has.
(^ this group, see Dr Phil 2 Link)

And you believe that your ex husband may have done him harm?

ER:
I hope not, but yes, I do believe that that is a possibility.


ER:
I really don’t trust you, and I really have a concern that you hurt him and his bones are out there just laying… and you don’t even care. You don’t! Where’s your emotion?
(^^this group Dr Phil 1)

Missing Boy's Mother Suspects Ex-Husband in Son's Disappearance

IMO, it's very clear Mark has been violent, and that Cory and Elaine have obvious concerns that Mark may've harmed Dylan.

Moo

I've seen alot of back and forth regarding the semantics of LE calling/naming MR a suspect or POI.

I'll just say this about that. I read what you posted above and think, LE in this case would have to be completely inept not to have MR on the top of their suspect list. Since I don't believe LE is inept in this case, I'd bet money that MR is their number one suspect.

 

[SuziQ]

IMO, CR's original statements regarding his father not causing harm, is merely CR not wanting to belive that harm came to Dylan. We see this all the time in missing person cases. People will hang on to hope beyond reason. Then time and reality set in and now CR is being more honest by stating that in fact he does think MR caused Dylan harm.

 

[Redux]

My fear is that MR will either self destruct from his use of alcohol or will do something to himself purposefully in order to take his secrets to the grave and ultimately get the last dig at ER.

 

[missrugby]

My fear is that MR will either self destruct from his use of alcohol or will do something to himself purposefully in order to take his secrets to the grave and ultimately get the last dig at ER.

This is also my fear

 

[ColdHands]

I have a few questions and/or thoughts.

MR was asked on DP about violence and taking the kids. While he answered he brought up accusations of ER's drinking as one reason he had taken the kids. Unless it was cut, DP did not ask ER about a drinking problem nor did she respond. In my opinion, at that point DP made a mistake. Even though DP said he wasn't there to take sides this likely appeared to MR that DP was indeed taking sides. Why didn't DP ask ER about these allegations?

Then the phone call claims back and forth between MR/ER. We all know it can easily be proven by showing cell phone records. Many text messages have been provided in this case. To squash this argument, phone records could easily be shown. I'm not sure what the truth is here regarding the phone calls. It could easily be proven MR is lying, why not put it out there?

BBM:

It was so odd that Mark only mentioned 2005 which wasn't even one of the dates DP listed :waitasec:

I wish Dr Phil had asked if Mark thought he had any reason like that to take Dylan now. It might have help to substantiate Elaine/Cory's claim that Mark would take him.

Maybe Mark isn't lying about the texts.

 

[Salem]

Here is the thread for the tonight's interview: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200917"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

The door will remain locked until about 15 minutes before show time - so if it is getting close and the thread hasn't opened, please alert a mod.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[SuperMom1995]

IMO, speech and behaviors get interesting when compared to the subject's norms, and not our own or other strawman benchmarks. Which is why I asked if there was any evidence that Mark spoke like that before Dylan went missing. I'm looking for changes, pre- and post- Dylan's disappearance.

Compare the straight forward/direct way he talks about events that have been verified:

"I ran my errands". "I went to my office". "I went to my attorneys office". "Dylan and I went to Walmart".

The direct statements he uses with the pronoun "I" shows he knows how to speak that way when speaking the truth.

Now here are some examples of the rambling (indirect) way he speaks about other events surrounding Dylan's disappearance, he is saying happened but have not, or can't be, verified:

MB Interview question: Why do you think they are looking at you?

"Well, because I think that's a natural part of the process and because you know, he was last seen with me and he was with me the night before. And you know, I saw him in the morning before I left to go run my errands. You know, that's the logical place to start. And so, it doesn't at all surprise me, you know that they searched my home yesterday because quite frankly, I was expecting that to happen a week ago. So, you know my opinion is that we're all a week late and in where we're at with this. So my focus is what do we need to be doing now to keep searching for Dylan and bring him home."

And when asked about their plans for Thanksgiving this is the INDIRECT answer he gave:

"I just wanted him to be happy."
"So when he wanted to spend time with his friends, I had no problem with that. When he's with me, its me and him, with the exception of his friends. You know, I know those are important to him."

These statements are filled with rambling and present tense which tell me that is not they way things really happened. IMO :notgood:

 

[Salem]

Or could he accidentally letting it slip that he's got an accomplice?

I think this is a very good point. MR always says "we" - there is never any "me" or "I," it is aways "we" when he is talking about Dylan. I'm not sure if that is coaching from the child custody battle or what?

Salem

 

[La Louve]

Interesting. If there is a body in there ( i still hope to heck there is not) and it were an accident/ drowning , would it probably be floating and found in that first week? So the idea that is not found still today means it must not be 'floating ' so it is weighted? So sorry because now I'm remembering pages and pages of this very talk and at that time I guess I did not pay enough attention or it was long ago.

My fishing buddies joke that I am the only person they know who can make trout fishing a contact sport. I have tripped face first over birch saplings on riverbanks, slipped off a log crossing a stream, and once fell into a big tangle of rootballs and tree trunks so tall that I completely disappeared from view.

My point is that there's definitely things Dylan could have gotten caught on, or injured on if he was out fishing. In the summer months when the rivers are highest I could more easily envision a scenario where something like that happened, Dylan drowned, and his body hasn't surfaced. But in mid-November, not so much.

 

[Seek&Find]

Right. So a person should always remember to use expressions and pattens of speech that the person he/she is talking to won't perceive as odd or suspicious?? Is that what you're saying?? That he should drop his normal way of speaking?? Wouldn't that be even worse? People who know him or know the speech patterns of that area would think he was putting on an act for sure!!

I suggest rereading the post this was in response to, and the conversation preceding it. No one made the suggestions listed here.

Moo

 

[Redux]

I think this is a very good point. MR always says "we" - there is never any "me" or "I," it is aways "we" when he is talking about Dylan. I'm not sure if that is coaching from the child custody battle or what?

Salem

I tend to believe it's just his way of not taking responsibility for something that has happened to Dylan rather than learned speech or admission of an accomplice. A teenager gets caught smoking pot, they might say, "Well everyone does it" or "They were all doing it at the party"....it's a subtle way of lessening the shame/blame/focus on yourself and spreading it around a bit.

I will bet that if MR did something to Dylan and it is proven, he will find a way to blame DR or ER thereby taking some of the guilt off of himself - he'll say that Dylan got physical with him and he had to fight back or that ER had turned Dylan against him.

All just MOO.

 

[mmmagique]

I think this is a very good point. MR always says "we" - there is never any "me" or "I," it is aways "we" when he is talking about Dylan. I'm not sure if that is coaching from the child custody battle or what?

Salem

Sharing the blame. He doesn't want "the focus" to be on him, so "I" becomes "we".

 

[SCHMAE]

I tend to believe it's just his way of not taking responsibility for something that has happened to Dylan rather than learned speech or admission of an accomplice. A teenager gets smoking pot, they might say, "Well everyone does it" or "They were all doing it at the party"....it's a subtle way of lessening the shame/blame/focus on yourself and spreading it around a bit.

I will bet that if MR did something to Dylan and it is proven, he will find a way to blame DR or ER thereby taking some of the guilt off of himself - he'll say that Dylan got physical with him and he had to fight back or that ER had turned Dylan against him.

All just MOO.

Like ER didn't send him with a coat and he froze?

 

[rebeccaeee]

My fear is that MR will either self destruct from his use of alcohol or will do something to himself purposefully in order to take his secrets to the grave and ultimately get the last dig at ER.

I think he's enjoying Elaine's suffering a bit too much for this to happen.

 

[Redux]

Like ER didn't send him with a coat and he froze?

Bingo, bingo, and bingo!!!! I couldn't believe when he said that! And also that he points out that Dylan didn't have a coat, but then he pushes the idea that Dylan went off on a trek out in the cold.

My 12 year old son wears shorts here in freezing eastern PA all year round, but I don't think he'd start off on a 5 mile trek in shorts and no coat!

 

[rebeccaeee]

How many of you are losing sleep over this case?

How many of you think about this case all the time, even when nowhere near a computer?

Just trying to figure out how "normal" I am.

I've been on lots of other cases and none have gripped me like this one has or consumed me to the extent it has.

Since this is my first case, I have no standard to judge. I do hope I never fall into another one like I have fallen into this. Lots of dreams, none of them positive. Since I have young kids, I think Dylan's story stirs up some mama anxiety for me. I don't talk about it much at home (although since I had my husband watch Dr Phil he does ask me almost every day for updates). Mostly, the story catches me when I drop my son off to school in the morning, do his laundry, help with homework. I strongly identify with all moms at those moments and I feel such outrage that Elaine has been denied the mundane joys of life with her son. I have been quiet here and elsewhere on the net lately, nothing new to add, not much hope for Dylan, just waiting for spring. Always lurking and watching the happenings though. I do not know what I will do with all of the time and space in my brain once Dylan is found. I do hold out hope for that much- that he will be found. In the lake. In the spring.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Bingo, bingo, and bingo!!!! I couldn't believe when he said that! And also that he points out that Dylan didn't have a coat, but then he pushes the idea that Dylan went off on a trek out in the cold.

My 12 year old son wears shorts here in freezing eastern PA all year round, but I don't think he'd start off on a 5 mile trek in shorts and no coat!

5.9 mile trek...not 6 miles...not 5 miles...5.9 miles! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Sorry, Redux! I just couldn't resist!

 

[Redux]

I think he's enjoying Elaine's suffering a bit too much for this to happen.

I agree, but if he thinks police are closing in on him, he might think it's his only option to prolong Elaine's suffering, not knowing where Dylan is.

In regards to him self destructing with the alcohol, I think that is probably a much less likely option. Alcohol does amplify bad emotions and worsens depression. When I was drinking, a bad situation could seem hopeless only because of the effects of alcohol. But if MR isn't carrying the same emotions that one would expect an average (one without a pathology) person to have such as guilt, remorse, shame, etc then alcohol won't worsen them.

 

[Confusion]

My fear is that MR will either self destruct from his use of alcohol or will do something to himself purposefully in order to take his secrets to the grave and ultimately get the last dig at ER.

My fear is that MR had nothing to do with it, but all of the accusations and rumors will eventually set off the wrong person who will do something to him and everybody else will just consider the case solved. MOO

I think this is a very good point. MR always says "we" - there is never any "me" or "I," it is aways "we" when he is talking about Dylan. I'm not sure if that is coaching from the child custody battle or what?

The first few times he spoke, everybody was pointing out the fact that he always said I and accused him of only thinking of himself instead of Dylan. It was also said that Elaine used "we" as much as he used "I", but those same people said it was totally different. I'm thinking he read enough of those comments to make him decide to use "we" instead of "I" to get the focus off him. Obviously, that didn't work! MOO again.

Like ER didn't send him with a coat and he froze?

She interrupted him when he talked about him possibly doing something (can't remember what, maybe going to the bridge or rock wall?) and said something about it being November, which sounded like she thought it was too cold to do it. He responded to that by saying she hadn't sent a coat with him. I thought at the time that he was just saying that he thought that if she believed it was too cold to be doing things outdoors, then she would have sent a coat. I really am getting a complex when I see how often I perceive things differently than the majority. One more MOO~